What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

[frangiuliano115]

I was protestant and I beg to differ about everyone in the same church will agree on a set of doctrine. Just not my experience. My own mother goes to Calvary chapel and she told me she does not adhere to their teachings exactly. Probably because she believes God speaks to her personally. My point is that you will get a lot of what I just described in Non-denomination protestant churches. The only truth that they will all agree on 100% is their belief in Sola Scriptura. Even though most wont even know that what they believe is called Sola Scriptura lol.

The other factor is that a lot more people are most likely to believe the same thing in a church of a few hundred when compared to a parish with a few thousands. Denomination with a few million people… Catholic Church with 1.2 BIllion people…

Thank you, it is good to be home

Yeah. Your last pp is correct!

 

[frangiuliano115]

I don’t mind you answering after all this is a public thread. Jesus said He did not come to abolish this would mean the priesthood as well. We have the sacrifice of the mass which Jesus instituted. I find it hard to mistake Jesus intent of not continuing to do as He did since He states “Do this in memory of me?” Hebrews states Jesus as being the High Priest according to the priesthood of Melchisedech. What it doesn’t infer that the priesthood ended with Jesus.

The Eucharist was in memory of Him. This is what He instituted. The Mass developed over time.

Anyway, I was explaining the protestant position since he wasn’t answering and posts do get lost after a while.

Jesus didn’t come to abolish but to fulfill. It means to make complete, to make perfect, to make it more as God originally wanted it to be.

There were priests, judges, kings, prophets. I’m just wondering what God wanted originally. Will be thinking about that.

Fran

 

[PJM]

=Wannano;13468247]What I find intriguing is this:

Jesus came proclaiming the simplist of messages, “follow me”, “believe in Me”, “I and the Father are one”, “ye must be born again”, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me”. He was homeless, not even having a pillow for is head. He railed against the established heiriarchal religious system. His message was one of love and the need for man to allow Him to reside in their hearts and lives. His kingdom “was not of this world” He said. Then He gave the keys to Peter and established a heiriarchal church, has guided it without error into centuries of luxury, friendships with earthly rulers, councils and bishops introducing doctrines and practices into the present age.

I hesitated to post this thread but what am I missing?

THANKS for posting!

Here dear friend is what you’re missing

Truth, not dissimilar to God is single tense.

Pope Benedict XVI said this:
“There cannot be your truth and my truth or their would be no truth”

Just as Yahweh choose just One chosen people Exo. 6:7; insisted on only His One set of faith beliefs and One God; so too Jesus followed this; his own tradition by establishing just One Church “MY Church” Mt. 16:18 "That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "

Not one time; not even once anywhere in the Bible did Gd ever suggest that he would tolerate competing faiths. With utter consistancy; never once varying because even God has to accept the fact that TRUTH has to be singular per defined issue.

The Bible holds and articulates in many palces and various ways that:

True God is One [the 1st Commandment]

That He God would only accept what He taught as HIS Faith beliefs:

Mt. 28: 18-20 "And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.

And just as God in the OT choose only One people; so to Jesus founded just One “people” that He CALLED “MY CHURCH”

Both in the OT and NT God choose just ONE for a very precise and prudent reason: by giving humanity just ONE true choice it ought to be easier foe them to discover what he God desires, mandates and commands:thumbsup:

Pray about it,

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

=Wannano;13468270]Sorry, I have been to numerous masses but it never gave me the answer.

Well friend, ask ME and I promise you an answer:thumbsup: *

And I can agree with you; Dare I say “just” going to Mass without some level of understanding of what is taking place; & Why and HOW; would, I think create more questions than it can answer

God Bless you,

Patrick*

 

[Michael68]

Since you ask, the thing that seems strange to me is why a human priest must stand daily at an altar to offer a “a sacrifice at his hands”. If one is to believe and rest in the finished work of Christ, then it would seem well to avoid all appearance of adding to it.

Second is the need for a separate priesthood. The reason for setting aside the Levitical priesthood was because of sin and a because a sinful people could no approach a holy God. But now that sin has been atoned for and put away forever and we are no longer separated from God as in the OT then why do we still need a separate priesthood to do spiritual things for us?

I don’t understand it.

Jesus is not re sacrificed at Mass. He offers Himself to us in the Holy Eucharist. The sacrifice you are speaking of is bread and wine

 

[PJM]

=eazyduzit;13468328]Since you ask, the thing that seems strange to me is why a human priest must stand daily at an altar to offer a “a sacrifice at his hands”. If one is to believe and rest in the finished work of Christ, then it would seem well to avoid all appearance of adding to it.

