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Civil Rights Vet Warns Against BLM Riots: 'Their Target Isn't Injustice in America, It's America Itself' – PJ Media

Civil Rights Vet Warns Against BLM Riots: ‘Their Target Isn’t Injustice in America, It’s America Itself’.
“Low-income blacks are the collateral damage” of the riots, Woodson told PJ Media. “It’s really damaging. Many of the businesses that are being torched are black-owned businesses. In my own neighborhood of Philadelphia, they burned down a grocery store that employed ex-offenders and a center that treated dialysis patients.

“I don’t know what this has to do with social justice,” he quipped.

Indeed, the riots have destroyed black lives, black livelihoods, and black monuments. At least 22 Americans have died in the riots, most of them black.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

. Go back and watch the litany of Democrat leaders calling for violence in the streets in the video I posted.

Could you tell us what post that is or re-post the video please? Because it’s a lot of posts to look through to find it…

The Larry Elder video from this post:

What Black Lives Matter Believe Social Justice

Right. Protesting the loss of lives that were arguably lost because of the ill-advised and illegal avoidance of arrests by officers that were sanctioned by laws created to keep the peace. The officers involved in those deaths are sworn to uphold the laws that law-abiding legislators have enacted. What gave those victims the judicial right to commit crimes and then try and avoid arrest? Oh right, the sanction of BLM and the Democrats to act as if they are above the law. [‘Peaceful Prot…

 

[HarryStotle]

Annie:

TBH, I think it’s 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. Yes, there are peaceful protesters who are not involved in the rioting, but there is also a sizable contingent involved in both

Sizable is a relative term.

Right. Just as “largely” peaceful is a relative term. Yet after something like $700 000 000 in damage, thousands of businesses destroyed in about 52 cities wherein about 25% of the population of the US have acknowledged that rioting has occurred in their communities, and at least 30 people have died as a direct result of the actions of the rioters, some still insist that the protests are “largely” peaceful.

Do keep digging, though. You do have a “sizeable” but shrinking number of readers who think as you do.

I recommend Douglas Murray as a counterpoint to your narration.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Annie:

TBH, I think it’s 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. Yes, there are peaceful protesters who are not involved in the rioting, but there is also a sizable contingent involved in both

Sizable is a relative term.

Right. Just as “largely” peaceful is a relative term. Yet after something like $700 000 000 in damage, thousands of businesses destroyed in about 52 cities wherein about 25% of the population of the US have acknowledged that rioting has occurred in their communities, and at least 30 people have died as a direct result of the actions of the rioters, some still insist that the protests are “largely” peaceful.

We have see this argument before. 19 years ago, in fact. After the attacks of 9/11 some said that Muslims were not largely peaceful, pointing to the 3000 dead and tremendous loss of the twin towers and the surrounding area. But then, as now, the criticism was based on the impact of the 19 hijackers, not on their numbers, which was only 19, as compared to the over 3 million peaceful Muslims living in the US at the time.

Yes, the impact of the violent rioters has been much bigger than the impact of the peaceful protesters. How many were there? Well, from the time of the George Floyd killing up until August 22nd, there were 10,600 separate protests events in the US. Some of these protests drew thousands of marchers each, many of whom were city officials and leaders in law enforcement. I remember well the story of the Sheriff of Saginaw County, Michigan who proudly took a stand along side the protesters and joined with them in their march. Just as with the attacks of 9/11, the vast majority of those protesting police injustice were peaceful, and even enjoyed the support of their city and law enforcement.

So the next time you see a report of all the damage caused by a few violent rioters, remember the distinction between numbers of people and impact. Those that draw your attention to the impact only do not want you to consider the numbers of people involved.

 

[VonDerTann]

The sheer size of destruction and damage - approaching a billion dollars worth - shows the extent of the violence done.

But keep digging, Leaf: keep insisting for the 5000th time that the violence and wanton destruction aren’t bad, or are just caused by a select few. You convince no one.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The sheer size of destruction and damage - approaching a billion dollars worth - shows the extent of the violence done.

But keep digging, Leaf: keep insisting for the 5000th time that the violence and wanton destruction aren’t bad, or are just caused by a select few. You convince no one.

See? Once again, the number of people involved is ignored, and only the impact is mentioned.

In the meantime, please do research George Stinney Jr. (d. 1944) if anyone has any doubt the black lives do not matter to some in power.

 

[VonDerTann]

With all due respect, who cares? The rioters have caused nearly a billion $ in damages; killed dozens; and destroyed hundreds of businesses…and you want to talk about the number of people involved. Sorry, you don’t get to frame the issue. The issue is $700 million in damages… dozens of deaths…hundreds of businesses burned…

 

[VonDerTann]

Don’t just dump the name of some guy from 80 years ago on us and demand we research him: you do it. I mean, you’ve had time for 22,000 posts on this board…what’s a little research?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

With all due respect, who cares? The rioters have caused nearly a billion $ in damages; killed dozens; and destroyed hundreds of businesses…and you want to talk about the number of people involved. Sorry, you don’t get to frame the issue. The issue is $700 million in damages… dozens of deaths…hundreds of businesses burned…

If the issue is which side caused the biggest impact, you would be right. You can rightfully say that the rioters caused lots and lots of damage. But you cannot rightfully translate that observation to a claim that the overall protest movement itself is not peaceful, but that is not the right metric to answer that question. The vast majority of the 10,600 protest events were in fact completely peaceful, and not associated with any violence at all.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Don’t just dump the name of some guy from 80 years ago on us and demand we research him: you do it. I mean, you’ve had time for 22,000 posts on this board…what’s a little research?

