What Black Lives Matter Believe

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You want to know my issue with that diagram? It assumes the person on the floor with the injured leg is black, and the person standing up with the healthy leg, is white.

In reality, there are also many white (and Asian and Latino etc.) people who ‘have an injured leg’. There are also many black people who ‘have a healthy leg’.

This way of thinking leads people to believe they should be helping certain people over others, based on their race. That’s actually racism. ‘Oh, I’ll help you because you’re black, but I won’t help you because you’re white and you probably don’t need any help’.

Does that sound Christian to you?

Why can’t we just help those who need it most? If in the USA those who need it most are black, then they will get the most help. We can help improve the areas with the most poverty and hardship? If those who live in those areas happen to mostly be black, then they will benefit from that help the most. That’s far better than saying ‘I am going to help you because of your skin color’.
 
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You want to know my issue with that diagram? It assumes the person on the floor with the injured leg is black, and the person standing up with the healthy leg, is white.
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Not at all. The cartoon is an analogy. The person with the broken leg is analogous to anyone who is in special need. The person refusing to go for help is analogous to anyone who is not in any special need.

The real objection to the applicability of this cartoon to Black Lives Matter is usually that the analogy does not apply because black people, as a group, are not especially in need. And indeed we have seen that very argument made many times. I do not personally subscribe to that argument.
 
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Unfortunately, we cannot read each others’ minds. That is exactly what I think is being affirmed.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Unfortunately, we cannot read each others’ minds. That is exactly what I think is being affirmed.
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disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics and a return to the “collective village” that takes care of each other.

Honestly i don’t know whether your innocence here is a good or bad thing lol or you are actively ignoring the ethos behind this group. Unfortunately it means nothing in common with what you think it means where you draw Comparisons perhaps even to Christian extended families, this can be understood if you read a LITTLE further down
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

Where it talks about rejecting the nuclear family in favor of the collective or communal which is actually a reference to Marx and the communal village which i highly recommend you read and later rejects traditional family values of a father and mother by supporting LBGTQI+ rights. It couldn’t be any clearer where they stand and also in case you didn’t know most Marxists would have called for some communal family/Village, it’s definition of course would not be the same as your own however perhaps it may be? Hahaha, jokes, i doubt it
 
Freddy said:
This is one of the more depressing threads of the last few months.
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Well i’d disagree, i feel this has been the most upbeat thread in years, and don’t put yourself down, your contribution has been nothing short of outstanding. I haven’t stopped laughing since your first post… lol jokes, mate, if we can’t laugh at ourselves then who can we laugh at

In all seriousness the point of this thread was to educate and prevent other Catholics from getting sucked into this group by bringing light to what they are. I feel this has been achieved successfully. My attempt wasn’t to antagonize but to prevent the tribalism and division that is occurring. Anyway i understand you don’t agree, fair enough, lets just agree to disagree respectfully 👍
 
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…lets just agree to disagree respectfully.
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I’m afraid that’s not possible.
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it is mate. Whatever your views on this i respect and genuinely believe they are good as are mine and truly wish you all the best. We just don’t agree on this but that doesn’t take away that we are brothers and sisters in Christ trying to figure what is True and Good which put into perspective is all that truly matters anyway. We all want the same thing. If this thread has caused you sadness then i’m sorry but that is not my intention
 
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Paddy1989 said:
we are brothers and sisters in Christ trying to figure what is True and Good which put into perspective is all that truly matters.
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👍 Well said Paddy1989, & I think this debate is highly charged with emotion & both sides (left & right) are applying confusing pressure to each other.

This is why we are seeing many other minority groups raise their voices along side BLM with slogans like

MUSLIM LIVES MATTER
INDIGENOUS LIVES MATTER
ROHINGYA LIVES MATTER
WHITE LIVES MATTER
KURDISH LIVES MATTER

I believe we are seeing the outcry of all humans who may feel oppressed by the sentiment of majority. This takes the focus away from the real issue of policing & how a system that is designed to serve & protect ALL lives, is heavy handed from time to time.
 
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Paddy1989:
we are brothers and sisters in Christ trying to figure what is True and Good which put into perspective is all that truly matters.
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👍 Well said Paddy1989, & I think this debate is highly charged with emotion & both sides (left & right) are applying confusing pressure to each other.

