What Changes Would You Make To The NO Mass ?

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Assuming the NO is here to stay for now as the Pope has indicated, what changes, if any, would you make if you were in a position to do so ?

One I would make is to forbid anouncements during the collection.
My parish priests say the NO with reverence, but during the collection, the lectors make anouncements from the bulletin. I’ve noticed it at other NO parishes as well. I feel it takes the faithfuls’ attention away from the mass itself.
 
The abolishment of the indult for the use of vernacular, mandating the use of Ad orientum Altars, the abolishment of the indult for Communion in the hand, forbidding the use of lay ministers and Altar girls, a complete overhaul of prayers, both Ordinary and Propers, to make them in line with the Tridentine Mass, going back to a one-year cycle of readings, the restoration of the Subdiaconate and Minor orders, and other similar changes.

Might as well just have the Tridentine 😉
 
Gosh, I don’t know… Our Mass is pretty straight forward soooooo

This might be more of a pet peeve…

I’d like to forbid Sneakers on the Servers. The ones they make today are HUGE and look terrible.
I’d also like to see better training for the servers. They just don’t have that concentration and presence we had as youngsters.

I think I would like to see more kneeling between consectration and Communion. Move the Sign of Peace to earlier, make it part of the offetory. After all we are “Offering” each other a sign of peace.

James
 
I would like the sign of peace given at the start of the Mass.
 
First and foremost, get rid of communion in the hand, make everyone kneel to receive and absolutely NO Eucharistic Ministers.

The rest, in no particular order:

Incense to be used every Sunday.
Tabernacle must be front and center.
Priest should face the tabernacle for most of the Mass.
Toss out the altar table.
Sunday mass has to be chanted/sung.
Traditional hymns only.
Roman Canon/Eucharistic Prayer No. 1 ONLY.
Choir cannot be in front of the people, unless in a side grotto.
Use of Latin for the most ordinary parts.
Dress code…and women must be veiled.
The priest cannot ad-lib an opening greeting.
Prayers at the foot of the altar for both priest and altar servers.

On the flip side:

I have no problem with the use of the vernacular, lectors, the sign of peace, the people making all responses, three readings, the responsorial psalm, bringing up the gifts and altar girls when there are absolutely no boys available.
 
This thread further proves how lacking the Novus Ordo service is.

The only change that can rectify most of the problems with the Novus Ordo service would be to make it more like the Tridentine Mass.

:newidea:
Yeah that’s it!! Change the Novus Ordo service into Tridentine Mass . 🙂

The changes would not be insurmountable since we have access to the Tridentine Mass;)
 
ThereCanBeOnly1 said:
**This thread further proves how lacking the Novus Ordo service is. **
The only change that can rectify most of the problems with the Novus Ordo service would be to make it more like the Tridentine Mass.

:newidea:
Yeah that’s it!! Change the Novus Ordo service into Tridentine Mass . 🙂

The changes would not be insurmountable since we have access to the Tridentine Mass;)
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Gee - What a surprise given the thread is on a traditional Catholic board.
 
Magnum_V8 said:
First and foremost, get rid of communion in the hand, make everyone kneel to receive and absolutely NO Eucharistic Ministers.

The rest, in no particular order:

Incense to be used every Sunday.
Tabernacle must be front and center.
Priest should face the tabernacle for most of the Mass.
Toss out the altar table.
Sunday mass has to be chanted/sung.
Traditional hymns only.
Roman Canon/Eucharistic Prayer No. 1 ONLY.
Choir cannot be in front of the people, unless in a side grotto.
Use of Latin for the most ordinary parts.
Dress code…and women must be veiled.
The priest cannot ad-lib an opening greeting.
Prayers at the foot of the altar for both priest and altar servers.

On the flip side:

I have no problem with the use of the vernacular, lectors, the sign of peace, the people making all responses, three readings, the responsorial psalm, bringing up the gifts and altar girls when there are absolutely no boys available.
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I didn’t think about the tabernacle in my first post because I didn’t think of this as “part of the NO” Mass, but I totally agree!!!👍
We are lucky in that our tabernacle is out in the open on the right side of the sanctuary. We always sit on that side of the Church out of reverence to His presence there.

