What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

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Before I converted I found the seriousness, stillness and silences of Mass strange. Now I appreciate the reverence and respect shown to the altar and eucharist. I came from a singing/dancing in the aisles church. Bands on stage etc.

Lifelong Catholics I’ve met expect me to say “Mary” but I had no problem with the reverence shown to Mary as per the Commandment to honor thy parents. If Jesus honored and respected her, it was good enough for me.
 
Someone (not myself) was once told “You’re obviously not a Catholic if you refer to the Blessed Mother as Mary.” But I digress.
Interesting as the parishioners at my parish refer to her as Mary. I don’t think that I have ever referred to Mary as Blessed Mother while speaking of her. Guess it must not be a Catholic parish I must inform the pastor. 😛
 
Dear Fran - To keep with this thread this is something I could consider strange about Catholicism and for this reason.

I of course appreciate you consider Jesus was the Last sacrifice, it may be worth considering that history has recorded a few more since then and apart from One which mirrored Jesus the Christs Sacrifice to save us from Sin (Bab), two others covered 23 years (Muhammad) and 40 years (Baha’u’llah) of Sacrificing all for the Knowledge and Love of God. Each of these messages were revealed for us to consider that we must consider the message was to turn us from our ways, and there was more to come…"so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Would you also not find it strange then, that an event has been recorded that mirrored the events of Christs Life and Message and had much the same result in people embracing Gods Word, that people would be able to place no importance on one and put all importance on another without the least hesitation, question or research?

I acknowledge that God does not make mistakes 😉 what history has taught us is that it takes time for us to understand what is from God and what may not be!

Regards Tony
Good morning Tony,

Jesus being the last sacrifice is not only strange to Catholicism, it’s also strange to all of christianity.

Even though His sacrifice may be seen in slightly different variations of truth, we christians all agree that it was the last sacrifice. For instance, one belief is that He died for love. He loved us so much that He was an example in life and an example in death. He was willing to go to His death for the Love of God and man.

Another variation is that He died as expiation for our sins, to redeem us from the stronghold of satan, to cover for our sins and to be our protector in the eyes of God since we are sinful by nature and can not stand in the presence of such a perfect being as God. So when God sees us, He sees His son whom we follow instead of our sinful soul.

I prefer the second. We bring our experiences and preconceived notions with us wherever we go. After all my studying and reading and listening I’ve decided that it cannot be the first way because it would reduce Jesus to being like Buddha - a man who wants to teach us to be nice - and I think He is God so that idea would not work for me.

I know what you’re talking about. Many others have sacrificed for their faith, not only the ones you mention, including Baha’u’llah. What about St. Joan of Arch? Tyndale was burned at the stake for printing the bible in English. Now, you’ll say that Baha’u’llah’ was in a different category and I’d have to agree. The problem you’re going to have with Christians is that we believe Jesus was God incarnate. Which is different from how you see Him as The Light.

We understand that God Himself, as Jesus, became a man specifically to forgive us our sins. The other Lights came to reveal God to us and teach us how to live a Godly life. Am I wrong about this? I believe you do state this above. Their death, or sacrifice for their faith, was a result not a reason. Jesus was also a Light, but His primary reason for living was to sacrifice Himself - He was the Lamb of God as in Exodus 11, 12. He saves us from the “plague”, by offering His blood, which must be put “around the door post” or around us.

People who believe they have found the truth, are not going to be doing any research on other revealers of the Light. Especially when they are having problems even admitting that other persons outside the christian faith might be saved! I used to have a friend many years ago who was adamant about the fact that only believers in Jesus were making it to heaven. I’d ask her, But what if they can’t know Him? And she’d say flat out they couldn’t go to be with God. As I’m sure you know, I think this is nonsense. I mean, how small do we want to make God anyway?

So yes, they would believe they have found THE Light and none other is necessary. Does this explain? Catholics and christians in general are taught not to belittle other religions and to have respect for them. But then, of course, it’s up to each individual person to bring their understanding to this.

I’d be interested in understanding what you mean by:

"…message was to turn us from our ways, and there was more to come…"so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Why do you think Jesus is coming back a second time? What do you mean by Apart From Sin, Salvation?

God is Love
Fran
 
Don’t forget the end of that parable
Hi Adrift,

Just so you don’t have to go back and check - you’re talking about The Wedding Banquet. Your post no. 138. The slave goes out at the request of the host and invites all to enter and take part in the banquet. But when the hosts sees everyone, he throws some out because they’re not wearing the right garment.