WHY? Because Jesus Himself commanded it:thumbsup:
Lk. 22: 17-23 “And having taken the chalice, he gave thanks, and said: Take, and divide it among you: For I say to you, that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, till the kingdom of God come. And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: [YOU!] This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.”

same also in: Mt. 26: 26-28; Mk. 14: 22-24; John 6:41-56; & Paul 1st. Cor. 11:23-30

Catholic Eucharist is:
FROM God the Father
OF God the Son
BY God the Holy Spirit

Eucharist is the “RE-presentation”; that is making the original Sacrifice of Christ PRESENT time and time again. Because Even Jesus in His human nature can die only one time. This is a Mystery and a dual set of miracles:

1st Miracle the priest is mysteriously transformed into 'Alter Christi" [another CHRIST] at the very instant of the Consecration.
2nd Miracle:What WAS ordinary bread is transubstanuated [a theoligical term] in to the REAL Body, Soul and Divinity of Jesus [GLORIFED Body] & and the ordinary wine become they very Blood of Jesus:

Jn. 6: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him

NOTE VERSE 56. Friend, How can God have been more precise in the WORDS HE choose:shrug: And verse 57 is precisely what DOES take place in Catholic Holy Communion

Second is the need for a separate priesthood. The reason for setting aside the Levitical priesthood was because of sin and a because a sinful people could no approach a holy God. But now that sin has been atoned for and put away forever and we are no longer separated from God as in the OT then why do we still need a separate priesthood to do spiritual things for us?

The Levitical priest hood was in several CRITICALLY important way’s inferior to the Catholic Priesthood; established by Jesus at the Last Supper along with the Eucharist: one cannot exist without the other. Eucharist is “the sum and the SUMMIT” of Catholicism!

They offered sacrifices to God as commanded [imperfect]

Catholic Priest Offer Up God to GOD as commanded! [absolutely PERFECT!]

Leviticus priest 'covered over" the sins of their penitents. God accepted this THEN ;NOT NOW!] because it was before Grace:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you;** for you are not under the law, but under grace**.

**Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering." … Lev.6:7 **“and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."

NOW under Grace:

Jn. 20: 19-23 "He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Once again I ask:

How can God have been more precise in the language he choose? AS MY Father sent Me; NOW I God send you!"

For the doubters out there:

Mt 10: 1-2 & 8

1] And having called his twelve disciples together,** he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities**. [2] And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, [8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give"

I don’t understand it.

With prayer my friend this could increase your right understanding:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[guanophore]

I call BS. No Catholic who has a clue will ever worship Mary.

Are you protestant?

I think Fran was responding to a different post.

No, she is not a Protestant. She is a Catholic Catechist with many Protestant sounding ideas.

Marian Apparitions.

Shouldn’t it be Jesus appearing to everyone? Why Mary?

Jesus knows what we need. If we need to see Him, He will appear. If we need His Mother, He will send her.

This is so interesting.

Intentional sins = Repenting. Changing the direction you’re headed, turning the other way.
No need for sacrifice. You ask God directly for forgiveness.

Unintentional sins = Sacrifice is necessary.

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Unintentional sins = Original Sin, not imputed persoally - sacrifice is necessary - Jesus
Intentional sins = confession /catholics to a priest - protestants directly to God as in Judaism.

Let me role that around for a while!

Thanks a lot.

Fran

I have to admit, it does sound upside down and backwards!

 I'm sorry, I mean, the kneeling is a sign of respect but the rest got it all started.

I can see how many non-Catholics misunderstand that we worship saints.

  They also understand that private or personal revelation is just that and it is not used for teaching.  In the catholic church it is - I never really agreed with this but that's my own personal opinion.

Did you teach catechism from private revelation? I thought that was not appropriate? I think the Church allows/promotes certain private devotions because they are deemed not harmful to the faithful, but the Teaching is that belief or adherance to any private devotions is not required (except perhaps for the recipient).

It seems to me that there is plenty of material in the public revelation that needs to be taught that we dont’ need to include private revelations. Is it possible that we agree!?:bigyikes:

The catholic church has started bible lessons and i believe in the future there may be more consensus. A new Monsignor at a parish near me has started a bible study on the book of Mathew. He said he’s going to get the people attending (about 40) from Moses to Jesus but he did say that it wouldn’t be easy. Many of us are stuck in the Law and don’t even know it.

Scripture study is certainly one area that we need to catch up with our separated brethren.

Where did Jesus command and require a priesthood to conduct rituals on behalf of those who have faith in Him?

He set up the pattern in the OT, then during His lifetime He called, trained, and consecrated priests to minister to His flock.