James
 
It doesn’t matter what I want, but what God wants, so in other words, just throw out the N.O. Mass altogether.
 
Magnum_V8 said:
First and foremost, get rid of communion in the hand, make everyone kneel to receive and absolutely NO Eucharistic Ministers.
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Absolutely, the most important part of mass is reverence for the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
 
I would like to see the following:

1.Kyrie in Greek

2.Sanctus, Agnus Dei, Gloria, and words of Consecration in Latin (the rest of the Mass could be in an approved vernacular translation)

3.Priest facing away at least during Consecration

4.Communion on the tongue and kneeling (unless prevented by physical disability)

5.A regulation of hymns used during the Mass and a return to all organ music
 
Magnum_V8 said:
First and foremost, get rid of communion in the hand, make everyone kneel to receive and absolutely NO Eucharistic Ministers.

The rest, in no particular order:

Incense to be used every Sunday.
Tabernacle must be front and center.
Priest should face the tabernacle for most of the Mass.
Toss out the altar table.
Sunday mass has to be chanted/sung.
Traditional hymns only.
Roman Canon/Eucharistic Prayer No. 1 ONLY.
Choir cannot be in front of the people, unless in a side grotto.
Use of Latin for the most ordinary parts.
Dress code…and women must be veiled.
The priest cannot ad-lib an opening greeting.
Prayers at the foot of the altar for both priest and altar servers.

On the flip side:

I have no problem with the use of the vernacular, lectors, the sign of peace, the people making all responses, three readings, the responsorial psalm, bringing up the gifts and altar girls when there are absolutely no boys available.
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I agree with everything you said, except completely forbid altar girls in all instances, there’s no age limit on altar servers that I know of. Also, young men and boys can be persuaded to be altar servers, they just need some encouragement, that’s all.
 
In otherwords, exactly how St. Agnes Parish has their Solemn Latin Novus Ordo High masses. See here at stagnes.net/
 
Originally Posted by Magnum V8 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*First and foremost, get rid of communion in the hand, make everyone kneel to receive and absolutely NO Eucharistic Ministers.

The rest, in no particular order:

Incense to be used every Sunday.
Tabernacle must be front and center.
Priest should face the tabernacle for most of the Mass.
Toss out the altar table.
Sunday mass has to be chanted/sung.
Traditional hymns only.
Roman Canon/Eucharistic Prayer No. 1 ONLY.
Choir cannot be in front of the people, unless in a side grotto.
Use of Latin for the most ordinary parts.
Dress code…and women must be veiled.
The priest cannot ad-lib an opening greeting.
Prayers at the foot of the altar for both priest and altar servers*
Good topic of discussion:
It would be nice if we could do many of the these items on a regular basis but…
There are many people in our congregations that have allergic reactions to the use of incense.
It would be great if the tabernacle could be front and center but I had a respected priest advise me once when I made that same pronouncement that the tabernacle is not front and center in St Peter’s Basilica. I know that in many of our diocesan cathedrals the tabernacle is in a side chapel off of the main sanctuary displayed very reverently.
Many have suggested that the Church do away with the reception of the Holy Eucharist in the hand–I think this would be unfortunate as our Lord I would be pretty certain gave the unleavened bread to the apostles in the hand and not on the tongue.
It would be wonderful if we had enough priests and deacons around to eliminate the use of Extra-ordinary ministers of the Eucharist but unfortunately there aren’t so I would like to suggest that we keep them for now–and pray for growth in vocations to those called to Holy Orders.
I don’t think that the Novus Ordo Mass needs much content adjustment I think what is lacking is the pious and reverence of everyone’s demeanor, including priests, deacons and all lay people in the pews. It seems as though we have forgotten why we truly go to Mass!
Lastly, my comment would be that the Mass was created for man not man for the Mass.
Thanks and keep up the great threads!
*Camp Pueblano *
 
traditio88 said:
It doesn’t matter what I want, but what God wants, so in other words, just throw out the N.O. Mass altogether.
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is this a joke? can’t tell… otherwise, if it’s not, kinda questionable comment, wouldn’t you say?
 
