What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Paddy1989]

Poet:

People should NOT be shouting slogans if they are unaware of the POLICIES being promoted by the creators of that slogan.

I didn’t know until these threads started that there was an organisation called BLM. And even now I do know it exists I am not interested in what policies it has to bring about a change in the current depressing situation. I really don’t. Because I, like probably 99% of the people who are protesting are using the slogan ‘Black Lives Matter’ as a rallying cry for everyone who has taken the time and made the effort to make their dissatisfaction with the status quo heard.

This is exactly like denigrating people who marched to have Mandela freed because there was an organisation called Free Nelson Mandela which had policies that appeared to support communism. It’s exactly like denigrating people who marched against the Vietnam war because an organisation called Stop The War appeared to be Marxist. It’s like denigrating the black rights movement because someone set up a web site called We Shall See The Promised Land which appeared to be racist.

This is a shameful thread.

What a ridiculous post certainly lacking any understanding of the issues you mentioned. First off the anti-war movement was an umbrella of different groups, religions and ideologies that seeked to end the war in Vietnam, that solely was the unified Goal. BLM and it’s protests based on the ASSUMPTION that George Floyd Killing was racially motivated and are united in a series of goals to end that beginning with defunding the Police. These have been the policies of BLM for years, anyone at BLM protest is supporting BLM and it’s aims, ok guys i know some people here want to weasel out from that but stop assuming everyone else is too thick to see it.

Stop supporting the BLM and if you want to protest what you view to be institutional racism first of all don’t do so under the umbrella of a Marxist group but perhaps create an independent with different goals and aims consistent with Catholicism and second provide the FACTS and don’t run when your faced with facts that dispute what you say

 

[Godfollower]

What about unarmed white people who are targeted 2 times as likely as black or white people 2 times as likely to be killed in interracial homicide as black people? Tell me have you read any of the stats or are you going to remain in that shell and if so what do you gain from it especially when it leads to a more divisive society. Where does this tribalism get you? Your obviously not going to stop looking at the world though the prism of race, well ok then but be consistent? If stats show a disproportionate number that go against white people which i gave you then must also suspect racism, correct?

Well, here are some facts for you.

A Washington Post analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/) has found that black Americans are disproportionately affected by police violence. The data focuses specifically on police shootings and it mainly relies on police reports, news accounts and social media postings. Since the start of 2015, 4,728 people across the country have died in police shootings and approximately half - 2,385 - were white. Out of the remainder, 1,252 were black, 877 were Hispanic and 214 were from other racial groups. The data looks different as a share of the population, however. Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that’s over twice as high as for white Americans.

Source: • Chart: U.S. Police Shootings: Blacks Disproportionately Affected | Statista

In 2019 data of all police killings in the country (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/)compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death (Hate crime in the U.S. - Statistics & Facts | Statista).
Most states’ police forces killed black people at a higher rate per capita than white people, with Illinois, New York and Washington D.C. carrying some of the largest discrepancies by state. D.C., with a black population of nearly 50 percent, had 88 percent of all police killings be against black Americans – a discrepancy of over 38 percentage points. Rhode Island had the largest discrepancy of 44 points, albeit with a much smaller sample size of four police killings in 2019 – two of them being African American.

Source: • Chart: Black Americans 2.5X More Likely Than Whites to Be Killed By Police | Statista

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

I did post links to those articles

It’s just common courtesy to insert a link in, even if it’s more than one time. This is a thread of nearly 200 posts. Would you be willing to pay the courtesy of re-posting or directing me to the post number where you put in the links?

Because LeafByNiggle is the be all and end all of reason? Wiser than anyone here or anywhere?

No. S/he made a good point, and I chose to share it.

So we get to move ahead with our (bad) policies.

If you’d like a civil, educated discussion, even with disagreement, about how to reform the police, I’m all for it. The OP claimed a Marxist conspiracy due to a single organization that is not the mouthpiece for the entire movement. That’s another matter.

People should NOT be shouting slogans if they are unaware of the POLICIES being promoted by the creators of that slogan.

In other words, this creator: Meet the woman who coined #BlackLivesMatter

I think they’re aware of what they stand for.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

Common courtesy to insert a link? i’ve been inserting links and speakers in the last 100 posts repeating this over and over and over and over and over and over so there is no excuse for those to ignore it.

Anyway based on that link of stats i’ll put up AGAIN lets do the same as to what a few other people are doing on here and look at these stats through the prism of race. Based on this black people kill 2-2.5 times the number of white people than the other way around even though they only make up 13% of the population? How would you view those numbers? Of course there is other stats that make sense of that and one can see that the biggest preventable cause of death among young white people in the US is accidents while the preventable cause of death among young black people is homicide, looking at this bigger picture and you can then see why so many whites are also killed by blacks in proportion to the level of crime in these communities which in looking at this bigger picture is evidence that it’s certainly not racist.

