What Did Jesus Write in the Sand?

[LilyM]

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It’s not that hard to know what Jesus wrote on the sand. We need only to think about what he said to the woman
afterwards.

When Jesus finished writing he asked the woman:
“Where are your accusers, has no man condemned you?” She answered and said, “No man, Lord.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” (John 8:8-11) Why couldn’t
the men condemn the woman? Because they were equally sinners. Why couldn’t Jesus either as he stated himself he wouldn’t? Obviously for the same reason: That he was also a sinner. Therefore, that’s what he was writing on the sand: That everyone alive on earth was a sinner, including himself. See? Not so hard.

Ben: <*)))><

Really? So when G-d spared the Israelites after the Golden Calf incident, after Moses pleaded for them, it was because HE was a sinner and for that reason couldn’t condemn them?

He spared them out of pure mercy and love (for Moses if not for them), and so did Jesus spare the woman caught in adultery out of pure mercy and love.

 

[plain_me]

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It’s not that hard to know what Jesus wrote on the sand. We need only to think about what he said to the woman
afterwards.

When Jesus finished writing he asked the woman:
“Where are your accusers, has no man condemned you?” She answered and said, “No man, Lord.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” (John 8:8-11) Why couldn’t
the men condemn the woman? Because they were equally sinners. Why couldn’t Jesus either as he stated himself he wouldn’t? Obviously for the same reason: That he was also a sinner. Therefore, that’s what he was writing on the sand: That everyone alive on earth was a sinner, including himself. See? Not so hard.

Ben: <*)))><

You certainly are a troublemaker, Ben. haha. You’d like to cast doubt in here, huh? I wonder if we can start a topic in a Roman Catholic chat forum on the question: “If the city and the sanctuary were prophesied to be destroyed AFTER the Messiah is “cut off,” and the city and the temple were destroyed in 70AD, who was the Messiah?” or “If no one can ever look at God and live, who was Isaiah looking at in Isaiah 6?”

I sure would like to chat with you, Ben. Would you mind sending me a private message with your arguments against Christianity?

 

[Ben_Masada]

You certainly are a troublemaker, Ben. haha. You’d like to cast doubt in here, huh? I wonder if we can start a topic in a Roman Catholic chat forum on the question: “If the city and the sanctuary were prophesied to be destroyed AFTER the Messiah is “cut off,” and the city and the temple were destroyed in 70AD, who was the Messiah?” or “If no one can ever look at God and live, who was Isaiah looking at in Isaiah 6?”

I sure would like to chat with you, Ben. Would you mind sending me a private message with your arguments against Christianity?

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Hi Plain_me. The pleasure will be all mine. Here’s my email address: masada52504@yahoo.com. I’ll give
you the first shot at choosing the subject. If you lack inspiration,
how about starting with “What is the Truth?”

Believe me, I have no intention to be a troublemaker. I am just using the Logic that faith won’t allow you guys to.

Regarding Daniel 9:24-27, whose prophecy you are referring to without quoting it, it’s a Jewish prophecy that must be interpreted according to Judaism and not Christianity. Any Christian interpretation of that prophetic frame of Daniel is prone to fail from the onset. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, who never claimed to be the Messiah. If you wanna try it, be my guest.

Regarding looking at God and live, anyone can look at God and live, including you and me. In Isaiah 6, Isaiah was indeed looking at God and lived. I am going to let you know why: In a vision or in dreams anyone can look at God and live. The whole book of Isaiah is a vision he had about Judah and Jerusalem. Please, read Isaiah 1:1. That vision seemed to Isaiah so real that he was afraid to die because he supposed his eyes had seen the Lord.
That’s the only way the Almighty can appear to humans: In a vision or dreams. Why not as we see each other? Because God is incorporeal. Naturally invisible to human eyes.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[Benedict108]

It’s not that hard to know what Jesus wrote on the sand. We need only to think about what he said to the woman
afterwards.