JRKH said:
Gee - What a surprise given the thread is on a traditional Catholic board.
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Gee good insight!

The question was posed and we answered! You do not have to like the replies, but that is not important to the Post. Just try and address the OP and that should suppress any confusion.😉
 
I’d make changes to re-emphasize the historical purpose of the Mass (ie, a sacrifice that the priest and congregation participate in, as the body of Christ). The general structure of the NO mass emphasizes the communal meal and worship. I don’t mind the communal aspect, as long as the community itself is not the focus, but rather uniting our intentions with the Priest at the sacrifice.

I’m not sure how to do that. Reintroducing some of the TLM prayers might help, and I’d like to have the bells at the consecration. Having the Priest ad orientum may reduce the tendency for the Mass to be a “show”. But I’d really be happy with better catechesis in the homilies. I don’t think that the homilies being a little … bland … is automatically a fault of the N.O. but perhaps when Priest’s are in training for the TLM they are taught by their instructors to have more “Catholic 101” in their lectures. At least more than at N.O. seminaries.

Seems that way to me, anyway.
 
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(1) Put Jesus back in the sanctuary.
(2) Give the altar servers something to do. Right now, they don’t do much. Contrast the NO servers to the TLM servers and you know what I mean.
(3) Everything from the Dominus Vobiscum at the start of the Preface to the Angus Dei in Latin. Everything else, including the readings, may be in the vernacular.
(4) I WANT THE LAST GOSPEL IN EVERY MASS! This is non-negotiable.
(5) We genuflect during the Creed all the time and not just on 3/25.
(6) I don’t mind songs in the vernacular, just stop the clock in 1966. No music that was created after that date is allowed. Guitars are to be left outside, as are tamboureens and other stuff found in “folk masses”.
(7) Altar rails. Kneel to receive the Lord your God. Communion on the tongue. I am not worthy to touch the Lord my God.
(8) LIMITED, very LIMITED use of EMHC. There seems to be a rush to get up there and it seems to me that humilty is lacking. Should they all kneel during the “Behold the Lamb of God”? See #7. Priests’ fingers have been anointed. I don’t think EMHC’s have.
(9) The Our Father ends with “and deliver us from evil.” If you want the rest, you know what church to attend.
(10) Prayers at the foot of the altar. Start the Mass expressing your humility to God.
(11) Eliminate the Sign of Peace. Nice idea, but it seemed to be an excuse for the priest to go trotting around the church kissing all the women. Not the idea, nor the image I want a priest to convey. Now, if you do something along the lines of the Priest/Deacon/subDeacon in a Solemn High Mass, then maybe.

The Mass should be ad orientum, but the architeture of the churches may rend this impossible.
 
Camp Pueblano:
It would be great if the tabernacle could be front and center but I had a respected priest advise me once when I made that same pronouncement that the tabernacle is not front and center in St Peter’s Basilica. I know that in many of our diocesan cathedrals the tabernacle is in a side chapel off of the main sanctuary displayed very reverently.

Camp Pueblano
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You bring up a good point, but I just mentioned that the tabernacle should be front and center because I prefer the priest to face It. And, of course, I want to see the priest front and center rather than in a side chapel or grotto.

Personally, for me, I spend most of my time at Mass looking at the tabernacle, adoring the hidden Blessed Sacrament.
Many have suggested that the Church do away with the reception of the Holy Eucharist in the hand–I think this would be unfortunate as our Lord I would be pretty certain gave the unleavened bread to the apostles in the hand and not on the tongue.
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Yes, the Apostles received it in their hands. We are not representative of the Apostles; the priests are. Therefore, it is fully agreeable that the priests can have it in their hand. We, on the other hand, are not ordained ministers.

I have to confess that my judgment call on the EMHC’s is based on personal perspective, being part of a church where only 30-40 people attend Sunday Mass. An EMHC is not necessary there. I guess my opinion would be different for a largely attended parish that housed only one priest. But, even then, the EMHC should be very well trained, and totally reverent.

I agree that the most important thing is for all present to have a most reverent and respectful disposition. But why is this disposition so prevalent in Tridentine Masses and lacking considerably in so many Novus Ordo Masses?
 
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