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In reading this thread I am wondering how things would be if the folks that coined and created “Black Lives Matter” would have actually coined and created “All Lives Matter”?
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“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement,” the organization writes as part of its mission statement.
“I don’t know how many people really look into the mission statement of Black Lives Matter, but I did,” Wiley said. “Children from single parent homes vs. two parent homes. The children from the single parent homes…five times more likely to commit suicide, six times more likely to be in poverty, nine times more likely to drop out of high school, 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances, 14 times more likely to commit rape, 20 times more likely to end up in prison, and 32 times more likely to run away from home.”
Shelby Steele, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution said that the contemporary civil rights movement under the banner of “Black Lives Matter” was deeply unserious, catering to an old form of victimization that has accomplished nothing to lift up black people.
“I will take those things seriously when I also hear the argument that we need within the black community to work on the institution of marriage,” Steele said, citing the fact that 75 percent of black children are born out of wedlock with no father.
“I don’t care how many social programs you have. You’re not going to overcome that.”
Some of the most dangerous big cities are: St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Chicago, Memphis, Atlanta, Birmingham, Newark, Buffalo and Philadelphia. The most common characteristic of these cities is that for decades, all of them have been run by liberal Democrats. Some cities – such as Detroit, Buffalo, Newark and Philadelphia – haven’t elected a Republican mayor for more than a half-century. On top of this, in many of these cities, blacks are mayors, often they dominate city councils, and they are chiefs of police and superintendents of schools.
Democratic-controlled cities have the poorest-quality public education despite their large, and growing, school budgets. Consider Baltimore, Maryland. In 2016, in 13 of Baltimore’s 39 high schools, not a single student scored proficient on the state’s math exam. In six other high schools, only 1% tested proficient in math. Only 15% of Baltimore students passed the state’s English test. That same year in Philadelphia only 19% of eighth-graders scored proficient in math, and 16% were proficient in reading. In Detroit, only 4% of its eighth-graders scored proficient in math, and 7% were proficient in reading. It’s the same story of academic disaster in other cities run by Democrats.
According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides with blacks being the primary victims.
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Wow! This thread was one day away from being closed. One Day! And you rescued it from its well-deserved oblivion with a rehash of all the tropes we already hashed over in this thread, with nothing new added. For those who have not followed this thread, just look back at the 580 posts and you will see that everything has been dealt with many many times already.
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Every time some group (like BLM) or individual protests the “racism” and “evil” of America, consider this:
The United States takes in far more immigrants than any other country in the world. About 1 million per year! Immigrants choose the United States far more than any other country. Proof that we’re a great country.
The United States takes in far more immigrants than any other country in the world. About 1 million per year! Immigrants choose the United States far more than any other country. Proof that we’re a great country.
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I have used that example many times.
BUT, If you are a Black descendant of slaves, Not. So. Much.
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But, fortunately, the Republican Party was formed to defeat the Democrats’ pro-slavery efforts. And, we defeated slavery 78 years after our nation was even formed. Quicker than most other countries.
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Proof that we are a prosperous country. Not proof that we are a “great” country for civil rights.
Yes, the Republicans were great when they were the liberals pushing for abolition of slavery, and the Democrats were the conservatives, wanting to maintain the status quo and the “tradition” of slavery. But now the Republicans are the ones who want to preserve the status quo and the Democrats are the progressives who want to improve things. You can only rest on those Lincoln Laurels for so long.
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Democrats are the ones who want to reduce funding for the police, even amidst the current riots and destruction. Democrats also oppose school choice for the poor kids stuck in poorly performing school districts.
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This is a very inaccurate description of charter schools, which are constructed primarily in rich neighborhoods and are not a feasible choice for poor kids stuck in poorly performing schools. The Democrat’s solution to that would be to hire more teachers for smaller classes (like they have in rich neighborhoods) and better facilities (like they have in rich neighborhoods), and ensure that all children have decent nutrition (like rich kids have). But taking money away from schools in poor neighbors and giving it to charter schools just reduces the quality of education for the poor. The Democrats oppose that.
