What Black Lives Matter Believe

[HarryStotle]

JimG:

As the Breonna Taylor civil settlement makes clear, demonstrations do not bring justice. For that, you need a good lawyer, and a court. And of course, the law.

On the contrary, it is unlikely the settlement would have occurred without public pressure from the protests.

Incorrect. When a person who is not involved in the crime is injured or killed payouts are the rule. In the case of Breonna Taylor her boyfriend admitted to shooting at the police, yet it was Breonna who was shot 8 times. That outcome is consistent with her being used as a human shield by her boyfriend, although it is possible that he is lying in order to play up her victimhood. She may have been the shooter - who the shooter was hasn’t been established by the evidence, but on the word of the boyfriend.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

There have been 35 young children killed in drive by shootings since George Floyd died, a large majority of them black. The criminals have been emboldened by calls for defunding and the demoralization of police who have reduced their proactive responses because of fear that escalation will blow back on them.

If BLM supporters really cared about young innocent black lives they (you) would be toning down the rhetoric.

A good indepth analysis of the current situation…

On Breonna Taylor…

 

[LeafByNiggle]

In the case of Breonna Taylor her boyfriend admitted to shooting at the police…

which is what anyone would do when the police break in to your house while you are sleeping and without knocking and you have your licensed firearm to protect you from such break-ins.

yet it was Breonna who was shot 8 times. That outcome is consistent with her being used as a human shield by her boyfriend,

It is consistent with the frightened police shooting indiscriminately in the dark in the general direction of where the one shot came from.

Incorrect. When a person who is not involved in the crime is injured or killed payouts are the rule.

Yet nothing was done for months until the public outcry mounted. The protests made the difference. That’s what Breonna’s family says. Also, the settlement involved more than a payout. It involved a commitment to police reform. That too was the result of the protests.

 

[1cthlctrth]

The Agenda of Black Lives Matter Is Far Different From the Slogan | The Heritage Foundation

Visit the Black Lives Matter website, and the first frame you get is a large crowd with fists raised and the slogan “Now We Transform.” Read the list of demands, and you get a sense of how deep a transformation they seek.

One proclaims: “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear-family-structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another.”

A partner organization, the Movement for Black Lives, or M4BL, calls for abolishing all police and all prisons. It also calls for a “progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state and federal levels to ensure a radical and sustainable redistribution of wealth.”

Another M4BL demand is “the retroactive decriminalization, immediate release and record expungement of all drug-related offenses and prostitution and reparations for the devastating impact of the ‘war on drugs’ and criminalization of prostitution.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

White supremacists will do anything to de-legitimize the call for racial justice and avoid talking about the main issue.

 

[VonDerTann]

Facts really don’t matter to you, do they? You just make them up as you go.

You are inventing that the police were “frightened” and were shooting “indiscriminately.”

You condemn me for saying “we can’t know what’s inside someone’s head” yet you assume you have such knowledge of others.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You are inventing that the police were “frightened” and were shooting “indiscriminately.”

I can’t imagine them entering a home with a no-knock warrant at night without being afraid. It is very reasonable assumption. And in the dark in the heat of gunfire, about all they can to is fire indiscriminately - also reasonable assumption.

 

[Annie]

White supremacists will do anything to de-legitimize the call for racial justice and avoid talking about the main issue.

What definition of white supremacist are you using here?

Are you saying that anyone who criticizes the extreme end of the BLM movement, like the Marxist-trained website developers of BLM.com and the rioters, are white supremacists?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Incorrect. When a person who is not involved in the crime is injured or killed payouts are the rule.

Yet nothing was done for months until the public outcry mounted. The protests made the difference. That’s what Breonna’s family says. Also, the settlement involved more than a payout. It involved a commitment to police reform. That too was the result of the protests.

Correlation does not equal causation. How long does “action” typically take through the judicial system? Perhaps the timing of the settlement came as the protests occurred? Also, perhaps, the protests were coordinated between organizers and the family to increase settlement. That does not mean the settlement should or should not have happened nor that the settlement was a fair one compared to others that don’t benefit from protests. What was the settlement paid to the pregnant Australian woman, Justine Damond, killed by a police officer in Minnesota?

The timeline of prosecution of that police officer was 2 years from July of 2017 to June 2019, with a $20 million settlement to the family. Very little in terms of protests, but keep in mind there was no criminality on the part of Damond and no shooting at police officers.

Taylor’s took six months for Taylor’s $12 million settlement (May to Sept 2020).

Could the settlement have taken 2 years without the protests? Perhaps. Was the settlement made fair or made unfair because the protests occurred? It could have been made unfair by tbe judicial process being influenced by social pressure, depending upon the culpability of Taylor which remains an open question.

Tony Timpa’s death at the hands of Dallas police resulted in three officers being exonerated and it took three years for the video footage to be released to the public. Timpa was held down by a knee for 14 minutes in an incident that mirrors George Floyd’s quite remarkably. No protests for him, no settlement, and no repercussions to the officers involved. Timpa was white.

 

[VonDerTann]

So your facts are actually just assumptions.

Good to know. I’ll remember that going forward.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Are you saying that anyone who criticizes the extreme end of the BLM movement, like the Marxist-trained website developers of BLM. com and the rioters, are white supremacists?

No, I am say that white supremacists, rather than confront the racism issue head on, will invent any criticism they can, even ridiculous ones, just to distract from the core message of the racial justice protests. In earlier days those white supremacists would have just said exactly what they believe. But now, seeing as how the country has moved on beyond their ideology, they are embarrassed to do so. Therefore they resort to such techniques to derail the discussion before it ever gets going, knowing that if they tried to address the issue head on they would lose.

