What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Paddy1989]

I guess it is not vogue to say it any more, but far more black lives will be lost to the virus than to criminal police behavior. These demonstrations can only increase the spread of the virus. While they are out door, you still have people with heavy breathing and coughing when gas is deployed.

Black people are more susceptible to the virus.

But hey as long as we share a viral video and put a black heart beside it thats all that matters because in the end who really cares about black lives with Covid-19 when one can get more likes on instagram and FB over a trendier issue, that is the mindset of many behind this on social media. Virtue signalling

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Nothing wrong with seeing people for language, religion, gender, income, & heritage; as long as it’s not used for hate.

Yes this was exactly my point, to be inclusive of ALL

Depends on what you mean by “inclusive.” If you mean treat everyone with human dignity, I agree.

If you mean Catholics should be forced to treat all religions as equal, or pretend sin is good; then I object.

 

[phil19034]

If you mean an EXTREME Marxist, I agree, as their are many people with LEFTIST views that are NOT extreme at all.

To say that everyone with a leftist view is an EXTREME Marxist, is the same as saying that everyone with a religious view is an EXTREME apologist. Both views are incorrect.

I didn’t say that everyone with LEFTIST views are Marxists.

I said Marxists are extreme because Marxism is inherently evil, per the Catholic Church.

 

[EssentialBeing]

treat everyone with human dignity,

Absolutely agree

If you mean Catholics should be forced to treat all religions as equal, then I object

Also agree

 

[EssentialBeing]

I didn’t say that everyone with LEFTIST views are Marxists, I said Marxists are extreme because Marxism is inherently evil, per the Catholic Church.

A thorough study of the MARXIST ideology would show that the view is appealing to the EXTREME left. In comparison the SMITHIST ideology is appealing to the EXTREME right.

I agree that the extreme of anything is more often than not, very bad. As with both ideologies their are moderates that sit in the middle & indeed slightly leaning one way or the other.

 

[Godfollower]

I’m stunned at the misinformation being put forth on this thread. Black men in the United States are ~2.5 times more likely to be killed in their lifetime than are white men (96 per 100,000 as opposed to 39 per 100,000). Claiming that white men are more at risk of being killed by police use of force than are black men is simply untrue.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

And, in any event, anyone bothering to look into the issue knows that “Black lives matter” is a phrase addressing the fact that, for many in America, black lives simply don’t matter. It isn’t anti-white; it’s just saying that hey, blacks would like to live, too.

The refrain I saw above (“ ‘Black lives matter’ should be consolidated to ‘all lives matter’ “) is appallingly ignorant. If your house were on fire and the fire department showed up and started pouring water on every house on the block, saying “all houses matter,” you’d be (rightfully) really upset. You would expect them to focus on the house that’s actually on fire. Well, Black America’s house is on fire, and they’re yelling “Help put out the fire!” And you’re running around saying “I have a house, too.”

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

 

[Paddy1989]

I’m stunned at the misinformation being put forth on this thread. Black men in the United States are ~2.5 times more likely to be killed in their lifetime than are white men (96 per 100,000 as opposed to 39 per 100,000). Claiming that white men are more at risk of being killed by police use of force than are black men is simply untrue.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

And, in any event, anyone bothering to look into the issue knows that “Black lives matter” is a phrase addressing the fact that, for many in America, black lives simply don’t matter. It isn’t anti-white; it’s just saying that hey, blacks would like to live, too.

The refrain I saw above (“ ‘Black lives matter’ should be consolidated to ‘all lives matter’ “) is appallingly ignorant. If your house were on fire and the fire department showed up and started pouring water on every house on the block, saying “all houses matter,” you’d be (rightfully) really upset. You would expect them to focus on the house that’s actually on fire. Well, Black America’s house is on fire, and they’re yelling “Help put out the fire!” And you’re running around saying “I have a house, too.”

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

I think all your points if you scroll though the thread have been addressed, the BLM narrative has been rubbished. Those stats tell us nothing about racism. All that is happening at the moment mere months away with election is the left is creating an issue people can get behind to keep the very people who are hurting these communities in power by blaming it’s problems on the someone else

 

[EssentialBeing]

The refrain I saw above (“ ‘Black lives matter’ should be consolidated to ‘all lives matter’ “) is appallingly ignorant.

You may have missed the context which was:

The figures do show that minority groups have it much worse & this is also reflected in figures from around the world. Perhaps the racist debate gets immediate attention because the minorities suffer in greater proportion to the majorities.

With the main argument being

society is too quick to attribute this issue to racism.