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There are high performing schools in poor areas and in inner city areas with small class sizes. These are Catholic schools and other private schools. The public schools in same areas spend way more per student. All the money you can throw at a public school doesn’t help. Only mentors, which the best most effective are parents, but you do the best you can, make a difference in the intrinsic motivation and discipline that needs to be taught at home. You don’t build a successful academic around antibullying, diversity, and climate justice. You don’t build a successful academic environment by disrupting the nuclear family. You don’t support struggling communities by taking away their police protection.
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Unfortunately they are not available in all poor areas - only some. And even where they are available, many cannot afford tuition, and the school only has so much available for scholarships. They cannot enroll everyone without a massive infusion of charitable giving.
If you count all the charitable giving it takes to keep those Catholic schools afloat, you will find they spend more per student.
Tell that to the schools in rich neighborhoods that throw a ton of money toward their public schools. They would not be doing this if it did not help.
Nor do you build a successful academic in a climate where students are bullied because of their differences.
Public schools don’t do that. So I call straw man on that one.
Swat teams patrolling the school grounds does not help. Just look at how few swat teams are patrolling the school grounds in rich neighborhoods.
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Yes it is. You can assume a Catholic follows/is represented by the Catholic teachings by being a member of the church just like you can assume that someone agrees with the values (good and bad) of Black Lives Matter if they belong to them. If you believe in to each according to need from each according to their ability and that the ends justifies the means, you are a Marxist.
The values that the organization BLM subscribes to matters. If you’re going to follow a Marxist organization because of ignorance, you’re still a Marxist whether you realize it or not. Also because Marxists like to sow division and discord, it’s vital to call them out as Marxists.
Capitalism believes that everyone should be able to benefit by providing a benefit to someone else. It’s the most fair system out there and Jesus was a capitalist. Jesus was a capitalist because he believed in the sanctity of work and of rest and he believed in charity which is different from the forced redistribution of resources and the rationing of goods and services. The capitalist system is important because it encourages people to work and provide for another rather than to loaf on the system as a whole. In a crisis, hopefully capitalism alleviates the problem as quickly as possible - hopefully people are able to become wealthy because they found a solution to the problem. The only way to make everyone work when everything is shared in common is because they are either slaves (bad) - aka forced to work for the state or they are in heaven (good) - they do because they have perfect charity. We should all strive for perfect charity and can be the most generous if we have more to share with others.
The USA is the most generous of any country because capitalism gives us the wealth to be generous. If people aren’t producing, there isn’t goods and services to give to charity. Though the broke / poor should be taken care of, the broke / poor cannot offer a job to someone.
So charity of individuals is even more important than a social safety net. There should be a social safety net, but charity should be the priority in a culture. Compassion and selflessness of what you can give to another is far more important than the selfishness of socialism - what can I get from the govt - what can I get from another? How can I mooch off the government largess because I don’t want to work.
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+1 I want the protests against racial inequality to succeed, but part of that message is bringing back the strength of the nuclear family and justice for all, including all blacks. The premise for Black Lives Matter is a media that doesn’t care about white cops beating to death black people, but the opposite is true from 50 years ago - we have wall to wall coverage of white cops killing blacks but no coverage if it’s a black or white cop killing a white man or if there’s black on black crime that doesn’t fit the narrative.
My biggest problem with BLM is there long-list of demands which can only be meant to divide us. If they focused on 2-3 issues of racial equality and justice, we could fix those issues tomorrow. Much of that would be to 1) restore the nuclear family, 2A) have an independent review of police brutality regardless of race as well as racial/class/age profiling, 2B) make sure that the public defender’s office has the same resources as the district and assistant district attorney’s office, and 3) make sure that all black lives matter, including those in the womb and black on black crime.
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–I would agree with that.
Another issue I have with BLM is the following: It’s one thing to advocate for X because you think X is a good thing. It’s another to (as BLM does), “advocate for X, Y & Z because we need supporters and we’re courting the supporters of Y & Z;” or “advocate for X result (destroy the nuclear family) because veryfew of our membership had a dad in the picture and we’re trying to legitimize them.” BLM zealously advocates for “queer rights.” The rights of gays are virtually irrelevant to what BLM is perceived as advocating - so why water down your message, unless to court gays or others who you think may be on your side?