Where are there comma ds in the NT that reference a need or continuation of a sacrificial priesthood required to perform rituals and rites be conducted in order to receive the mercy and grace directly from. The Fathers Hand?
Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, no human mediator, no priest other than Christ is worthy. He and He alone.

You are right that Jesus is our great High Priest. Those priests who are called to serve Him in that capacity are caught up in the priesthood of Christ.

However, it is wrong to say that “rites need to be conducted in order to receive mercy and grace directly from HIm”. Jesus gave us the sacraments as a way of grace to flow, but He is not dependent upon them in order to dispense mercy and grace.

The priesthood of Christ is not modeled after the Levitical, but after the priesthood of Melchizedek.

With prayer my friend this could increase your right understanding:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

Great job on your posts! Quality Apologetics in process.

 

[PJM]

=Wannano;13468338]Thanks, when I was in Europe we visited numerous elaborate churches. I have to admit it did not do much for me, I rather was aghast at the thought of peasants being taxed to the hilt to build golden edifices. I am afraid fancy churches often keep people at bay since churches of all denominations have a (maybe not always justified) reputation of money,money money

It is my take that He came to fulfill the Law and that He was the ultimate sacrifice. I tend to beleive that He did not come to start a new religion , rather to change men’s hearts and make His dwelling there.

My friend

PLEASE do yourself, your’re Soul and you’re faith a great good; READ what God Himself COMMANDED of Moses in building the Ark of the Covenant to GOD"S OWN SPECS.

Here are a few short hints:

Exodus 25:13
Thou shalt make bars also of setim wood, and shalt overlay them with gold.

Exodus 25:29
Thou shalt prepare also dishes, and bowls, censers, and cups, wherein the libations are to be offered of the purest gold.

Exodus 25:39
The whole weight of the candlestick with all the furniture thereof shall be a talent of the purest gold.

WHY dear friend do you suppose this is?

IT IS because God is Perfect:
Matthew 5:48
Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.

God always and every time desires the very BEST that we can offer to and for him; what ever that “best” might due to circumstances be:thumbsup:

The “Sabbath is for man” BUT God’s HOUSE id for GOD Amen!

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

=Seekerjn316;13468351]This is my issue as well. He was against the hierarchial requirements put forth in Judaism… It was understood he preached against the need of a temple, where sacrifices and rituals occurred and layers and layers of requirements needed to come to God…those he came to remove.

We didn’t exchange one set of rituals for another set of rituals…We now have access to God without the he need of rituals performed by another on our behalf…I do T understand why more layers of barriers are placed between us and Godl?

Not according to Christ you don’t.

Please read the 4 or 5 replies I just posted. Then if you still have questions, PLEASE ask me again *

God Bless you,

Patrick*

 

[TonyBS]

Eucharist is the “RE-presentation”; that is making the original Sacrifice of Christ PRESENT time and time again. Because Even Jesus in His human nature can die only one time. This is a Mystery and a dual set of miracles:

1st Miracle the priest is mysteriously transformed into 'Alter Christi" [another CHRIST] at the very instant of the Consecration.
2nd Miracle:What WAS ordinary bread is transubstanuated [a theoligical term] in to the REAL Body, Soul and Divinity of Jesus [GLORIFED Body] & and the ordinary wine become they very Blood of Jesus:

Jn. 6: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him

NOTE VERSE 56. Friend, How can God have been more precise in the WORDS HE choose:shrug: And verse 57 is precisely what DOES take place in Catholic Holy Communion

Patrick - I Have always liked the Spiritual Truths enshrined in those Biblical Verses and take them to heart.

In the end it is still a spiritual understanding that prevails, as the miraculous changes you noted, do not actually happen, or are you saying they do?

Another question I would ask, is there really a Priest that would consider this to be so? “1st Miracle - The priest is mysteriously transformed into 'Alter Christi” [another CHRIST] at the very instant of the Consecration. Would they think they are are “Anointed by God”.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[frangiuliano115]

I think Fran was responding to a different post.

No, she is not a Protestant. She is a Catholic Catechist with many Protestant sounding ideas.

Jesus knows what we need. If we need to see Him, He will appear. If we need His Mother, He will send her.

I have to admit, it does sound upside down and backwards!

I can see how many non-Catholics misunderstand that we worship saints.

Did you teach catechism from private revelation? I thought that was not appropriate? I think the Church allows/promotes certain private devotions because they are deemed not harmful to the faithful, but the Teaching is that belief or adherance to any private devotions is not required (except perhaps for the recipient).

It seems to me that there is plenty of material in the public revelation that needs to be taught that we dont’ need to include private revelations. Is it possible that we agree!?:bigyikes:

Scripture study is certainly one area that we need to catch up with our separated brethren.