This is why we are seeing many other minority groups raise their voices along side BLM with slogans like

MUSLIM LIVES MATTER
INDIGENOUS LIVES MATTER
ROHINGYA LIVES MATTER
WHITE LIVES MATTER
KURDISH LIVES MATTER

I believe we are seeing the outcry of all humans who may feel oppressed by the sentiment of majority. This takes the focus away from the real issue of policing & how a system that is designed to serve & protect ALL lives, is heavy handed from time to time.
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Absolutely, i understand discussions can get heated sometimes and emotions fly but i hope no-one takes it personally and that we can all still treat each other with love and respect and be friends. Heated discussions take place through life all the time especially for us Catholics who all to often now have to defend our faith in light of the culture, as long as we still love each other and show it
 
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Here Jordan Peterson absolutely nails what is happening

 
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Paddy1989 said:
Here Jordan Peterson absolutely nails what is happening
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I’m really wondering how low the bar can be set in this thread. Millions of people are justifiably protesting against injustice against black people and you want to tie it in with some left wing conspiracy to ‘undermine western civilisation’.

It’s embarrasing.
 
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Paddy1989:
Here Jordan Peterson absolutely nails what is happening
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I’m really wondering how low the bar can be set in this thread. Millions of people are justifiably protesting against injustice against black people and you want to tie it in with some left wing conspiracy to ‘undermine western civilisation’.

It’s embarrasing.
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The only thing that would be embarrassing is the denial of it at this stage especially since it has crept into the mainstream left and identity politics is used as a weapon to make people comply. As for the protests and BLM, eventually when they keep campaigning for their policies people will probably be put off especially with advocating defunding the police and their Marxist agenda.
 
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Freddy:
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Paddy1989:
Here Jordan Peterson absolutely nails what is happening
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I’m really wondering how low the bar can be set in this thread. Millions of people are justifiably protesting against injustice against black people and you want to tie it in with some left wing conspiracy to ‘undermine western civilisation’.

It’s embarrasing.
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The only thing that would be embarrassing is the denial of it at this stage especially since it has crept into the mainstream left and identity politics is used as a weapon to make people comply. As for the protests and BLM, eventually when they keep campaigning for their policies people will probably be put off especially with advocating defunding the police and their Marxist agenda.
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What’s shameful is attempting to tie in what you consider to be left wing ideology with an honest, worldwide and cross political protest against institutionalised racism, thus denigrating and demeaning the protests as nothing more than some ideological struggle.

You have done nothing to separate the two, have actually spent all your time trying to conflate them and have even stated that you consider that there is no problem in the first place.
 
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Freddy:
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Paddy1989:
Here Jordan Peterson absolutely nails what is happening
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I’m really wondering how low the bar can be set in this thread. Millions of people are justifiably protesting against injustice against black people and you want to tie it in with some left wing conspiracy to ‘undermine western civilisation’.

It’s embarrasing.
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The only thing that would be embarrassing is the denial of it at this stage especially since it has crept into the mainstream left and identity politics is used as a weapon to make people comply. As for the protests and BLM, eventually when they keep campaigning for their policies people will probably be put off especially with advocating defunding the police and their Marxist agenda.
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What’s shameful is attempting to tie in what you consider to be left wing ideology with an honest, worldwide and cross political protest against institutionalised racism, thus denigrating and demeaning the protests as nothing more than some ideological struggle.

You have done nothing to separate the two, have actually spent all your time trying to conflate them and have even stated that you consider that there is no problem in the first place.
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For there to be institutional racism there needs to be proof? On the other hand there is plenty of evidence I and others provided where the left is using identity politics to cause this division. The left is trying to invent issues (racism, sexism) and dress itself up as the savior because it has failed at trying to address REAL issues.

Perhaps if they stopped trying to invent issues and address real economic and social issues they would get somewhere
 
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Paddy1989 said:
For there to be institutional racism there needs to be proof?

Perhaps if they stopped trying to invent issues…
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Your position that there is no problem is duly noted. The fact that you even consider the problem to have been invented is also noted.
 
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For there to be institutional racism there needs to be proof?

Perhaps if they stopped trying to invent issues…
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Your position that there is no problem is duly noted. The fact that you even consider the problem to have been invented is also noted.
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I’m glad, i hope you don’t forget next time😉
 
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