When Jesus finished writing he asked the woman:
“Where are your accusers, has no man condemned you?” She answered and said, “No man, Lord.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” (John 8:8-11) Why couldn’t
the men condemn the woman? Because they were equally sinners. Why couldn’t Jesus either as he stated himself he wouldn’t? Obviously for the same reason: That he was also a sinner. Therefore, that’s what he was writing on the sand: That everyone alive on earth was a sinner, including himself. See? Not so hard.

Ben: <*)))><

Actually…It was not that he was a sinner, but this:

*As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, buth that wicked turn from his way and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Isreal?

Thou therefore, O son of man, say to the children of they people: The Justice of the just shall not deliver him in what day soever he sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice in what day soever he shall sin. (Ezechiel 33: 11 - 12)*

Jesus’ actions on that day are a reflection of this verse. They could not condemn her as she was truly repentant and He desired not the death of the sinner.

Perhaps those who thought themselves just and came to the realization that they were indeed sinners; hence, had to reconsider their actions, but as far as Christ being a sinner. I disagree whole heartedly.

 

[LilyM]

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Hi Plain_me. The pleasure will be all mine. Here’s my email address: masada52504@yahoo.com. I’ll give
you the first shot at choosing the subject. If you lack inspiration,
how about starting with “What is the Truth?”

Believe me, I have no intention to be a troublemaker. I am just using the Logic that faith won’t allow you guys to.

Regarding Daniel 9:24-27, whose prophecy you are referring to without quoting it, it’s a Jewish prophecy that must be interpreted according to Judaism and not Christianity. Any Christian interpretation of that prophetic frame of Daniel is prone to fail from the onset. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, who never claimed to be the Messiah. If you wanna try it, be my guest.

Regarding looking at God and live, anyone can look at God and live, including you and me. In Isaiah 6, Isaiah was indeed looking at God and lived. I am going to let you know why: In a vision or in dreams anyone can look at God and live. The whole book of Isaiah is a vision he had about Judah and Jerusalem. Please, read Isaiah 1:1. That vision seemed to Isaiah so real that he was afraid to die because he supposed his eyes had seen the Lord.
That’s the only way the Almighty can appear to humans: In a vision or dreams. Why not as we see each other? Because God is incorporeal. Naturally invisible to human eyes.

Ben: <*)))><

God is always and forever invisible to human eyes?

Then why did Isaiah prophesy about a child (a human being) to be born, whose name would be EMMANUEL - ‘God-WITH-us’.

In other words God incarnate. Would it not be blasphemy to call a child ‘God with us’ unless that child actually WAS God?

Sounds very much like Isaiah was saying God would BECOME visible - in human form in fact.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Actually…It was not that he was a sinner, but this:

*As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, buth that wicked turn from his way and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Isreal?

Thou therefore, O son of man, say to the children of they people: The Justice of the just shall not deliver him in what day soever he sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice in what day soever he shall sin. (Ezechiel 33: 11 - 12)*

Jesus’ actions on that day are a reflection of this verse. They could not condemn her as she was truly repentant and He desired not the death of the sinner.

Perhaps those who thought themselves just and came to the realization that they were indeed sinners; hence, had to reconsider their actions, but as far as Christ being a sinner. I disagree whole heartedly.

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But of course you have to disagree that Jesus was a sinner. I would too if I was a Christian.

You didn’t have to go through the quotation of Ezekiel above, because that case of the woman caught in adultery would have never been processessed that way. The guy who wrote that gospel had zero knowledge of how cases of that character were dealt with in Israel. It must have been inserted in there as a parabolic interpolation with the purpose to enhance Jesus’ credibility as the one. So, we can elaborate on the facts about Jesus but parabolically.

Ben: <*)))><

 

[kimmielittle]

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But of course you have to disagree that Jesus was a sinner. I would too if I was a Christian.

You didn’t have to go through the quotation of Ezekiel above, because that case of the woman caught in adultery would have never been processessed that way. The guy who wrote that gospel had zero knowledge of how cases of that character were dealt with in Israel. It must have been inserted in there as a parabolic interpolation with the purpose to enhance Jesus’ credibility as the one. So, we can elaborate on the facts about Jesus but parabolically.

