What can we do about the shootings?

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So . . . One common denominator. And Not four.

They were all also willing to massacre, so there’s Two.

And “80%” of them committed the crime of menacing or intimidating, sometime before their massacre.
 
@BT3241
“I will also point out the enemies of the USA are laughing their asses off right now as we see the USA dividing and falling into chaos and falling into chaos.”

BT, please clarify what you mean when you say, “we.” Are you including yourself as an enemy of the US? And, if so, why?
 
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Please re-read his sentence that I quoted. He did not say “they;” indicating that others are our enemies; he said “we,” including himself.

I have changed my post to ask BT to clarify what he meant.
 
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YourNameHere said:
Are there any answers to be had, or do we just pray for the victims and wait for the next shooting to occur?
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Have you actually given into the secular idea that prayers are ineffective? Prayer is EXACTLY what we all need to be doing.
 
But then he would have used we instead of their when he talks about their laughing. By “we” he was likely refering to watching America’s destruction in a general manner that applies to all. This is pretty apt considering the news coverage.
 
Politicians have the power to do something about it but they usually don’t.
 
@VanitasVanitatum

Perhaps you’re correct, Vanitas. I can see now that your interpretation is possible. Hopefully, BT will clarify what he intended and I’ve misunderstood him.

Thank you for suggesting another way to look at the post. ❤️
 
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What can we do? Since many are “copycats”, doing this for notoriety, or became aware of mass murder via the media, we can sharply curtail the first amendment, which is being abused to death by the mass, for-profit media.

The second amendment has nothing to do with this. Fake news, glorifying violence (“If it bleeds, it leads”), promoting and provoking violence as a means of quick gratification - all are abuses of the first amendment.

Strict licensing, registration, government background checks for all mass-media outlets, all internet sites, every possible means of disseminating information. I mean, it all “could” lead to violence, right? And if even one life is saved, eliminating the first amendment is well worth it. thing.

Crazy?

About as crazy as penalizing those who do not commit crime because of those who do.

If we are going to assault freedom, let’s Let’s trash the amendments in sequence.
 
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James wrote that prayers and deeds are the answer. One without the other will not be effective.
I prayer every day.
But prayer alone is not enough.
It is up to us to reach out to others with love and to reach out to our elected officials to do something to help strength protections so that these shootings cease.
 
Politicians have become too steeped in their political rhetoric. Its not about left or right, it is about saving lives.
 
I don’t owe any explanations everything I said is true. My own personal thoughts are irreverent and will add nothing to the truth. The question was What can we do about the shootings and I claim nothing will be done because of the huge amount of money involved and profits to be made. I will be right like it or not.
 
That’s where you’re wrong. I love politics and gun policies especially and from my research I have concluded that regulations do not help prevent gun crime. In 90% of all mass shootings, the gun was acquired illegally. By having stricter regulation, you won’t prevent a majority of mass shootings. And the 10% that acquired legally? They bought the gun long before they even considered shooting up a school or concert. That means they would have passed background checks and mental health exams. Also, it is extremely easy to pass mental heath background checks. These tests will do virtually nothing to stop mass shootings. The best way to help stop mass shootings is to do the exact opposite, arm the people. A majority of mass shootings are in gun free zones like schools. Do you know why a gun show has never been shot up? Because he would be shot before he could inflict much, if any, damage. “Common sense” gun regulations are not the way. They are fallacies made up by stupid politicians who will ban guns just for looking scary. God bless.
 
While I did not read every post in the thread here are thoughts.

Christians don’t obey God’s laws, why would we expect people to obey man’s laws.

Criminals and people with mental issues are going to do what they want regardless of what the law says. Beyond that, it is part of being man. A rock was used when Cain killed Abel, would he have used a gun if it was available, possibly. It was out of selfishness that the act occurred, just like many of the ills in society today.

Blaming the tool instead of blaming the individual is not the right answer. If we simply do what Christ told us to do and love our neighbor as ourselves we could go a long way towards solving many of the issues that trouble man today.
 
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While I did not read every post in the thread here are thoughts.

Christians don’t obey God’s laws, why would we expect people to obey man’s laws.

Criminals and people with mental issues are going to do what they want regardless of what the law says. Beyond that, it is part of being man. A rock was used when Cain killed Abel, would he have used a gun if it was available, possibly. It was out of selfishness that the act occurred, just like many of the ills in society today.

Blaming the tool instead of blaming the individual is not the right answer. If we simply do what Christ told us to do and love our neighbor as ourselves we could go a long way towards solving many of the issues that trouble man today.
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So let’s get rid of all legislated preventative measures.

Let’s not require that doctors or lawyers have to obtain a licence before they are allowed to practice.

Let’s not require that drivers have to pass tests before they are allowed on the roads.

Let’s not require that nightclubs have to card people before they let them in to be sure they’re not serving alcohol to minors.

Let’s not require hunters to get permits in case they hunt animals to extinction.

Let’s not grant people restraining orders to prevent future violence against them.

Let’s not put health and safety laws in place to prevent injuries and accidents.

Let’s not have building codes so our houses and bridges don’t fall down around our ears.

Yes some people disobey all of the above laws. That’s no reason not to legislate - either preventatively or after the fact - in relation to risky behaviours.
 
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So let’s get rid of all legislated preventative measures.

Let’s not require that doctors or lawyers have to obtain a licence before they are allowed to practice.

Let’s not require that drivers have to pass tests before they are allowed on the roads.

Let’s not require that nightclubs have to card people before they let them in to be sure they’re not serving alcohol to minors.

Let’s not require hunters to get permits in case they hunt animals to extinction.

Let’s not grant people restraining orders to prevent future violence against them.

Let’s not put health and safety laws in place to prevent injuries and accidents.

Let’s not have building codes so our houses and bridges don’t fall down around our ears.

Yes some people disobey all of the above laws. That’s no reason not to legislate - either preventatively or after the fact - in relation to risky behaviours.
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None of what you stated is enumerated in the Constitution, so it is pointless to bring up those things. There are lots and lots of laws regarding firearms. Look them up if you aren’t familiar with them. Owning a firearm isn’t risky. The tool will never, ever do any damage absent being messed with by a person, no different than an automobile. One difference however is that you have no right to own or operate an automobile.

Do you think Simon Peter had a license to carry his sword, or do you think that the right of self preservation is granted by God himself? I believe it is granted by God.
 
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I believe that law-abiding citizens have the right to own a hunting rifle and/or shotgun. I do not like the idea of pistols, but I know some who life them for self-defense.
What I do not understand is why some thing they need to own a semi-automatic weapon or something like an assault weapon.
Background checks. What is wrong with that?
Actually, I have no problem with gun registration.
I would like to see some sort of course for those who buy a gun. Kind of like a driver’s license.
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The ability to operate a vehicle is not granted by the Constitution or God. Bad comparison.

As far as the reference to hunting rifles and shotguns. Read the 2nd Amendment. It says nothing about hunting since it has nothing to do with hunting. Bad argument.

I wish people would spend a little more time learning about the Constitution. Well regulated doesn’t mean putting regulations on the types of firearms which are available to citizens. It refers to the fact the members of the militia (able bodied men ages 17 to 45) should be familiar with firearms which are common for use in the defense of the nation. IE/what the military would use.

It would do no good to call up the militia and have all the guys show up with pitch forks and garden hoes. They were meant to show up with a practical firearm in working condition that could be used for battle. It needed to be in a common caliber, able to use common powder/patches.

Folks really should educate themselves about firearms and what current laws are on the books regarding them and their ownership.
 
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