The point is that ALL DEATHS IN CUSTODY are a tragedy, no matter the color, language or religion

 

[esieffe]

But hey as long as we share a viral video and put a black heart beside it thats all that matters because in the end who really cares about black lives with Covid-19 when one can get more likes on instagram and FB over a trendier issue, that is the mindset of many behind this on social media. Virtue signalling

As a sidebar… I am SO glad my generation missed that boat. Our social media was in the form of passing a written note, and hoping the teacher didn’t see it.

 

[Victoria33]

Larry Elder, a font of information, check his twitter. He’s always posting stuff.

.017% of black males murdered are murdered by police. That would be something like 1 in 10,000. At the same time, 94% of black males murdered are murdered by other black males.

Half of all black babies are aborted, yet, total blank looks and of course, abortion and Planned Parenthood are big deals with the Democrats. Inhumane.

One African American twitterer is starting a movement, “All Black Lives Matter”, versus what we see, politicization of some.

 

[Freddy]

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

Thankfully you, and others like you, are in a significant majority on this forum. Excellent post.

 

[Paddy1989]

Godfollower:

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

Thankfully you, and others like you, are in a significant majority on this forum. Excellent post.

lol The way they were battered on this forum for trying to find some way to defend an anti catholic Marxist organisation and it’s racist narrative, i don’t think so lol. Just so you don’t forget this is a Catholic forum. Most people believe in the family unit and Christian family values

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I dont mind protesters, but they shoud self isolate afterwards and get tested

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Godfollower:

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

Thankfully you, and others like you, are in a significant majority on this forum. Excellent post.

lol The way they were battered around on this forum trying to find some way to defend an anti catholic Marxist organisation and it’s racist narrative, i don’t think so lol. Just so you don’t forget this is a Catholic forum. Most people believe in the family unit and family values

You’ve made your position abundantly clear, Paddy. You aren’t representative of the Catholics on this forum. And that is to the credit of almost all that post here.

 

[esieffe]

Specifically how is BLM advancing a “Marxist agenda?” On the contrary, it sounds like they’re trying the opposite - i.e. reduce Big Government over-spendin

At the very least, that is who is funding them. BLM is a social movement with a just cause, but I think it is pretty plain that they are being used as a proxy by the ultra left. Eventually people will start to pick up on that.

 

[Paddy1989]

I dont mind protesters, but they shoud self isolate afterwards and get tested

I agree everyone should have the right to peaceful protest as long as it’s within lock-down restrictions. What is happening at the moment is one rule for these protesters to protest loot and riot and another for businesses and Church’s.

Meanwhile we even have members claiming to be Catholic supporting these protests and BLM while perfectly happy to be locked out of their Church’s. I think that tells me where their priorities are

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

Half of all black babies are aborted, yet, total blank looks and of course, abortion and Planned Parenthood are big deals with the Democrats. Inhumane.

Again the abortion issue, Trump is also an abortion supporter. Its not just the Democrats.

Trump supports abortion for rape and incest conceived babies.

@Paddy1989 There has to be a seperation in the discussion between peaceful protestors and those running amok. There are people on this forum who have joined peaceful protests but have not run amok

 

[Paddy1989]

Paddy1989:

Freddy:

Godfollower:

Anyone who has paid any attention to the BLM protests knows that what they’re really saying is “Black lives matter too“ — They’re reminding the world that they matter because they’re treated as if they don’t.

The Christian response is to respond to them with love and understanding and to try to do something about the wrongs they’re experiencing.

Thankfully you, and others like you, are in a significant majority on this forum. Excellent post.

lol The way they were battered around on this forum trying to find some way to defend an anti catholic Marxist organisation and it’s racist narrative, i don’t think so lol. Just so you don’t forget this is a Catholic forum. Most people believe in the family unit and family values

You’ve made your position abundantly clear, Paddy. You aren’t representative of the Catholics on this forum. And that is to the credit of almost all that post here.

I never claimed i was but you give the false impression that most people on this forum support BLM which certainly isn’t the case. Your claim of that even reeked of insecurity

 

[Paddy1989]

Victoria33:

Half of all black babies are aborted, yet, total blank looks and of course, abortion and Planned Parenthood are big deals with the Democrats. Inhumane.

Again the abortion issue, Trump is also an abortion supporter. Its not just the Democrats.

Trump supports abortion for rape and incest conceived babies.

@Paddy1989 There has to be a seperation in the discussion between peaceful protestors and those running amok. There are people on this forum who have joined peaceful protests but have not run amok

True though i feel the protests have been overshadowed by this especially as the protests shouldn’t even be happening in the first place with Covid-19 unless Covid-19 was over exaggerated and the fear created was a lie

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

True though i feel the protests have been overshadowed by this especially as the protests shouldn’t even be happening in the first place with Covid-19

Report the facts, separate the myth.
Covid overshadows everything and If these goings on, both the running amok and the peaceful protests dont see an exponential increase in cases, then that anomoly needs exploring and could aide in defeating the virus.