Ben: <*)))><

Hiyas Ben

“because that case of the woman caught in adultery would have never been processessed that way.”] Fact or speculation?

“The guy who wrote that gospel had zero knowledge of how cases of that character were dealt with in Israel.” ] Fact or speculation?

" It must have been inserted in there as a parabolic interpolation with the purpose to enhance Jesus’ credibility as the one. '] Complete speculation. ( by your words “it must have” )

 

[Benedict108]

But of course you have to disagree that Jesus was a sinner. I would too if I was a Christian.

You didn’t have to go through the quotation of Ezekiel above, because that case of the woman caught in adultery would have never been processessed that way. The guy who wrote that gospel had zero knowledge of how cases of that character were dealt with in Israel. It must have been inserted in there as a parabolic interpolation with the purpose to enhance Jesus’ credibility as the one. So, we can elaborate on the facts about Jesus but parabolically.

Ben: <*)))><

I see your point of thought, especially pointing to the fact that the writer of the verse wrote it during the Babylonian captivity, but I wouldn’t belittle its importance.

I guess this is where are religious beliefs tend to mash a bit. The above mentioned scripture applies very much to the Christian New Testament view of God. We are obviously going to see things very different because of our religious upbringing .

I will leave it as a point of disageement .

Pax tecum.

 

[twb1621]

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It’s not that hard to know what Jesus wrote on the sand. We need only to think about what he said to the woman
afterwards.

When Jesus finished writing he asked the woman:
“Where are your accusers, has no man condemned you?” She answered and said, “No man, Lord.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” (John 8:8-11) Why couldn’t
the men condemn the woman? Because they were equally sinners. Why couldn’t Jesus either as he stated himself he wouldn’t? Obviously for the same reason: That he was also a sinner. Therefore, that’s what he was writing on the sand: That everyone alive on earth was a sinner, including himself. See? Not so hard.

Ben: <*)))><

Curiously, what basis do you come up with that conclusion? To claim that Jesus was also a sinner because He showed compassion and forgiveness? What do you see His purpose for taking on human form?

 

[Deconi]

Three words He wrote.

Jesus was here.

Hebrew graffitti style, of course!

 

[rinnie]

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But of course you have to disagree that Jesus was a sinner. I would too if I was a Christian.

You didn’t have to go through the quotation of Ezekiel above, because that case of the woman caught in adultery would have never been processessed that way. The guy who wrote that gospel had zero knowledge of how cases of that character were dealt with in Israel. It must have been inserted in there as a parabolic interpolation with the purpose to enhance Jesus’ credibility as the one. So, we can elaborate on the facts about Jesus but parabolically.

Ben: <*)))><

Yeah right And how about all the People that saw him come back from the dead. I guess they had zero knowledge too. Pleassssssssssssse give me a break. You either believe that Jesus is the son of God or you do not, You will not be the last to deny him. May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Just_Returned]

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That everyone alive on earth was a sinner, including himself. See? Not so hard.

Ben: <*)))><

Maybe I misunderstood the last line of your Post?
Our Lord Never Sinned. God cannot Sin. The Lamb of God had to be blameless to give his life for the sins of Mankind. Past, Present, Future.

If someone has been guiding you Spiritually and telling you that Jesus was a Sinner I would Seriously consider another advisor. If this was a Liberal Priest that denies the Divinity of Christ, he is teaching Heresey and I would report this Gentleman to the Bishop.

 

[LilyM]

Maybe I misunderstood the last line of your Post?
Our Lord Never Sinned. God cannot Sin. The Lamb of God had to be blameless to give his life for the sins of Mankind. Past, Present, Future.

If someone has been guiding you Spiritually and telling you that Jesus was a Sinner I would Seriously consider another advisor. If this was a Liberal Priest that denies the Divinity of Christ, he is teaching Heresey and I would report this Gentleman to the Bishop.

Uh - Ben is Jewish all, he’s not Christian. Says so in his profile.

It would be odd if he DIDN’T believe Christ was a sinner considering.

 

[kimmielittle]

Uh - Ben is Jewish all, he’s not Christian. Says so in his profile.