If you need me to Google it for you, here is a good link: (It really was “super easy, barely an inconvenience”):

George Stinney - Wikipedia

 

[VonDerTann]

And I call bunk on “the vast majority are peaceful.”

Why? Because this “vast majority” knows dang well that their supposedly peaceful protests lead to riots after a few hours. They always do. The “peaceful protesters” are the proximate cause of the riots.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

And I call bunk on “the vast majority are peaceful.”

Why? Because this “vast majority” knows dang well that their supposedly peaceful protests lead to riots after a few hours. They always do. The “peaceful protesters” are the proximate cause of the riots.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[VonDerTann]

You’re right…it wasn’t hard at all for you. I know you’re an expert at posting thousands and thousands of times.

 

[VonDerTann]

But protests cause riots, your quip notwithstanding.

Timely that the lead story on thefederalist.com today is a link to a study that 95% of all riots in the US stem from blm protests.

I’d love to stay and chat but have work to do.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Why? Because this “vast majority” knows dang well that their supposedly peaceful protests lead to riots after a few hours. They always do. The “peaceful protesters” are the proximate cause of the riots.

But protests cause riots, your quip notwithstanding.

If you want to see an example of an expected proximate cause, what did the self-proclaimed vigilante, Kyle Rittenhouse, think was going to happen when he brought his rifle to Kenosha to confront Black Lives Matter protesters? What happened when those marching tried to disarm him was totally predictable. So was his coming to Kenosha the proximate cause, making him guilty of two murders? Some argue he was just exercising his constitutional rights to bear arms. But then the protesters who are peaceful are just exercising their first amendment rights to protest. Should they be help responsible for what others do in the wake of their protests? In this case the correlation is the result of two events being caused by the same thing. That one thing was the killing of George Floyd, and to some extent Breonna Taylor. That was the proximate cause for both the peaceful protests and the violent ones. The peaceful protests did not “cause” the violent ones. In fact, there is every reason to believe that if all the peaceful protests had been suspended, the violent ones would still have happened, because the real proximate cause of those violent protests was still there.

Dr. King said of such riots: “A riot is the language of the unheard.”

 

[HarryStotle]

VonDerTann:

The sheer size of destruction and damage - approaching a billion dollars worth - shows the extent of the violence done.

But keep digging, Leaf: keep insisting for the 5000th time that the violence and wanton destruction aren’t bad, or are just caused by a select few. You convince no one.

See? Once again, the number of people involved is ignored, and only the impact is mentioned.

In the meantime, please do research George Stinney Jr. (d. 1944) if anyone has any doubt the black lives do not matter to some in power.

“Some in power?” Care to quantify? Is that 3 or 4? Name them, if you don’t mind.

Are the unjust actions of one police officer warrant for mass rioting and destruction? Especially since it emboldens a number of extremists to try to wantonly murder police officers?

Perhaps those who are advocates of peace ought to reel in their “protesting” in order to diffuse the situation?

No. No. Let’s just keep stoking the flames by insisting that the “protests” are largely peaceful and the fault of all of the rioting is fully on the right despite that everyone doing it is on the left.

 

[VonDerTann]

Rioting is wrong - regardless of what MLK said.

Violence begets more violence. A culture where it’s OK to burn and loot leads to a culture where a person walks up to a police cruiser and shoots 2 officers sitting inside.

 

[JimG]

Why? Because this “vast majority” knows dang well that their supposedly peaceful protests lead to riots after a few hours. They always do. The “peaceful protesters” are the proximate cause of the riots.

The protesters effectively provide cover for the rioters.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

“Some in power?” Care to quantify? Is that 3 or 4? Name them, if you don’t mind.

I was referring to the justice system in Alcolu, SC that convicted and executed George Stinney Jr…

Perhaps those who are advocates of peace ought to reel in their “protesting” in order to diffuse the situation?

Stopping the peaceful protests would not defuse the violent ones. They take place, not because of the peaceful protests, but because of the killing of George Floyd, etc.

and the fault of all of the rioting is fully on the right

Nope. Never said that.

Rioting is wrong - regardless of what MLK said.

MLK was not justifying rioting. He was explaining it.

Violence begets more violence.

True. I am not defending violence.

The protesters effectively provide cover for the rioters.

No, the rioters would riot anyway because they are motivated by the same thing that motivates the peaceful protesters, except that they react violently and the peaceful protesters don’t.

Timely that the lead story on thefederalist.com today is a link to a study that 95% of all riots in the US stem from blm protests.

That’s not what the Federalist story says. It says that 95% of the riots are doing citing Black Lives Matter as the reason. It does not say that 95% of the riots are doing so because there are peaceful protests.

 

[Sarcelle]

The Western-prescribed nuclear family is individualistic and isolated. Post-partum depression runs rampant in the West, and stay-at-home parents live in bubbles punctuated by the occasional playgroup gathering. In other cultures, a nuclear family is part of a strong and supportive community, where everybody has each other’s backs.

One perfect expression of this isolation would be American suburbia, where sidewalks are nonexistent, children would have to be chauffeured everywhere for scheduled activities and the average American spends a significant amount of their life in a car, isolated from everyone else.

Neighbors don’t know each other and communities become increasingly transient.

This is a perfect recipe for a divided and fractured society.