Another issue I have with BLM is the following: It’s one thing to advocate for X because you think X is a good thing. It’s another to (as BLM does), “advocate for X, Y & Z because we need supporters and we’re courting the supporters of Y & Z;” or “advocate for X result (destroy the nuclear family) because veryfew of our membership had a dad in the picture and we’re trying to legitimize them.” BLM zealously advocates for “queer rights.” The rights of gays are virtually irrelevant to what BLM is perceived as advocating - so why water down your message, unless to court gays or others who you think may be on your side?
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I think there was a white guy beaten up because he was protecting a trans-person and of course because it was a white person beaten up by BLM, it was only shown on Fox News.
It can be met, but you don’t want it to be. That hurts (not helps) black lives. The war on poverty by LBJ is what made blacks married to the govt. While a woman might not “need” a man because the govt is taking care of them, this 1) leads to generational poverty, 2) leads to men joining gangs for that “father” and leads to bad choices by women in not knowing what to look for in a man, and 3) leads to more abortions for blacks than for whites. Also police officers respond to crime to try to reduce crime but as with any interaction, things can go bad and bad cops can do the wrong thing.
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And he was about LOVE and non-violence. He also knew it meant sacrifice among blacks to truly heal the culture that wasn’t quite ready for change. He built off of Booker T Washington’s framework.
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It’s about intersectionality or the false belief that just because you were part of a minority group that you somehow share an experience even though the experiences were independently different.
I’d say we have less freedom than we had 50 years ago, not because systemic racism exists everywhere but because we don’t allow disagreement of thought or differences of opinion. Basically, you have the freedom to speak as long as you agree with me - otherwise I am going to claim that you’re trying to silence me! Instead of attacking racial groups, we now attack individuals - at least people in a group can stick together. Attacking individuals for their opinions is about the lowest of the low.
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If you’re concern is “straw man arguments” then take that up with BLM. All the noise, all the fundraising, all the destruction and division, when the police are actually way down the list if you list what is dangerous for black people. They are about the opposite of what MLK was about. Nobody said you build anything around bullying kids because of differences, nobody said rich schools don’t spend money, nobody said anything about swat teams patrolling schools. If disagreeing with somebody means parroting just a polar opposite example then you never get the point do you? Also, if your saying most private schools spend more money per student then you must not be accounting for the bureaucratic and structural overhead built into the public school system.
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This also describes the SMITHISTS as Capitalism subscribes to the same principals in regard to “each according to their ability justifies the means”
Often gets confused with Socialism which is wrongly suggesting that all Socialists are MARXIST.
I agree that it is the fairest system we know at the moment, however Capitalism does fall extremely short in many ares. Used correctly it can be much better & needs to do much more than just keep people employed on an endless cycle for financial survival.
I’m sure Jesus meant, work for the necessitates not for the luxuries. To provide by the sweat of your brow means to toil for sustenance & shelter, not cars & jewelry.
Greed, competition & the need for profit is the key driver for Capitalism, the real issue is that not everyone can be wealthy, there is no room for all to be rich. In fact Capitalism would collapse if we were all employers as no employees would exist
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The Capitalistic system is Feudalistic & functions like a totalitarian regime, at the same time we apply democracy to our life outside work. Even though Capitalism functions in a democratic environment, the truth is they set the rules, by bedding with our leaders who promise a fairer system.
Under the system of Capitalism many low paid workers already feel ENSLAVED, their toils do not meet the basic necessitates for survival such as sustenance & shelter. Yes their are many reasons why this happens but in the end they still revolve around Capitalism, such as debt, bad investments, poor education etc.
It has never been about not wanting to work, It is about fairer work, a fair days work for a fair days pay. Look at the minimum wage, does this allow for a fair living?
Charity is a great concept & an honorable idea, however when we see the larger organisations that benefit capitalistically with massive amounts of property, huge bank accounts & top executive salaries. They are seen as great money making machines, in other words they need a million to give back half a million. Charity also falls short, as even in wealthy nations, people are still without shelter & sustenance.
Capitalism doesn’t exist where no profit is to be made. which is why we need centralized governments to provide in those areas where Capitalism fears to tread.
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