You see white supremacists actually could use such stats to incite hate like those who are doing today with BLM, thankfully few would believe them but when you have a movement like BLM endorsed by Hollywood, celebrities and all the leftist media they have essentially made identity politics mainstream. Is this any different than how the LBGTQI+ has normalized itself into society? We know it’s based on a lie when you look at the evidence

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2016/nonhispanic-black/index.htm

Here Larry Elder again with stat after stat rubbishing the racist narrative and giving the bigger picture

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

What about unarmed white people who are targeted 2 times as likely as black or white people 2 times as likely to be killed in interracial homicide as black people? Tell me have you read any of the stats or are you going to remain in that shell and if so what do you gain from it especially when it leads to a more divisive society. Where does this tribalism get you? Your obviously not going to stop looking at the world though the prism of race, well ok then but be consistent? If stats show a disproportionate number that go against white people which i gave you then must also suspect racism, correct?

Well, here are some facts for you.

A Washington Post analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/) has found that black Americans are disproportionately affected by police violence. The data focuses specifically on police shootings and it mainly relies on police reports, news accounts and social media postings. Since the start of 2015, 4,728 people across the country have died in police shootings and approximately half - 2,385 - were white. Out of the remainder, 1,252 were black, 877 were Hispanic and 214 were from other racial groups. The data looks different as a share of the population, however. Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that’s over twice as high as for white Americans.

Source: • Chart: U.S. Police Shootings: Blacks Disproportionately Affected | Statista

In 2019 data of all police killings in the country (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/)compiled by Mapping Police Violence, black Americans were nearly three times more likely to die from police than white Americans. Other statistics showed that black Americans were nearly one-and-a-half times more likely to be unarmed before their death (Hate crime in the U.S. - Statistics & Facts | Statista).
Most states’ police forces killed black people at a higher rate per capita than white people, with Illinois, New York and Washington D.C. carrying some of the largest discrepancies by state. D.C., with a black population of nearly 50 percent, had 88 percent of all police killings be against black Americans – a discrepancy of over 38 percentage points. Rhode Island had the largest discrepancy of 44 points, albeit with a much smaller sample size of four police killings in 2019 – two of them being African American.

Source: • Chart: Black Americans 2.5X More Likely Than Whites to Be Killed By Police | Statista

Look at the post above

 

[Freddy]

Stop supporting the BLM and if you want to protest what you view to be institutional racism first of all don’t do so under the umbrella of a Marxist group but perhaps create an independent with different goals and aims consistent with Catholicism…

I guess no-one told Romney he was supporting Marxism when he was out protesting with a Christian group.

'Mitt Romney shared on Twitter a photograph of himself marching among the crowd, with the caption “Black Lives Matter.” ’ ‘Black Lives Matter,’ Tweets Mitt Romney as He Joins a Protest March in Washington | Vogue

And here’s a link where you can tell him he was wasting his time because there actually is no problem: Contact Senator Romney | Senator Mitt Romney

Let us know what he thinks of you and your views if you could.

 

[Paddy1989]

Another thing, why do people assume the killing of George Floyd was the cause of a racially motivated attack??? Could it just not have been police brutality which should be condemned no doubt but would make BLM and their entire goals irrelevant? If we really care and want to help these communities we need to work out what is the biggest issues affecting them are which we know is crime and poverty and try and come up with solutions. The solution as we Catholics know is simple, a return to Christ and his teachings as to being the center of peoples lives. Everything else flows from that. Not some Marxist political movement with an agenda that only ever compounds these issues and then uses identity politics to distract these communities from these leaders failures.

Lets not forget an election is coming up soon and how convenient for all this to happen now when the democrat party were struggling, watch how those politicians react because i can assure you those jumping on this issue don’t care about it, they are jumping on it for more votes. Lets not forget these communities that have been getting worse have been top to bottom democrat for years

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Stop supporting the BLM and if you want to protest what you view to be institutional racism first of all don’t do so under the umbrella of a Marxist group but perhaps create an independent with different goals and aims consistent with Catholicism…

I guess no-one told Romney he was supporting Marxism when he was out protesting with a Christian group.

'Mitt Romney shared on Twitter a photograph of himself marching among the crowd, with the caption “Black Lives Matter.” ’ ‘Black Lives Matter,’ Tweets Mitt Romney as He Joins a Protest March in Washington | Vogue

And here’s a link where you can tell him he was wasting his time because there actually is no problem: Contact Senator Romney | Senator Mitt Romney

Let us know what he thinks of you and your views if you could.

