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puer.dei
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This is called being outraged by public murder committed by a police officer.
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LeafByNiggle
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Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
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Paddy1989
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The virtue signalling is based on the narrative created, not the criminal act thus why BLM is gaining momentum and what it’s pushing forPaddy1989:
This is called being outraged by public murder committed by a police officer.
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Paddy1989
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Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black man also revealed that police officers got away with it 99% of the time across the boardPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
LeafByNiggle
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Not as a proportion of their population.LeafByNiggle:
Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black manPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
And when the victim is black they get away with it 99.9% of the time.
Also I think it is disingenuous to label the outrage people feel as “virtue signaling.” It is my experience that such people are very sincerely disgusted.
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Paddy1989
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I think the problem seems to be that due to the conflicting past of the black community and institutional racism in the police there is great suspicion today within the Black community still remaining of the police and so when brutality is carried out against them they are more susceptible to the assumption that it’s racism. Even as the brutality is right across the board
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Paddy1989
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It’s virtue signalling in light of Covid-19 and i don’t want to have to repeat why, i’m sure you know why.Paddy1989:
Not as a proportion of their population.LeafByNiggle:
Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black manPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
And when the victim is black they get away with it 99.9% of the time.
Also I think it is disingenuous to label the outrage people feel as “virtue signaling.” It is my experience that such people are very sincerely disgusted.
it’s virtue signalling because the vast majority of people only care about this issue on social media because it’s trendy and popular and so siding with a group and movement they have no idea about is the in thing to do and makes them look good.
It’s virtue signalling because it says look at me, i care, look at me posing with a BLM poster while just last week they were telling everyone to stay indoors and calling out Trump and the anti-lockdown protesters as crazies disregarding human life.
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Paddy1989
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See i have a problem with this and again i believe it’s because you are looking through the prism of race, many ultra left feminists have tried to do the same about the the wage gap even though a more thorough investigation show it being due to sexism is rubbish. Why are you assuming that it’s because of racism? Could there be other factors, the crime rate, the weaponry used in these areas etc? Also do we know that the police officers doing this are mostly white and if not that disputes it being racism doesn’t it?Paddy1989:
Not as a proportion of their population.LeafByNiggle:
Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black manPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
And when the victim is black they get away with it 99.9% of the time.
Also I think it is disingenuous to label the outrage people feel as “virtue signaling.” It is my experience that such people are very sincerely disgusted.
LeafByNiggle
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I have often felt tempted to say that same thing about people who always post about how awful abortion is, but I have not because I do not presume to judge the sincerity of their outrage. You would be well advised to do the same.LeafByNiggle:
It’s virtue signalling in light of Covid-19 and i don’t want to have to repeat why, i’m sure you know why.Paddy1989:
Not as a proportion of their population.LeafByNiggle:
Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black manPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
And when the victim is black they get away with it 99.9% of the time.
Also I think it is disingenuous to label the outrage people feel as “virtue signaling.” It is my experience that such people are very sincerely disgusted.
it’s virtue signalling because the vast majority of people only care about this issue on social media because it’s trendy and popular and so siding with a group and movement they have no idea about is the in thing to do and makes them look good.
It’s virtue signalling because it says look at me, i care, look at me posing with a BLM poster while just last week they were telling everyone to stay indoors and calling out Trump and the anti-lockdown protesters as crazies disregarding human life.
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Paddy1989
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I don’t judge the sincerity of their outrage, i judge the sincerity of their compassion and that my friend is clear to see. We should be calling for genuine compassion to actually HELP these communities not turn these issues into a political stick to advance a Marxist agendaPaddy1989:
I have often felt tempted to say that same thing about people who always post about how awful abortion is, but I have not because I do not presume to judge the sincerity of their outrage. You would be well advised to do the same.LeafByNiggle:
It’s virtue signalling in light of Covid-19 and i don’t want to have to repeat why, i’m sure you know why.Paddy1989:
Not as a proportion of their population.LeafByNiggle:
Actually no, the stats i put up showing that an unarmed white man is more likely to killed than an unarmed black manPaddy1989:
Because when an unarmed white man dies at the hand of police, those officers are charged IMMEDIATELY, and if not, something is definitely said.
And when the victim is black they get away with it 99.9% of the time.
Also I think it is disingenuous to label the outrage people feel as “virtue signaling.” It is my experience that such people are very sincerely disgusted.
it’s virtue signalling because the vast majority of people only care about this issue on social media because it’s trendy and popular and so siding with a group and movement they have no idea about is the in thing to do and makes them look good.
It’s virtue signalling because it says look at me, i care, look at me posing with a BLM poster while just last week they were telling everyone to stay indoors and calling out Trump and the anti-lockdown protesters as crazies disregarding human life.
blackforest
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You’re moving the goalpost. At first, you were trying to tie all members of the movement to Marxism and the break-up of the nuclear family. Are you still trying to defend this position?
As for defunding the police, have you read up on exactly what the means?
blackforest
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Specifically how is BLM advancing a “Marxist agenda?” On the contrary, it sounds like they’re trying the opposite - i.e. reduce Big Government over-spending.