He set up the pattern in the OT, then during His lifetime He called, trained, and consecrated priests to minister to His flock.

You are right that Jesus is our great High Priest. Those priests who are called to serve Him in that capacity are caught up in the priesthood of Christ.

However, it is wrong to say that “rites need to be conducted in order to receive mercy and grace directly from HIm”. Jesus gave us the sacraments as a way of grace to flow, but He is not dependent upon them in order to dispense mercy and grace.

The priesthood of Christ is not modeled after the Levitical, but after the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Great job on your posts! Quality Apologetics in process.

“Let Me Roll That Around For A While” means Meltzer Boy has given me food for thought.
(THAT was a personal reveliation).
Many Catholics don’t understand you’re not supposed to worship saints.
You’re not supposed to teach from private revelation. Unless it’s in line with church teachng and you just quickly want to make a good point.

 

[meltzerboy]

Because space is limited here on CAF, I can only offer a few points. So PLEASE look for a private message from me

Marian devotions are NOT mandated. They are optional forms of PERSONAL piety in so far as Praying THROUGH her.ALL prayers are intended to end with God! We do honor her Feast day’s.

Are you aware dear friend that what we Catholics do is actually what Christ Desires of us?

John 19:28
“Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst”
This was one of they very last WORDS Jesus used in teaching US. Certainly He was NOT asking for a drink of water mere moments before His Death! NO! What He was saying here is that despite all that He had aready done; Jesus DESIRED to do still more.

**That MORE took several Forms:

The Holy Spirit [If I don’t leave you I cannot sen Him]

The Church left with ALL of the Keys to heavens single gate

His Mother; because no one; not even God can deny her hearts request!**

Jn 19: 25-27
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother.

Note of the WORDS. Jesus did not say “Mother”; He used the universal term WOMEN

This passage teaches us that in His desire to do MORE; Jesus gives us HIS Mother as OUR Mother

God did not HAVE to do this.

**Mt. 10: 1-2 **"And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, The names of the twelve apostles are these: First, Simon who is called Peter"

God choose to share His Power with THEM

Mt 16: 18-19 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this[YOU PETER] rock I will build my church,[SINGULAR!] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee [All Of] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”

1 st Cor. 11: 23-24 ".For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, Jesus took bread. [24] And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: [YOU!] Do this in commemoration of me.

Jn. 20:21-2321]** He said therefore to them again. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you!** When he had said this, he breathed on them** Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain, are retained. "**

I assume that you’re speaking of the 7 Sacraments instituted by God to GIVE Grace to aid us in meriting heaven. THIS is why there are many times more Catholics in heaven than any other faith.
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The Church is in a Theological terms “another Christ” TRUTH is singular

You’re attempting to DICTATE to you’re GOD what HE must do to make YOU happy.

Your misinformed, as I understand you to state it.

**Isa 55:8-9 **"For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts…

The Only Sacrifice Offered by the Priest is NOT a replication of OT practice. They offered sacrifices To God:

Catholic Priest R as instructed by Jesus: DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME!

Is the Eucharist [Jesus Himself] at Mass

EUCHARIST IS

BY God the Father
OF God the Son
BY God the Holy Spirit

GRACE defined by Fr. Hardon’s Dictionary:.
“In biblical language the condescension or benevolence (Greek charis) shown by God toward the human race; it is also the unmerited gift proceeding from this benevolent disposition…As the Church has come to explain the meaning of grace, Grace is the supernatural gift that God, of his free benevolence, bestows on rational creatures for their eternal salvation.”

See also ACTUAL GRACE, EFFICACIOUS GRACE, HABITUAL GRACE, JUSTIFYING GRACE, SACRAMENTAL GRACE, SANCTIFYING GRACE, SUFFICIENT GRACE"

You’re speaking only of ONE FORM of Grace, of which there are many. HOWEVER

Sacramental Grace is the only form that I AM aware of the God permits humanity to in a sense control both how much Grace is Offered and thenhow much Grace is conditionally received.

I do wish I had more space. GREAT questions, thanks,

Patrick.

"Papal infallibility… To name a few.

In what sense do Christians (including Catholics) believe that Jesus has a (human) Mother? Is it Jesus as G-d Who has a Mother, Jesus only as human being Who has a Mother, Jesus the Incarnate Word of G-d Who has a Mother, or Jesus as hypostatic union of G-d and man Who has a Mother? If all of the above, is it really possible for G-d in any Person of the Trinity to have a Mother? This may be easy to answer for a learned Catholic but I find it difficult to understand.

 

[adrift]

The Eucharist was in memory of Him. This is what He instituted. The Mass developed over time.

You realize that when I stated that Jesus instituted the sacrifice of the Mass I was referring to the Eucharist? The Eucharist is not possible without a priesthood.

Anyway, I was explaining the protestant position since he wasn’t answering and posts do get lost after a while.

I understood this

Jesus didn’t come to abolish but to fulfill. It means to make complete, to make perfect, to make it more as God originally wanted it to be.

There were priests, judges, kings, prophets. I’m just wondering what God wanted originally. Will be thinking about that.

Fran

You make it seem that God failed. God’s plan did not fail. Every sacrament began in the Old Testament They were made complete in the New. There completion could not be accomplished until the cross.

 

[PJM]

=Petaro;13468431]Depends on your definition of strange. I find the Trinity strange. I find the Blessed Eucharist strange. I find God made Man strange. I find His death strange. Now don’t get me started on the Resurrection!
We must use our best intellectual endeavours to probe these “mysteries” yet rely on the foolishness of our Faith for our salvation.
Issues of Church bureaucracy; wealth; personal failures; pale into insignificance against the “strange” of its basic teachings.
However as Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.”

Profoundly beautiful,

Thank you and God Bless,

Patrick

 

[adrift]

“Let Me Roll That Around For A While” means Meltzer Boy has given me food for thought.
(THAT was a personal reveliation).
Many Catholics don’t understand you’re not supposed to worship saints.
You’re not supposed to teach from private revelation. Unless it’s in line with church teachng and you just quickly want to make a good point.

Am I understanding you correctly that you believe that there are many Catholics who worship saints?

You know many Catholics who regards saints as gods?

I have never met such a Catholic.

 

[adrift]

In what sense do Christians (including Catholics) believe that Jesus has a (human) Mother? Is it Jesus as G-d Who has a Mother, Jesus only as human being Who has a Mother, Jesus the Incarnate Word of G-d Who has a Mother, or Jesus as hypostatic union of G-d and man Who has a Mother? If all of the above, is it really possible for G-d in any Person of the Trinity to have a Mother? This may be easy to answer for a learned Catholic but I find it difficult to understand.

Mary: Mother of God

 

[PJM]

=SalusaSecondus;13468465]Yes. And please don’t take offense, but why do many Catholics seem bent towards superstition and sign seeking. Observing the images of Mary or Christ in overpasses and grilled cheese sandwiches etc. Then hundreds flock to the overpass to be close to the holy water stain. When I went to Mexico this behavior seemed to be even more intense amongst the Catholics. Is this as tawdry and offensive to you as it is to me?

My dear friend in Christ, no offense taken I’m grateful for the opportunity to at least attemp to clear up you’re issues.

The first issue though don’t understand. I’m a 71 year old life long Catholic who has been very active in teaching, and when called defending our Faith for more than 30 years. I can’t ever reacall however having to explain our beliefs and practices as superstition? Perhaps you can be more specific.

As for you’re second point. I can assure that we informed and practicing Catholics find these WEIRD things to be every bit as strange as do you. Much of this is FED by the secular press who seem always eager to cast aspersions on the RCC in hopes to somehow inflict that MORTAL wound that will finally kill her off:shrug:.

Mt. 16:18 “And the gate of hell shall never prevail against Her.”

Catholicism has over One Billion members; scattered all over the world… One I guess ought to expect some fringe strangeness?

Thank you for you’re post, God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[Michael68]

I for one am offended by someone describing Catholicism as superstition and looking for signs!!! That is beyond absurd and totally uncalled for!!!

 

[adamhovey1988]

My dear friends in Christ;

What if anything do you find stange anout the Catholic Church/ Catholic Faith?

God Bless you,

Patrick

Nothing strange with the faith. But I do find some individual Catholics strange in the fact that many don’t seem to actually believe their faith. That I find strange.

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

Yes. And please don’t take offense, but why do many Catholics seem bent towards superstition and sign seeking. Observing the images of Mary or Christ in overpasses and grilled cheese sandwiches etc. Then hundreds flock to the overpass to be close to the holy water stain. When I went to Mexico this behavior seemed to be even more intense amongst the Catholics. Is this as tawdry and offensive to you as it is to me?

As a Mexican american, I see this behavior more among Mexicans than White Catholics for some reason myself. Why is it that it is always Mexicans seeing The Virgin Mary in food? LOL

That said, I use to be a protestant (Non denominational, Pentecostal, Lutheran) and The End time prophesy craze and “The Rapture” is where is see the equivalent in weird sign seeking among non-Catholic Christians. The many way out there theories I have heard over the years.