If he’s supporting BLM he is supporting what they stand for passively or actively by being there, it’s that simple

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

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Let us know what he thinks of you and your views if you could.

If he’s supporting BLM he is supporting what they stand for passively or actively by being there, it’s that simple

Well I’ve sent him an email telling him what you think. That he’s a dupe supporting a far left wing Marxist conspiracy. When he was thinking he was supporting institutional changes to help black Americans. I’m sure he’ll be impressed with your insight and I’ll be sure to pass on any comment he might have.

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Freddy:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/11/ferguson-effect-study-72-us-cops-reluctant-make-stops/96446504/[/URL]

 

[Freddy]

Also what do you think are the biggest problems these communities face and why?

You think they are facing problems? Hey, well done.

Have you seen some of the proposals for solving them? More money being spent on communities. Better mental health services. More money for health and housing and education. They all seem worthy aims.

Now you realise there is a problem, how do you think they can be solved?

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Also what do you think are the biggest problems these communities face and why?

You think they are facing problems? Hey, well done.

Have you seen some of the proposals for solving them? More money being spent on communities. Better mental health services. More money for health and housing and education. They all seem worthy aims.

Now you realise there is a problem, how do you think they can be solved?

There certainly is a problem within these communities and i’ve already discussed it, it is largely down to the breakdown of the family, the reliance on the welfare state and absent fathers. Is their a racist narrative in that? Of course not but BLM and other leftists want to invent one to make out that the problems these communities face is because of white privilege and not because of the reduction of Christ and his teachings and leftist policies that have worsened these communities.

Barack Obama even mentioned this in his speech
“More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children.”

“children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Paddy1989:

Also what do you think are the biggest problems these communities face and why?

You think they are facing problems? Hey, well done.

Have you seen some of the proposals for solving them? More money being spent on communities. Better mental health services. More money for health and housing and education. They all seem worthy aims.

Now you realise there is a problem, how do you think they can be solved?

There certainly is a problem within these communities and i’ve already discussed it, it is largely down to the breakdown of the family, the reliance on the welfare state and absent fathers.

So what practical solutions can we come up with to solve these problems? Do you think that better housing and education will help? Better health services? More being spend on practical solutions rather than deal with the results of the problems?

What do you think?

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Freddy:

Paddy1989:

Also what do you think are the biggest problems these communities face and why?

You think they are facing problems? Hey, well done.

Have you seen some of the proposals for solving them? More money being spent on communities. Better mental health services. More money for health and housing and education. They all seem worthy aims.

Now you realise there is a problem, how do you think they can be solved?

There certainly is a problem within these communities and i’ve already discussed it, it is largely down to the breakdown of the family, the reliance on the welfare state and absent fathers.

So what practical solutions can we come up with to solve these problems? Do you think that better housing and education will help? Better health services? More being spend on practical solutions rather than deal with the results of the problems?

What do you think?

The solution is actually simpler than we think. A return to Christ and his teachings. Everything else flows from that politically, socially and economically.

I remember watching Bishop Fulton Sheen over the years and still do on occasion and he was able to predict the social crisis that would result from embracing Marxism and moral relativism, well we are experiencing it. Pumping money into services, even having a bigger police force is putting a band aid on a growing problem. Society needs to return to the Christian roots it was built upon.

You see so many don’t see how much one’s worldview affects EVERYTHING from how we live, treat each other, how we interpret beauty, art, reality itself. People today think ones workdview whether that be Naturalism, Christianity, Islam is just a private thing secondary to the system, wrong, the worldview determines what the system looks like and how it functions. This is why typically in the west after Christianity became the ethos of western civilization towns, villages and cities typically built Church’s at the center and everything else around it.

The wrong thing to do is listen to the very ideologies and political parties that compound this issue. All of the world’s problems could be solved by following God to the best of our ability as the Saints. These communities as all of the US and Western Society need to return to Christ, that is the solution, it always is. Social services, policing, education etc are secondary in that once you have established the driving ethos then these things will follow

 

[Freddy]

The solution is actually simpler than we think. A return to Christ and his teachings. Everything else flows from that politically, socially and economically.

Well I guess you can help there by getting involved with bringing the church into the communities. What’s the best way to do that? Can you do that personally?

And becoming more Christian might help but if the educational and health and housing situation is a problem then we need to look at those. I think we should be investigating and improving each of those. There are many people on both side of the political divide that would see this as being a priority.

So as well as spiritual guidance can you appreciate the need for improved living conditions as well?

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

The solution is actually simpler than we think. A return to Christ and his teachings. Everything else flows from that politically, socially and economically.

Well I guess you can help there by getting involved with bringing the church into the communities. What’s the best way to do that? Can you do that personally?