It would be odd if he DIDN’T believe Christ was a sinner considering.

Hiyas LilyM

Are you sure ‘Ben is Jewish’].?
I ask because he certainly has left a bad taste in mouths, toward the Jewish Community, IMHO, almost purposefully.

 

[LilyM]

Hiyas LilyM

Are you sure ‘Ben is Jewish’].?
I ask because he certainly has left a bad taste in mouths, toward the Jewish Community, IMHO, almost purposefully.

Well, innocent until proven guilty and all that. On an internet forum like this there’s usually no choice but to take each other at our word. Although I do wonder about the fishy (very Christian) symbol in his signature.

Care to enlighten us, Ben?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Well, innocent until proven guilty and all that. On an internet forum like this there’s usually no choice but to take each other at our word. Although I do wonder about the fishy (very Christian) symbol in his signature.

Care to enlighten us, Ben?

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Yes, LilyM, I am Jewish, and I am posting to you from Ramat Gan, Israel. Therefore, Shalom to you all from
“Jerusalem.” (Isa. 2:2,3)

The only thing I am innocent here is of that symbol I write after my signature. Wow! I didn’t know it was a Christian symbol. I just happened one day to play with those signs and came out a fish. I found it interesting and started doing it after my signature. In that case, it doesn’t match my being what I am. No more of that therefore. Thanks.

Ben

 

[LilyM]

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Yes, LilyM, I am Jewish. The only thing I am innocent here is of that symbol I write after my signature. Wow! I didn’t know it was a Christian symbol. I just happened one day to play with those signs and came out a fish. I found it interesting and started doing it after my signature. In that case, it doesn’t match my being what I am. No more of that therefore. Thanks.

Ben

Jerusalem - or ‘Ieru Shalom’ (City of Peace) if memory serves.

The fish is one of the oldest Christian symbols - being persecuted by Jewish and Roman authorities, early Christians didn’t often use anything really obvious like a Cross or anything.

Comes from the Greek word for fish - ICTHUS - standing for “Iseous Christos Theou Uios Soter”, or “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour”

 

[Ben_Masada]

Hiyas LilyM

Are you sure ‘Ben is Jewish’].?
I ask because he certainly has left a bad taste in mouths, toward the Jewish Community, IMHO, almost purposefully.

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Hi Kimmielittle, care to enlighten me on how I have left a bad taste in mouths toward the Jewish Community? I am not sure what you are talking about. You must be referring to hyphenated “Jews” who have been trapped by the things of Christianity. Those are the ones I have been looking for with the purpose to restore them to the faith of Jesus, which was Judaism.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Yeah right And how about all the People that saw him come back from the dead. I guess they had zero knowledge too. Pleassssssssssssse give me a break. You either believe that Jesus is the son of God or you do not, You will not be the last to deny him. May God have mercy on your soul.

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You say: “And how about all the People that saw him come back from the dead?” Would you be so kind as to mention to me a single one who saw Jesus come back from the dead? Even the “angel” of Matthew, when he came down from heaven and removed the stone, didn’t see anything. The tomb was empty. What did he tell the women who had come to see the tomb? “He is not here.” (Mat. 28:6)

The only knowledge that all those people you are talking about had was that someone had raised Jesus from that tomb. And if you ask me, it happened during the night of Friday to Saturday when there was no one at the tomb area and everything was deserted. I wonder who could have raised Jesus from that tomb. Have you ever thought about Joseph of Arimathea? Think it through!

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Curiously, what basis do you come up with that conclusion? To claim that Jesus was also a sinner because He showed compassion and forgiveness? What do you see His purpose for taking on human form?

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The purpose for taking on human form was in the Hellenistic mind of Paul who needed to organized Christianity.

And Jesus was also a sinner, not because he showed compassion and forgiveness, but because he was a man on earth;
and there has never been a man on earth that has never sinned.

Besides, I have already mentioned above that this case of the woman caght in adultery never happened but as a parable by the writer of the fourth Gospel who was a Gentile with zero knowledge
of the Jewish way to deal with these cases.

Ben: