What Black Lives Matter Believe

[Sarcelle]

The Irish were not kidnapped from their homeland, bought and sold like cattle, their families broken up because of being bought and sold. The humanity of the Irish was never questioned like the humanity of black people and to a lesser extent the Chinese.

The Irish were never subject to Jim Crow laws and systematically denied education and the right to vote, especially in the Southern states.

There Irish and black experience are not the same. Not even close.

 

[HarryStotle]

Stopping the peaceful protests would not defuse the violent ones. They take place, not because of the peaceful protests, but because of the killing of George Floyd, etc.

The so-called “peaceful protests” are far, far, too disproportionate regarding what they are protesting because police officers across the country risk their own lives exponentially more than they wrongfully take a life.

If the protestors had any reasonable perspective on the issue they would be protesting criminality and calling for support of the police rather than enabling (and making heroes of) criminals and calling for de-funding of the police.

 

[HarryStotle]

I was referring to the justice system in Alcolu, SC that convicted and executed George Stinney Jr…

In 1944 Hitler was the leader of the Nazi party, a “system” that brutally murdered some seven million Jewish people.

By your logic we ought to be vilifying today anyone remotely connected to that “system.” I.e., all German people because the German people participated willingly in that system.

What does Stinney’s death have anything to do with what is happening today? The fact that you cannot cite a current similar systemic wrong happening today nullifies your point entirely.

That is precisely the same logic that vilifies all police based upon one egregious incident.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The so-called “peaceful protests” are far, far, too disproportionate regarding what they are protesting because police officers across the country risk their own lives exponentially more than they wrongfully take a life.

So, now you are saying the protests themselves are unjustified. But your justification doesn’t make sense. The dangers of being a police officer do not justify treating lives of any color without due respect. Did you notice that the family of Breonna Taylor today settled a civil suit with the city of Louisville which including a commitment to new reforms? Look how long that had to be protested before the city agreed. Do you really think the city would have agreed if no one protested Breonna’s shooting?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

In 1944 Hitler was the leader of the Nazi party, a “system” that brutally murdered some seven million Jewish people.

By your logic we ought to be vilifying today anyone remotely connected to that “system.”

No, only if some form of that system were still in play. Germany, to their credit, has roundly rejected the Nazi ideology so much so that it is illegal to fly the Nazi flag. (Note: It is not illegal to fly that flag in the US.)

What does Stinney’s death have anything to do with what is happening today? The fact that you cannot cite a current similar systemic wrong happening today nullifies your point entirely.

Breonna Taylor. George Floyd.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

The so-called “peaceful protests” are far, far, too disproportionate regarding what they are protesting because police officers across the country risk their own lives exponentially more than they wrongfully take a life.

So, now you are saying the protests themselves are unjustified. But your justification doesn’t make sense.

That would be because you are using the term “justified” ambiguously. Of course, peaceful protests are always justified because the Constitution permits peaceful protesting as an aspect of the First Amendment. The germane question, though, is whether the protests are a reasonable response to what has occurred.

The fact that they are unbridled in their destruction and haven’t permitted the justice system to actually rule on the evidence means that they are, indeed, unjustified in the rational sense of having reasonable justification or warrant.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

That would be because you are using the term “justified” ambiguously. …

The germane question, though, is whether the protests are a reasonable response to what has occurred.

The fact that they are unbridled in their destruction

That would be because you are using the term “they” ambiguously. Are you talking about the vast majority of peaceful protesters, or about the protesters who engage in violence? The peaceful ones are not “unbridled in their destruction”.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

In 1944 Hitler was the leader of the Nazi party, a “system” that brutally murdered some seven million Jewish people.

By your logic we ought to be vilifying today anyone remotely connected to that “system.”

No, only if some form of that system were still in play. Germany, to their credit, has roundly rejected the Nazi ideology so much so that it is illegal to fly the Nazi flag. (Note: It is not illegal to fly that flag in the US.)

What does Stinney’s death have anything to do with what is happening today? The fact that you cannot cite a current similar systemic wrong happening today nullifies your point entirely.

Breonna Taylor. George Floyd.