What do you think the right garment is?

Fran
 
Interesting as the parishioners at my parish refer to her as Mary. I don’t think that I have ever referred to Mary as Blessed Mother while speaking of her. Guess it must not be a Catholic parish I must inform the pastor. 😛
Obviously.

(;))
 
=guanophore;13471570]Certainly there are. They are referred to as schismatics, heretics, etc. etc.
But I was not referring to that. Fran has a concept that the local parish in neighborhood is the “church” with the small C, and it is somehow separated or different from the Church with the captial C that Jesus founded?
It is a false dichotomy.
I would say that this is the main purpose of CAF, wouldn’t you?
This is one reason I say that Jesus gave the teaching authority to the Church, not the Scriptures (though they are profitable in the task).
Jesus taught that “he who is not against us is for us”, and the CCC teaches that His Truth can be found in most world religions, especially in the ecclesial communities of our separated brethren, who have retained a large amount of Catholic Sacred Tradition.
Great posting, Patrick, keep up the good work. 👍
Thank you, God Bless,

Patrick
 
=TonyBS;13471781]God Bless you Patrick
Thus in the context of the thread I do find this strange 😉
How a perfect Love for God through Jesus the Christ would have to in any way tried to be materially explained as the bread and wine changing.
To me such a Spiritual Understanding of what the bread and wine signifies is the purpose of the event 😊
It is my opinion that I think it will be a great day when we can know and Love God without the passion of wanting such miraculous events. Yes miracles can and do Happen, but the Love of Christ transcends any of these events. In the end they are only proofs to those that experience them.
Now if miracles are a proof of Religion, are will willing to accept all those that happen to persons of other Faiths 😉
It is the Love of God binds us and may this Love Unite all very soon.
Regards Tony
That my friend is a great question.

Because God is the Creator of all men, He certainly can choose us in what ever manner He chooses for us.

Miracles are tied to faith; and both are tied to God’s Grace

Miracles happen as a result of faith and prayerful pleas; or just to strengthen the Faith of those that it touches.

All miracles ought to be scrutinized to insure that it is God’s Will being manifested. If it is than with grateful hearts we should Glorify and thank God.

God Bless you,

Patrick.
 
=TonyBS;13471954]Dear Fran - To keep with this thread this is something I could consider strange about Catholicism and for this reason.
I of course appreciate you consider Jesus was the Last sacrifice, it may be worth considering that history has recorded a few more since then and apart from One which mirrored Jesus the Christs Sacrifice to save us from Sin (Bab), two others covered 23 years (Muhammad) and 40 years (Baha’u’llah) of Sacrificing all for the Knowledge and Love of God. Each of these messages were revealed for us to consider that we must consider the message was to turn us from our ways, and there was more to come…"so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Would you also not find it strange then, that an event has been recorded that mirrored the events of Christs Life and Message and had much the same result in people embracing Gods Word, that people would be able to place no importance on one and put all importance on another without the least hesitation, question or research?
I acknowledge that God does not make mistakes 😉 what history has taught us is that it takes time for us to understand what is from God and what may not be!
Regards Tony
Tony,

Salvation outside of the Catholic Church is MUCH more rare than within its ranks.

ONLY those who THROUGH NO FAULT of their own; who God has not made it possible for them to know that Him and His Church are literally NECESSARY [essential] for salvation; MAY have a possibility of attaining their eternal salvation.

It’s God’s way or in nearly every case: no way:rolleyes:

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
I’ll probably get roasted here for this, but here it goes…

I (and my Catholic wife) find it strange that the Catholic church advertises that “All Are Welcome”, but when you’re there…it sure doesn’t seem like it. I know that in my journey as a non-Catholic within a Catholic family, we can tell that I am treated much different within the Parrish than my Catholic family.

Also posts like the one above don’t exactly make someone like myself, with my upbringing in the Church, want to attend Mass where it is believed that I will not be saved…

Also from my background where we’re all “God’s Children”, it seems strange to me to be so exclusive rather than inclusive…maybe that’s just me typ’n and I’m missing something…IDK.
 
I’ll probably get roasted here for this, but here it goes…

I (and my Catholic wife) find it strange that the Catholic church advertises that “All Are Welcome”, but when you’re there…it sure doesn’t seem like it. I know that in my journey as a non-Catholic within a Catholic family, we can tell that I am treated much different within the Parrish than my Catholic family.

