What Black Lives Matter Believe

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LeafByNiggle said:
Retreating to meaningless buzz-words, eh?
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No not all at. There is much meaning there.

Identity politics is a thing.
It’s embrace of victimhood is a thing.
It creating a villain class is real.

It happens time after time and Black Lives Matter obviously follows the same template.

The thing is Leaf, it is a clear evil. It exists and is is always present in Leftist politics.

It is an emotional pull that hides the fact of policy failure.

The Democrats have had the black community in its fold since the 1930’s. What has it done for them?

In areas all across the States black communities have had Democratic leadership for decades. If you keep blaming poorer outcomes on slavery, racism and whitey then it prevents one from admitting the obvious -----> Democratic politics doesn’t work.

If Blacks are trapped in systems of racism, then those systems have been run by Democrats for decades.

If there is injustice in Black communities then you cannot but criticise the Democratic policies that have been implemented and followed there and supposedly continues to create that injustice.

If you wind people up with the emotionalism of identity politics those failures can be overlooked in a rush to blame something or somebody else. That kind of politics is toxic. Instead of fighting the problem, it becomes the problem.
 
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silentwitness said:
The thing is Leaf, it is a clear evil. It exists and is is always present in Leftist politics.
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We are not talking about the same “it” here. The Black Lives Matter movement is in line with Catholic social justice teaching, and is not evil.
silentwitness said:
The Democrats have had the black community in its fold since the 1930’s.
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Which has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter or its beliefs.
silentwitness said:
If there is injustice in Black communities then you cannot but criticise the Democratic policies that have been implemented and followed there and supposedly continues to create that injustice.
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The policies of the Democratic Party in the 19th century did support the injustices of slavery and Jim Crow laws, because the party was primarily ruled by the South. That continued well into the 20th century. The party of Lincoln was indeed the party of justice for blacks. That was then. This is now. But this is a digression, because I don’t care which party gets the blame. The subject of this thread has nothing to do with parties. It has to do with a movement and a realization by the populace that shows more promise of progress toward racial justice than I have seen in 72 years.
 
I don’t see a correlation between the teaching of the Catholic church, or most any other religious entity, and the “What We Believe” statement of Black Lives Matter. You’re going to have to spell that out for me.

Their organization starts with the premise of two individuals who were thugs that they have tried to portray as victims. By that very nature they are certainly not in line with any religious teaching as it is a false statement. That makes them liars and they promulgate and promote that lie under the name of justice.

With any rhetoric, if you can present a valid logical argument, diagram that argument and prove your argument, then please do so. You may win some folks over.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
We are not talking about the same “it” here. The Black Lives Matter movement is in line with Catholic social justice teaching, and is not evil.
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BLM is an anti Christian Marxist movement. You seem to want to ignore this in favour of your own motives and then project that onto BLM.

That doesn’t work in the real world.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
We are not talking about the same “it” here. The Black Lives Matter movement is in line with Catholic social justice teaching, and is not evil.
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BLM is an anti Christian Marxist movement. You seem to want to ignore this in favour of your own motives and then project that onto BLM.

That doesn’t work in the real world.
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The Black Lives Matter movement, as I have said many many times before in this thread, is much bigger than the website you like to go tofor quote-mining. The movement and it’s goals that are shared by the vast majority of participants in the movement are consistent with Catholic Social Justice teaching.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
The Black Lives Matter movement, as I have said many many times before in this thread, is much bigger than the website you like to go tofor quote-mining. The movement and it’s goals that are shared by the vast majority of participants in the movement are consistent with Catholic Social Justice teaching.
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It is not a website Leaf. Who do you think is organising the protests? Who do you think is receiving the hundreds of millions of dollars pledged by corporations? Your not getting any of that money or power. You are simply a cheer leader for the toppling of statues, the violence and the political demands of defunding the police etc.

Whether you want to admit it or not you are marching for that movement.

