What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[Ed_Rand]

I am afraid of nothing. I don’t have to prove anything. You statements are flatly wrong on their face. No one can claim that all anyone is anything. Not all Catholics, or all Jews and on and on. It suggests nothing but pure hatred of an entire group. Like saying that of Germans or Swedes. No proof is required. You are simply hate filled. But I suppose someone did have a point in wondering where ever you got such ideas. Such ideas of course led to genocide. I am sorry you are so filled with hate. It must be a terrible burden.

There are many, no doubt, who see exactly what you see in R_not’s comments. I am one. The fact that she is still a participating member of this forum and has obviously not been disciplined says a whole lot about this forum. I was recently accused of anti-semitism by a moderator for saying this:

It’s not the same. These settlers arent’ “moving to Palestine” to live in Muslim controlled lands. These settlers are making Palestine into Israel. They are making Muslim controlled lands into Jewish controlled lands. No Palestinians are even allowed near most of these settlements.

How that can possibly be anti-semitism, I have no idea. The only reason he dropped the citation is because the poster I quoted had also used the phrase “Jewish controlled lands”. Still very absurd. But watch out! They’re certainly on the lookout.

On the other hand, if you want to lump Muslims and deride them as a whole, feel free. That’s par for the course here. If anything, R_not should be advised to abide by forum rule #6 under “Conduct Rules”:

Do not view the discussion area as a vehicle for single-mindedly promoting an agenda.

She quotes the same sites, the same figures, uses the same examples, over and over and over and over and over. She completely ruins all decent discussion.

For those of you who don’t agree, I advise you to take some of R_not’s statements and replace references to Islam and Muslims with Judaism and Jews. You will notice very quickly that it sounds a whole lot like anti-semitism. Here’s a few examples from her first posts on this thread:

The Jews worship a god that is deceptive and wants his own creatures dead, or subjugated to torah laws - the worst human rights disasters of all times.

The Jews have commitment to what? lying/deception, supporting murderers in their quest against unbelievers - even women and children? Intolerance and bigotry against others in their lands to such a point that the non-jews have no rights?

Do you think someone who said such things would last on this forum?

 

[Bill_Pick]

My account was locked because I told some one they need to get back on their meds

 

[redrosetea]

personally don’t know any Muslims but I have heard and read some nice things about them

One if they make a promise to do something as a Thanksgiving to God, they always do it…I like that

I was told this story by someone, and it happened decades ago

My friend had a very bad leg and he was in the hospital, they were thinking about amputation.He was only a little kid… His school teacher was a Muslim and he came to the hospital and put his hands on my friends leg and prayed that he would be healed

This was 50 years ago or more…I think that was a beautiful act of love…my friend kept his leg

 

[josie_L]

I am glad you understood I had no ulterior motive, other than to be informed by someone who lives in the U.K. of the veracity of “Londonistan.” I got my answer. Thank you.

 

[chrisse]

What I admire most are those muslims who are in the Lord’s Grace despite Islam.

 

[chrisse]

I am afraid of nothing. I don’t have to prove anything. You statements are flatly wrong on their face. No one can claim that all anyone is anything. Not all Catholics, or all Jews and on and on. It suggests nothing but pure hatred of an entire group. Like saying that of Germans or Swedes. No proof is required. You are simply hate filled. But I suppose someone did have a point in wondering where ever you got such ideas. Such ideas of course led to genocide. I am sorry you are so filled with hate. It must be a terrible burden.

May I suggest that being afraid of nothing is a rather dangerous position to take? Don’t go bushwalking in Australia then, you’ll probably sit on a hollow log without checking and get a snake bite for your lack of fear. Fear itself is okay, as long as it leads to preparation and good sense against what you fear.

You don’t have to prove anything. May I suggest here you are very much in error. When you make the claim you do against R_Not, then proof to substantiate that claim IS required. Otherwise it is your own bigoted opinion.

Genocide, hate, racist - wow, haven’t we all heard those claims before from those amongst us running around like the three wise monkeys. Empty platitudes, without basis. Sounds good, and anyway, who wants to be called a hater, a racist or a proponent of genocide? Wow, sure to silence.

I repeat, many on here, R_Not and myself included, are arguing against the geo-political ideology of Islam. To deny this aspect of Islam is to deny most of the Islamic ideology. We are struggling to define this particular ideology, because it is combined with a creator god called allah. However, until such time as accepted terms are found to separate those muslims who are truly in God’s grace despite Islam, and those who are loyal adherents to this ideology of hate, imperialism, enslavement and world domination we are stuck with Islam and muslim. Do not assume we are blind to those who are not truly adherents of such an ideology; but I tell you clearly that I for one am tired of having to qualify every time, and every time those whose eyes, ears and mouth are closed wide shut retort with the same canards : hater, bigot, racist.

