What you merely “consider” absent any insider information provides precisely nothing substantial in terms of convincing evidence or corroboration. Anyone can make a claim about what they “consider.”
Even if it is a weak predictor, it appears that it is more a predictor that a person of a white race is more likely to be a target than a person of colour.1cthlctrth:
That does not mean that a person’s race is no predictor at all. It is just not the strongest predictor.
So Leaf, your point would be? Are the protests warranted?
No true Scotsman fallacy…
Not at all. This is from the Wikipedia page on “No True Scotsman”:LeafByNiggle:
No true Scotsman fallacy…
Not exactly. I am saying that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful and are not rioting. They define the movement. If asked, any one of them would disavow and condemn the violence a few are doing and self-proclaiming themselves part of the movement. What I am refuting is the implication by (name removed by moderator) that there is some sort of implicit or secret coordination between the bulk of the peaceful protesters and the those few doing violence. There is no evidence of that.
No they are not and they rhetoric is endangering (and costing) police officers their lives.
I think we are talking about two different protests and two different rhetorics. The one I am referring to is voiced by the majority, is in line with Dr. King’s non-violent protests, and John Lewis’s “good trouble”. It does not embolden rioters anymore than President Trump’s rhetoric emboldens white supremacist terrorism, which the DHS has declared more of a threat than foreign terrorist organizations.LeafByNiggle:
No they are not and they rhetoric is endangering (and costing) police officers their lives.
There is plenty of evidence that Black Lives Matter implies that only black lives matter to many who support the movement and don’t sully their hands by rioting (or protesting).Annie:
Not exactly. I am saying that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful and are not rioting. They define the movement. If asked, any one of them would disavow and condemn the violence a few are doing and self-proclaiming themselves part of the movement. What I am refuting is the implication by (name removed by moderator) that there is some sort of implicit or secret coordination between the bulk of the peaceful protesters and the those few doing violence. There is no evidence of that.
And all of those points are consistent with young black men consistently committing a disproportionate number of crimes, including being emboldened by the BLM movement to resist arrest when the police arrive – thus the “end up dead” result, which, by the way, is not higher than the numbers of other races that end up dead.
Note the gratuitous use of the terms “kowtow” and “mantra” to imply characteristics that are not being overtly argued, because they can’t be. But the terms evoke emotional responses without requiring objective support. Sneaky! But it would not win you points in a high school debate. In fact you would lose points.
That does not follow. A peaceful protest can certainly and justly be “sparked” for every action that goes against what the protest stands for. Consider the protests against the removal of Confederate statues. Were you similarly critical of all the “peaceful” protesters that showed up with their guns to “peacefully protest” every removal action that didn’t agree with? At least the BLM protesters are protesting the loss of life. The other protesters are protesting the loss of marble. Or what about the “peaceful” protesters that showed up at the Michigan state capital with their guns in tow, protesting the wearing of masks. Where were you when these protesters needed criticizing?
You don’t kill random black people just because some other black people committed crimes.
Right. Protesting the loss of lives that were arguably lost because of the ill-advised and illegal avoidance of arrests by officers that were sanctioned by laws created to keep the peace. The officers involved in those deaths are sworn to uphold the laws that law-abiding legislators have enacted. What gave those victims the judicial right to commit crimes and then try and avoid arrest? Oh right, the sanction of BLM and the Democrats to act as if they are above the law.
Those were indeed peaceful. Despite having guns they left buildings and lives intact showing clearly that law abiding gun owners act responsibly, unlike the Democrat sanctioned “peaceful” rioters (see video above) who have left death and mayhem in their wake. Their masks serve to make them less likely to be identified for their looting and destruction, even while those masks are ineffective at stopping the spread of Covid-19.
No, those are different people.
Mumbo jumbo to try to make a marble statue as important as a black life.
of which there are none.
Right. Go back and watch the litany of Democrat leaders calling for violence in the streets in the video I posted.HarryStotle:
of which there are none.
Which “leaders”? What specifically do you interpret as “calling for violence”?
Could you tell us what post that is or re-post the video please? Because it’s a lot of posts to look through to find it…
Sizable is a relative term. There were a sizable number of balloons in the last Thanksgiving Day parade, and there were a sizable number of people watching the parade. But one sizable is much bigger than the other one. This is also a useful analogy because the impact of one balloon on TV is a lot bigger than the impact of one spectator. So despite there being many fewer balloons than spectators, you remember the balloons more than you remember the spectators. Similarly, the impact, both visual and in real terms, of one rioter is much bigger than the impact of one peaceful protester. So it is easy to get the impression that they are comparable in size. They are not.
What evidence do you have that organizers of the peaceful protests are contracting with antifa and revcom for medics?
Are the so-called medics and security contracted? Are they contracted by the organizers of the protests, if indeed there are organizers? (I have heard that the protests are spontaneous outpourings, not organized protests…)
And that is why I used it. You have no evidence of the numbers of only-peaceful protesters relative to rioters-by-night, and neither do I.