Both of those are questionable because of the behaviours of the victims. The primary cause of Floyd’s death was overdose of drugs due to his own lack of good judgement. Breonna Taylor is a more complicated one, but it isn’t as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

 

[Rockoh22]

That would be because you are using the term “they” ambiguously. Are you talking about the vast majority of peaceful protesters, or about the protesters who engage in violence? The peaceful ones are not “unbridled in their destruction”.

Most of the KKK rallies were peaceful as well.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

That would be because you are using the term “justified” ambiguously. …

The germane question, though, is whether the protests are a reasonable response to what has occurred.

The fact that they are unbridled in their destruction

That would be because you are using the term “they” ambiguously. Are you talking about the vast majority of peaceful protesters, or about the protesters who engage in violence? The peaceful ones are not “unbridled in their destruction”.

No. It is you using “they” ambiguously because you know that it is impossible to distinguish between the peaceful ones and the destructive ones, let alone accurately give a count of numbers to conclude the one is a “vast majority.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Most of the KKK rallies were peaceful as well.

But it is known that the very same KKK members that were rallying peacefully were overtly supportive of the violence done by the group, which maintained a rigorous organization structure. There is no question that they were the same group. The same is not true of the racial justice protesters. They are not overtly supportive of the violence done. And they are not under rigorous organization control. There are no “BLM Grand Dragons” that other member must follow.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is you using “they” ambiguously because you know that it is impossible to distinguish between the peaceful ones and the destructive ones

Patently false. The peaceful ones are the ones who are not and have never been engaged in violence.

 

[lwest]

I agree wholeheartedly. And if you mention killings by black gangs or how more black babies are aborted than allowed to live, you’re called a conspiracy theorist. The world has gone mad and many Catholics along with it. Pray and fast for our country and our Church.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

It is you using “they” ambiguously because you know that it is impossible to distinguish between the peaceful ones and the destructive ones

Patently false. The peaceful ones are the ones who are not and have never been engaged in violence.

Pick one of the rent-a-mobs and point out the peaceful ones from the destructive. You know as well as I that your claim is unfalsifiable which is why you keep making it.

Yet, the destruction, looting and mayhem go on.

Sure, you can stand back and say, “Not every participant was destructive.” Well, okay, but the massive destruction and looting still occurs.

 

[HarryStotle]

Rockoh22:

Most of the KKK rallies were peaceful as well.

But it is known that the very same KKK members that were rallying peacefully were overtly supportive of the violence done by the group, which maintained a rigorous organization structure. There is no question that they were the same group. The same is not true of the racial justice protesters. They are not overtly supportive of the violence done. And they are not under rigorous organization control. There are no “BLM Grand Dragons” that other member must follow.

Convenient for them. They can stand back, observe the destruction, then claim they have nothing to do with it. Sounds like the Democrat position, a step up from Nadler’s, “that’s a myth.”

 

[HarryStotle]

It is interesting that even after being arrested for rioting and assaulting police, these “peaceful protestors” feel they should be immune from being seen as rioters.

 

[JimG]

As the Breonna Taylor civil settlement makes clear, demonstrations do not bring justice. For that, you need a good lawyer, and a court. And of course, the law.

 

[VonDerTann]

The settlement of civil litigation doesn’t prove wrongdoing. Lawsuits settle for a million reasons, including to avoid costly legal fees. Additionally, federal civil rights suits are the sort of suits where the plaintiff recovers their own legal fees if they prevail, and those costs can skyrocket in major litigation - thus if plaintiff prevails the pubic entity pays their own lawyers; and the plaintiff’s lawyers, above and beyond the damages themselves. The mere exposure to these costs drives many cases to settlement.

Sadly, a public entity also factors into settlement discussions “the likely cost of rebuilding the city after the riots that will ensue if the city wins at trial.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is interesting that even after being arrested for rioting and assaulting police, these “peaceful protestors”

These are not the peaceful protesters.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

As the Breonna Taylor civil settlement makes clear, demonstrations do not bring justice. For that, you need a good lawyer, and a court. And of course, the law.

On the contrary, it is unlikely the settlement would have occurred without public pressure from the protests.