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Erikaspirit16
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Police killings are so common that we all just move on to the next one. Let me take you back four (?) years. Minneapolis–again. Woman (white–Australian, actually) calls 911 twice to report woman screaming. Patrol car arrives. Woman goes out in her bathrobe to tell the police what she’s heard. She goes around to the passenger side. Policeman on that side (Somali, black) instantly shoots her in the chest and she dies 20 minutes later. It took eight months to charge him. He’s now serving 12 ½ years in jail. There are a lot of these, some black, some white. The problem is that it’s not proportionate–if there are 12% black people, you would think about 12% of the police killings are black people. But it’s 2 ½-3 times that. That indicates a problem, probably multiple problems. And I think any reasonable person would ask “What on earth is going on in the Minneapolis police dept.?” They seem to keep people on their police force that have no business being there. The Somali policeman had been on the force 21 months and had already racked up 3 formal complaints–including putting his gun to the head to the driver during a minor traffic stop. And a woman was suing him for assault while on duty. And yet he continued to have a badge and a gun. That’s just crazy. The guy who killed George Floyd had 18 (!) complaints against him. And now San Francisco is being “innovative” because they say they’re not going to hire policemen from other jurisdictions who have been fired from other police forces. Why is that innovative? Isn’t it common sense? Would you hire a guy who just got fired for embezzling money to take care of your finances? What rational person would do that?
LeafByNiggle
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I do not presume to do that - either for people protesting the death of George Floyd, or for the people who protest abortion. You would be wise to do the same.
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Paddy1989
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No i’m not moving the goalpost, as you aren’t able to dispute this group being Marxist now your trying some other way justify your support for which i’ve now gotten into debating which is why we have moved. The main issue of this thread is that BLM is a Marxist organisation that actually stands against Catholic teaching.Paddy1989:
You’re moving the goalpost. At first, you were trying to tie all members of the movement to Marxism and the break-up of the nuclear family. Are you still trying to defend this position?
As for defunding the police, have you read up on exactly what the means?
Also i have read up on what defunding the police actually means and the type of people campaigning for it. It should have little support here
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Paddy1989
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Ok well i advise you to read the links in my first post detailing their agendaPaddy1989:
Specifically how is BLM advancing a “Marxist agenda?” On the contrary, it sounds like they’re trying the opposite - i.e. reduce Big Government over-spending.
LeafByNiggle
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As I pointed out before, most of the people who subscribe to the principle of Black Lives Matter are not members of any such organization or website. Their “agenda” cannot be detailed. Most of them don’t even know there is a website with an agenda.blackforest:
Ok well i advise you to read the links in my first post detailing their agendaPaddy1989:
Specifically how is BLM advancing a “Marxist agenda?” On the contrary, it sounds like they’re trying the opposite - i.e. reduce Big Government over-spending.
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Paddy1989
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I would say for those jumping on board because this is a trendy issue yes you would be correct. However there will be an increasing number of people now starting to become active and want to find out what they are about susceptible to this indoctrinationPaddy1989:
As I pointed out before, most of the people who subscribe to the principle of Black Lives Matter are not members of any such organization or website. Their “agenda” cannot be detailed. Most of them don’t even know there is a website with an agenda.blackforest:
Ok well i advise you to read the links in my first post detailing their agendaPaddy1989:
Specifically how is BLM advancing a “Marxist agenda?” On the contrary, it sounds like they’re trying the opposite - i.e. reduce Big Government over-spending.
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Paddy1989
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I feel the reason why the Left want to defund the Police is because they fail to see that the social problems in society has arose out of their cultural and political policies that have led to the breakdown of the family and reduction of God in society, they believe foolishly that merely getting some more money from the police cuts will help things. The problem with that is that it’s false, their communities which have received trillions over the last few decades have more social problems now than before Civil rights when the KKK were hunting them down.
Civil Right veteran leaders such as Bob woodson now works in trying to help people from the bottom up who has already exposed the left and it’s assessment as lies. That it’s made things worse. That only through God,Christian values and self responsibility can these communities grow and thrive.
Civil Right veteran leaders such as Bob woodson now works in trying to help people from the bottom up who has already exposed the left and it’s assessment as lies. That it’s made things worse. That only through God,Christian values and self responsibility can these communities grow and thrive.
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Wendy1989
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Frankly, when I read the BLM agenda, I thought it was more like Jim Jones and Guyana or the Black Panthers. The goal is to rid the world of white supremacy and promote ‘blackness’. Hmm. Okay.
The biggest threat to Marxism is the family: Mom + Dad = children and being raised in one household kind of like the Holy Family. BLM wants to get rid of that. Says so on their website. Not once did I see the word ‘father’ listed. Only female and neutered roles.
As far as reducing Big Government over=spending: Most police forces in the US are funded through local property taxes and state grants. Most state constitutions require incorporated cities over a certain size to establish a police force of some sort. Big Government refers to federal funds .
Here’s a caveat on the defunding the police: property insurance rates will skyrocket. You won’t be able to afford renters or homeowners insurance, so you’ll do without the insurance protection if you have a fire, robbed or lose you home to a disaster. The ability to afford a home will be greatly reduced.
These are just a couple quick thought but the ‘new way’ of policing sounds like a dystopian sci-fi story.
The biggest threat to Marxism is the family: Mom + Dad = children and being raised in one household kind of like the Holy Family. BLM wants to get rid of that. Says so on their website. Not once did I see the word ‘father’ listed. Only female and neutered roles.
As far as reducing Big Government over=spending: Most police forces in the US are funded through local property taxes and state grants. Most state constitutions require incorporated cities over a certain size to establish a police force of some sort. Big Government refers to federal funds .
Here’s a caveat on the defunding the police: property insurance rates will skyrocket. You won’t be able to afford renters or homeowners insurance, so you’ll do without the insurance protection if you have a fire, robbed or lose you home to a disaster. The ability to afford a home will be greatly reduced.
These are just a couple quick thought but the ‘new way’ of policing sounds like a dystopian sci-fi story.
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