And becoming more Christian might help but if the educational and health and housing situation is a problem then we need to look at those. I think we should be investigating and improving each of those. There are many people on both side of the political divide that would see this as being a priority.

So as well as spiritual guidance can you appreciate the need for improved living conditions as well?

What is the best way we can do that? Well for a start we are doing it right now having this discussion, we on a forum that can reach EVERY community in the world that has access to the internet. We can convince others of the Truth of Christianity through evangelization.

Also you talk about education, health and housing. By families just sticking together they solve that issue almost entirely, for example they would be 5 times less likely to be impoverished (health), 9 times more likely to stay on in school (education) and 20 times less likely to end up in prison (crime). That is without spending a single cent. None of the trillions of dollars is needed, in fact it would actually save society money as then you wouldn’t have single parent families reliant on the welfare state.

Do you see, everything else follows when following Christ, the economical, social and political conditions change drastically with it. We can then build up from that

 

[Polak]

I’m really wondering how low the bar can be set in this thread. Millions of people are justifiably protesting against injustice against black people

You know what’s really embarrassing? It’s embarrassing that so many people (around the world) are protesting against something that is a proven lie, and that is, that the police in the US are disproportionately killing black people. Look at the official stats, it isn’t true.

 

[MarkRome]

Yep. And the problem is that you cannot argue that you believe black lives matter yet point out that you are against Black Lives Matter the organization without being accused of racism. It is very sinister.

 

[Freddy]

Do you see, everything else follows when following Christ, the economical, social and political conditions change drastically with it

I think that you believe that the problems are causing the conditions. That is, if people started developing stable relationships and treating each other well and rejecting crime and drugs for example (which are not necessarily Christian ideals but generally accepted as being good for a stable society whatever one’s religion, or lack of it), then health centres and better schools and increased help for mental health and more support for low income and single parent familes would automatically emerge. From somewhere. Somehow.

Whereas it can be reasonable argued that if you put people into a situation where housing is barely sub standard and health centres are limited and schools have too many pupils and are underfunded and there is little community help for those in need, then problems will therefore arise.

It can be reasonable argued that improving the conditions will improve the outlook of the people living in those conditions. And also reasonably argued that not enough consideration is being given to these people and that limited resources are being allocated to help them.

To suggest that it’s all going to be solved by evangelisation is not a practical solution at this point. A worthy endeavour no doubt. But far from a solution to the hard core problems we see.

I don’t want you to view this as me bashing the Catholic religion, but if you think that evangelisation would work then we need to note that almost 50% of Catholics have no problem with abortion. That 22% of women in the US call themselves Catholic but 24% of all abortions are carried out on Catholics (Catholics are just as likely to get an abortion as other U.S. women. Why? | America Magazine). A third of Catholics have been divorced. A vast majority of Catholic women have used or are using contraceptives.

Now if the church’s teachings don’t work on a significant proportion of Catholics themselves then I wouldn’t hold out much hope for it to have any success whatsoever in urban ghettoes.

But I get the feeling that this is your only solution. I appreciate that you now see that there are problems to be fixed. And maybe you can see why so many people are protesting the conditions under which so many Americans live. It isn’t just a protest about police brutality. That was the catalyst. And it’s not some left wing Marxist plot. Apart from a tiny percentage of people who are using this situation for self serving reasons, almost everyone, in countries across the world, have taken the killing of one man as a symbol that change is needed.

 

[Paddy1989]

Yep. And the problem is that you cannot argue that you believe black lives matter yet point out that you are against Black Lives Matter the organization without being accused of racism. It is very sinister.

Exactly and thats the how many of the left work today, those that disagree aren’t even listened to, they are labelled as racist because well, who would stand against black lives matter apart from racists right? It means they are able to control the narrative without fear of it being challenged with clear and factual logic.

For example there are plenty of black people talking against this narrative and i’ve heard things from white people by the way that claim they aren’t really black and are pretending to be white. Even Joe Biden even claimed if you vote for Trump over him then you aren’t black. It’s lunacy. These people live in a bubble. My only fear is they tear down that Rocky statue for being Racist for beating up two black lads

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JUSTICE FOR ROCKY

 

[Freddy]

Yep. And the problem is that you cannot argue that you believe black lives matter yet point out that you are against Black Lives Matter the organization without being accused of racism. It is very sinister.

I see quite a few people trying to explain the difference in supporting an organisation and supporting the protesters. But I’ve seen no-one who decries the organisation being called racist. Can you point that out for me?

MarkRome:

Yep. And the problem is that you cannot argue that you believe black lives matter yet point out that you are against Black Lives Matter the organization without being accused of racism. It is very sinister.

Exactly and thats the how many of the left work today…

Again, can you point out an example of this?