We are meant to learn from history. You have already forgotten one from recent history. They were warning about Hitler and his ideology in the 1930s. They too were ignored and slandered.

 

[josie_L]

There are many, no doubt, who see exactly what you see in R_not’s comments. I am one. The fact that she is still a participating member of this forum and has obviously not been disciplined says a whole lot about this forum. I was recently accused of anti-semitism by a moderator for saying this:

How that can possibly be anti-semitism, I have no idea. The only reason he dropped the citation is because the poster I quoted had also used the phrase “Jewish controlled lands”. Still very absurd. But watch out! They’re certainly on the lookout.

On the other hand, if you want to lump Muslims and deride them as a whole, feel free. That’s par for the course here. If anything, R_not should be advised to abide by forum rule #6 under “Conduct Rules”:

She quotes the same sites, the same figures, uses the same examples, over and over and over and over and over. She completely ruins all decent discussion.

For those of you who don’t agree, I advise you to take some of R_not’s statements and replace references to Islam and Muslims with Judaism and Jews. You will notice very quickly that it sounds a whole lot like anti-semitism. Here’s a few examples from her first posts on this thread:

I think you have taken what R_not has said out of context, I believe that R_not was being ironic, not anti-semitic.

Do you think someone who said such things would last on this forum?

 

[josie_L]

May I suggest that being afraid of nothing is a rather dangerous position to take? Don’t go bushwalking in Australia then, you’ll probably sit on a hollow log without checking and get a snake bite for your lack of fear. Fear itself is okay, as long as it leads to preparation and good sense against what you fear.

You don’t have to prove anything. May I suggest here you are very much in error. When you make the claim you do against R_Not, then proof to substantiate that claim IS required. Otherwise it is your own bigoted opinion.

Genocide, hate, racist - wow, haven’t we all heard those claims before from those amongst us running around like the three wise monkeys. Empty platitudes, without basis. Sounds good, and anyway, who wants to be called a hater, a racist or a proponent of genocide? Wow, sure to silence.

I repeat, many on here, R_Not and myself included, are arguing against the geo-political ideology of Islam. To deny this aspect of Islam is to deny most of the Islamic ideology. We are struggling to define this particular ideology, because it is combined with a creator god called allah. However, until such time as accepted terms are found to separate those muslims who are truly in God’s grace despite Islam, and those who are loyal adherents to this ideology of hate, imperialism, enslavement and world domination we are stuck with Islam and muslim. Do not assume we are blind to those who are not truly adherents of such an ideology; but I tell you clearly that I for one am tired of having to qualify every time, and every time those whose eyes, ears and mouth are closed wide shut retort with the same canards : hater, bigot, racist.

We are meant to learn from history. You have already forgotten one from recent history. They were warning about Hitler and his ideology in the 1930s. They too were ignored and slandered.

Very well said, especially the last paragraph, I was thinking the very same thing.

 

[LUISV]

I am a man. my wife is a muslim, its a long story, I was muslim and now am being baptised Catholic.

In a way it was my wife who introduced me to God, for this I am always thankful to her.

Statistically (as a percentage of total population) christians are not religious.

As a jew by birth, I can assure you that the numbers for jews are even more disappointing.

Welcome. It is unfortunate that your post has degraded some what and is now a bickering match.

Were you a convert to Islam or were you born into it? I ask because your story is amazing to say the least. A Muslim will rarely if ever leave Islam. Please tell us a little about your journey to the Church. How does your wife feel about this. I can’t call it apostacy because I sense you have deep feelings, and rightly so, about the positive aspects of Islam. Many of us Catholics tend to forget that we have Islam to thank for helping the Roman Church rediscover prayer and humility before God. During his time as a crusader St. Francis of Asissi felt the call to prayer and understood what a gift that truely is. He brought what he learned back to Europe and spread it where he could. Daily devotion to God is a responsibility of all Catholics and in a very real sense we should thank Islam for reminding us.

There is a lot i disagree with in Islam but I will always thank God that St. Francis hear the call.

 

[Little_Dove]

I like their respect for the Blessed Virgin. It is interestingly significant to me that the Holy Family were sheltered by the people of Egypt, presumably the ancestors of many modern day Muslims. The Virgin must have a special love for them. One of her known and approved apparitions took place in Egypt (I can’t remember the name? Zeitoun?).

Also, I don’t think it is coincidental that one of Her greatest apparitions was in Fatima, Portugal. Fatima was the name of Mohammed’s daughter, right? I’m sure that Our Lady has never forgotten the charity of the people who sheltered St. Joseph, herself, and the infant God! Now She invites them to know and love the God whom they sheltered…

To Jesus, Through Mary

 

[graceandglory]

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Please don’t judge me harshly for what I’m going to say.
I didn’t think it out much, but this is the first thing that comes to mind.

When you go on a trip to the Middle East, you know you are entering a MUSLIM country.