Also posts like the one above don’t exactly make someone like myself, with my upbringing in the Church, want to attend Mass where it is believed that I will not be saved…

Also from my background where we’re all “God’s Children”, it seems strange to me to be so exclusive rather than inclusive…maybe that’s just me typ’n and I’m missing something…IDK.
Mass does not hold the belief you will not be saved. That’s ridiculous. Mass is the hope
 
Mass does not hold the belief you will not be saved. That’s ridiculous. Mass is the hope
Apparently you missed the post above mine?

Maybe I should have stated “why would I want to go to Mass where it is believed and taught I will not be saved as a non-Catholic”?
 
Sometimes I wonder what’s worse. Mixing Catholicism with paganism or mixing Catholicism with a secular world view to a point in which people become practical atheists.
Either way is a tragic road to follow! God Bless, Memaw
 
Apparently you missed the post above mine?

Maybe I should have stated “why would I want to go to Mass where it is believed and taught I will not be saved as a non-Catholic”?
Show me a Mass that teaches tha!. I have been going to Daily Mass for over 40 years and I’ve NEVER heard that!! The Catholic Church teaches us to NOT judge others, but to follow what Jesus Christ teaches and to pray for all. God Bless, Memaw
 
A prophesy.
Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

The only pure offering is Jesus Christ ! Mark 14: 22- 24.
 
Apparently you missed the post above mine?

Maybe I should have stated “why would I want to go to Mass where it is believed and taught I will not be saved as a non-Catholic”?
Some Catholics think only Catholics can be saved. But that is not what The Church teaches. The Catechism says that God can save whoever he wants, Catholic or non-Catholic. Yes, we believe people will have a better chance of being saved if they are Catholic (Would it not be hypocritical for us to think otherwise?) but that is not even close to condemning everyone else to hell because they are not Catholic.

Some Catholics have a bad attitude about those outside The Catholic Church, but not everyone. Some Catholics seem like they would prefer if only Catholics can be saved but it is just not what The Church teaches. Just like there are a lot of protestants who think all Catholics automatically go to hell just for being Catholic. We just need to ignore the crazy…
 
I’ll probably get roasted here for this, but here it goes…

I (and my Catholic wife) find it strange that the Catholic church advertises that “All Are Welcome”, but when you’re there…it sure doesn’t seem like it. I know that in my journey as a non-Catholic within a Catholic family, we can tell that I am treated much different within the Parrish than my Catholic family.

Also posts like the one above don’t exactly make someone like myself, with my upbringing in the Church, want to attend Mass where it is believed that I will not be saved…

Also from my background where we’re all “God’s Children”, it seems strange to me to be so exclusive rather than inclusive…maybe that’s just me typ’n and I’m missing something…IDK.
Laughing Boy’s post no. 151 is correct.
Unfortunately, some catholics think they know catholic teaching, but don’t.
If they’re reading, they could check out CCC no. 1271, for instance.

Why the CCC would even have to be sited is a mystery to me. My aunt, who is 93, has a live- in nurse who is a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. She says HER church is the only church whereby one could be saved.

I wonder who’s right???!!!

Maybe there’s room for everyone who loves God up there?

Plus, you know what they say: I’m Christian, not perfect.

Fran
 
Some Catholics think only Catholics can be saved. But that is not what The Church teaches. The Catechism says that God can save whoever he wants, Catholic or non-Catholic. Yes, we believe people will have a better chance of being saved if they are Catholic (Would it not be hypocritical for us to think otherwise?) but that is not even close to condemning everyone else to hell because they are not Catholic.

Some Catholics have a bad attitude about those outside The Catholic Church, but not everyone. Some Catholics seem like they would prefer if only Catholics can be saved but it is just not what The Church teaches. Just like there are a lot of protestants who think all Catholics automatically go to hell just for being Catholic. We just need to ignore the crazy…
Thanks, that’s really the first time that I’ve seen that, and had it explained to me as such.

Now…if I can ask another question for a little more clarity, didn’t the Church believe and teach that only Catholics could/would be saved up until Vatican II (about 1965)? I thought that’s what I’ve read, and could cause some of my misunderstandings.
 
Thanks, that’s really the first time that I’ve seen that, and had it explained to me as such.

Now…if I can ask another question for a little more clarity, didn’t the Church believe and teach that only Catholics could/would be saved up until Vatican II (about 1965)? I thought that’s what I’ve read, and could cause some of my misunderstandings.
I think Laughing Boy will answer; if not I will but not now. Company.

Fran

p.s. You’re pretty right.
 
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