That movement is anti Christian and if we go back to the fruits argument, those fruits are death , destruction and fear.

Close your eyes if you want to.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The spring up organically from the communities affected or interested. Despite your fears, the Marxist boogey man is not hiding behind every bush or driving every protest for justice.
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I ask you again. Who is getting the hundreds of millions of dollars pledged by corporations?

Who is making the political demands of defunding the police?

Leftist politics is a drug that fools you into thinking you are part of some justice movement while others get rich and force their demands on society through violence and the threat of violence.

It is a replacement religion.

And it overlooks its own death, destruction and fear.
 
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silentwitness said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The spring up organically from the communities affected or interested. Despite your fears, the Marxist boogey man is not hiding behind every bush or driving every protest for justice.
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No Leaf. I ask you again. Who is getting the hundreds of millions of dollars pledged by corporations?
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Don’t know. Don’t care. The protests do not require funding. They are free.
Who is making the political demands of defunding the police.
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Various people. It is not a universal demand among the protesters. They all want reform, but not everyone thinks total defunding is the way to get it. And even where defunding is discussed, it is partial, not total, and it is coupled with a repurposing of those funds into community developement, which worked very well for Camden NJ.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Don’t know. Don’t care.
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That’s closing your eyes and projecting your morals onto the BLM movement.

Perhaps a Nazi marching under a swastika can also ignore any violence or ideology of leaders and tell us how Christian his movement is because of his own ideas of what he would like the movement to be.

I say again you are ignoring death, destruction and fear. That is real.

Those are the fruits of your movement.

You cannot march under the banner of an evil group who do evil things and profit both politically and financially by your actions and then claim that has nothing to do with you.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
I say again, those are the fruits of injustice.
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That is Leftist ideology.

That any violence that comes from its own ideology is deserved and needed to address some injustice in the minds of Leftists.

It is difficult tp square those morals with Christianity.

Violence or the ignoring of violence of those shooting people dead or bashing people mercilessly or looting businesses or burning down buildings has very little to do with injustice except that it is the injustice.
 
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blackforest said:
And you do understand the difference between BLM the organization and BLM the movement, yet?
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Probably not. I treat everyone I interact with equally, unless they give me reason to not do so, and that is based on their actions, not the color of their skin.

I do “get” that there’s a large number of people out there who are black and not Marxist like the BLM site would indicate from its “What we Believe” page, and that they feel, or actuallly are disadvantaged. Ido not, however, consider that a reason to have riots that destroy private property as part of a movement that isn’t actually part of the organization.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I say again, those are the fruits of injustice.
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19 unarmed whites and 10 unarmed blacks were killed last year by police. Half were attacking police prior to being killed. There are millions of interactions each year between police and citizens.
Not exactly a “systemic” problem.
How about showing the police some gratitude for all they do for us, and the risks they take by just putting on the blue uniform?
 
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Delving deeply into additional data, this time from loads of data from 2018:
When the race of the homicide offender was known, 54.9 percent were Black or African American, 42.4 percent were White, and 2.7 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,821 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3 .)
Hence, more contact with the police.
In addition, in cases where the races of both the victim and offender were known, a staggering 88.9% of black homicide victims were murdered by black criminals.
Circumstances beyond their control, such as being fatherless, contribute to this unfortunate fact.
https://www.conservativereview.com/...floyd-7000-black-homicide-victims-every-year/
The anti-cop narrative deflects attention away from solving the real criminal-justice problem, which is high rates of black-on-black victimization. Blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of non-Hispanic whites, overwhelmingly killed not by cops, not by whites, but by other blacks.


Out of the 30-50 million interactions that the police had with the American public in 2018, 10 million people were arrested, and less than 0.01 percent were shot and killed by the police. Out of those 10 million people arrested, 47 of those shot and killed were unarmed, which equates to 0.00047 percent, 17 of which were black.
https://www.newsmax.com/bernardkerik/police-shootings-crime-statistics/2019/01/22/id/899297/
 
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