Correlation does not equal causation. How long does “action” typically take through the judicial system? Perhaps the timing of the settlement came as the protests occurred? Also, perhaps, the protests were coordinated between organizers and the family to increase settlement. That does not mean the settlement should or should not have happened nor that the settlement was a fair one compared to others that don’t benefit from protests. What was the settlement paid to the pregnant Australian woman, Justine Damond, killed by a police officer in Minnesota?

Do you honestly believe that the march to Selma and the blood shed by protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge played no role in the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Correlation does not equal causation. How long does “action” typically take through the judicial system? Perhaps the timing of the settlement came as the protests occurred? Also, perhaps, the protests were coordinated between organizers and the family to increase settlement. That does not mean the settlement should or should not have happened nor that the settlement was a fair one compared to others that don’t benefit from protests. What was the settlement paid to the pregnant Australian woman, Justine Damond, killed by a police officer in Minnesota?

Do you honestly believe that the march to Selma and the blood shed by protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge played no role in the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act?

If you read my last post I fully acknowledge that protests influence legislation and judicial action generally. That does not answer the bigger question of whether protests result in just and fair judicial actions or often merely expedite mob justice. I would suppose that depends upon how just the judicial actors truly are and their willingness to stand against mob justice. Protests are not made automatically just merely because a large vocal crowd is involved.

 

[Annie]

No, I am say that white supremacists, rather than confront the racism issue head on, will invent any criticism they can, even ridiculous ones, just to distract from the core message of the racial justice protests. In earlier days those white supremacists would have just said exactly what they believe. But now, seeing as how the country has moved on beyond their ideology, they are embarrassed to do so. Therefore they resort to such techniques to derail the discussion before it ever gets going, knowing that if they tried to address the issue head on they would lose.

What I do not understand is whom you are calling white supremacists and what counts as deflecting?

 

[1cthlctrth]

Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Partners With Pro-Communist China Group

Go to the website for the Black Futures Lab, a venture of Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza, and click on the “Donate” button. It will ask you to send your money to an obscure organization, the Chinese Progressive Association, explaining that “Black Futures Lab is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.”

The CPA was founded in San Francisco in 1972 during the heady days of the Marxist-oriented Asian American Movement, and today it also has a very active chapter in Boston. From its start, it has been a promoter of the People’s Republic of China.

According to an authoritative 2009 Stanford University paper tracing its early days to the present, and which can be found on Marxist.org, “The CPA began as a Leftist, pro-People’s Republic of China organization, promoting awareness of mainland China’s revolutionary thought and workers’ rights, and dedicated to self-determination, community control, and ‘serving the people.’”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

If you read my last post I fully acknowledge that protests influence legislation and judicial action generally.

I thought you were challenging the assertion that the Breonna Taylor settlement was influenced by the public outcry. If not, then no problem.

What I do not understand is whom you are calling white supremacists and what counts as deflecting?

I don’t recall calling anyone a white supremacist. I did remark that the response that I was quoting is the kind of response that a white supremacist would give. That is not the same thing as calling the author of that response a white supremacist, if that is what you mean.

Go to the website for the Black Futures Lab, a venture of Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza, and click on the “Donate” button. It will ask you to send your money to an obscure organization, the Chinese Progressive Association, explaining that “Black Futures Lab is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.”

Fake news. The Chinese Progressive Association is not obscure. It is a 100% American organization founded in 1972 to educate, organize and empower the low income and working class immigrant Chinese community in San Francisco to build collective power with other oppressed communities to demand better living and working conditions and justice for all people. It is not at all that surprising that this 48-year old organization would partner with another racial justice group.

But fake news is what you can expect from the Daily Signal.

 

[lwest]

I just know I spoke to a local BLM coordinator earlier this year when the riots were just getting going. This guy claimed to be a protected messenger of God. His goals were to ‘make the minority the majority again’, 'make sure schools allow equal opportunity for minorities to join extra-curricular activities and get rid of the Italian influence in the city. I felt compelled to question him as to HOW he planned on making the minority the majority again. He never answered. I also pointed out that our city is mostly minority and plenty of minorities have been in extra-curricular activities for decades. He refused to clarify, stating again the he was a messenger of God…So, there’s that. Take it for what you will.

 

[Riman643]

So a racial group wanting to end racial superiority ideology is going to do that by promoting racial superiority against the race they don’t like? That wild.

 

[lwest]

It sure is wild. It’s like ‘race worship’. If everyone put Jesus first in their hearts, skin color would cease to be an issue, IMHO.

 

[Annie]

I don’t recall calling anyone a white supremacist. I did remark that the response that I was quoting is the kind of response that a white supremacist would give. That is not the same thing as calling the author of that response a white supremacist, if that is what you mean.

Either you responded to the person above your post, who posted info about some of the more radical proposed responses to the situation with police and black people, or you just randomly posted your comment.

White supremacists will do anything to de-legitimize the call for racial justice and avoid talking about the main issue.

If it was random, your comment was random and therefore rather senseless.

If it was in response to the post above yours, then, yes, you were saying that what that poster was doing was deflection, and that deflection is what white supremacists do.

You did not qualify either side of that statement so basically, yeah, you’re saying people who do not follow the party line are white supremacists.

 

[lwest]

Actually, I was agreeing with you. I’m sorry if that wasnt’ clear.

 

[Raxus]

I don’t recall calling anyone a white supremacist. I did remark that the response that I was quoting is the kind of response that a white supremacist would give. That is not the same thing as calling the author of that response a white supremacist, if that is what you mean.

Semantics. This is just saying “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck”…