I wish the same could be said for America. That people are entering a CHRISTIAN country. Only sadly, I don’t think that is the case, even though it once was.

 

[chrisse]

I like their respect for the Blessed Virgin. It is interestingly significant to me that the Holy Family were sheltered by the people of Egypt, presumably the ancestors of many modern day Muslims. The Virgin must have a special love for them. One of her known and approved apparitions took place in Egypt (I can’t remember the name? Zeitoun?).

Also, I don’t think it is coincidental that one of Her greatest apparitions was in Fatima, Portugal. Fatima was the name of Mohammed’s daughter, right? I’m sure that Our Lady has never forgotten the charity of the people who sheltered St. Joseph, herself, and the infant God! Now She invites them to know and love the God whom they sheltered…

To Jesus, Through Mary

Maybe our Coptic brothers and sisters would claim to be the indigenous people of Egypt from the ancient line of the Pharoahs.

Do you admire how the Copts are persecuted in Egypt today by the islamic ideology? Or are you not aware of it?

 

[R_not]

This sounds interesting.

R_not, on what basis did you come to these conclusions about Muslims?

What conclusions? Please be specific as to what conclusion(s).

 

[Little_Dove]

Maybe our Coptic brothers and sisters would claim to be the indigenous people of Egypt from the ancient line of the Pharoahs.

Do you admire how the Copts are persecuted in Egypt today by the islamic ideology? Or are you not aware of it?

That still does not discount the fact that She appeared to everyone, not just Christians! Everyone saw Her! Perhaps strengthening the Christians and inviting the Muslims…
Our Lady always advises “prayer, prayer, prayer” for conversion to Her Son! That request does not exclude prayer for those who are not Christian. They need our intercessory prayer most urgently as they are unable to fully intercede for themselves!!!

“Souls fall like snowflakes into Hell, because there is no one to pray for them.”

That tells me what I, as a Catholic am supposed to be doing!
All else I leave in Her hands.

To Jesus, Through Mary

 

[R_not]

I am afraid of nothing. I don’t have to prove anything. You statements are flatly wrong on their face. No one can claim that all anyone is anything. Not all Catholics, or all Jews and on and on. It suggests nothing but pure hatred of an entire group. Like saying that of Germans or Swedes. No proof is required. You are simply hate filled. But I suppose someone did have a point in wondering where ever you got such ideas. Such ideas of course led to genocide. I am sorry you are so filled with hate. It must be a terrible burden.

I only take what is in the koran, the hadiths, and their history of jihad not only in the past but the present. And that is not all - I take the history of mohammed - his pagan upbringing which led to his creation of allah, and the rites that are in islam. None of them are associated with the Jews or Christians. And the message of his texts which are a completely different message from the Bible.

mohammed was n Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord. All of these things can be gotten from their own texts. Now things like narcissist, lecher and mysognyist are more like a conclusion based on his life. But the things that he did was exactly as I tell them.

The aura of goodness on his atrocities is what muslims do - Centrality of jihad in islam

“The term ‘human being’ has no meaning inside of Islam”. That’s why “Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.”

I am sorry that you put your prejudices onto me without any knowledge of islam. I don’t hate them. I do hate islam though and now you know what ‘peaceful’ muslims worship. It is indeed a hard pill for those who don’t know too much about islam and only believe their facade of peace.

I bet you don’t even know that they have ‘exterminated’ the Zorastrians and many other pagans from the Middle East. Slavery still goes on in islam. Yeah - and it is atrocious. Slavery in islam Oops, not a peep out of anyone about that either!

So, I tell people my opinion about what I admire about islam/muslims and I say ‘nothing’ and that bothers you because I can back it up. I haven’t gotten anything from you except your own prejudices put onto me.

 

[Jehuty_X]

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

// nothing!!!

 

[Ed_Rand]

As an example of how R_not breaks the rules and singlemindedly promotes a hate-filled agenda (a clear violation of forum rules), lets compare her most recent post (#59) to her first post (#6) on this thread.

Last post:

mohammed was n Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord. All of these things can be gotten from their own texts. Now things like narcissist, lecher and mysognyist are more like a conclusion based on his life. But the things that he did was exactly as I tell them.

First post:

They worship an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord.

Last post:

The aura of goodness on his atrocities is what muslims do - Centrality of jihad in islam

First post:

And they distort his deeds into an aura of goodness/holiness.

Last post:

“The term ‘human being’ has no meaning inside of Islam”. That’s why “Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.”

First post:

They have no concept of ‘human beings’

Last post:

It is indeed a hard pill for those who don’t know too much about islam and only believe their facade of peace.

First post:

The single minded denial of all of this is just mind boggling and people take their FACADE of peacefulness as something good.

over and over and over and over and over. This happens all over the various forums and apparently, not a single moderator has done anything about it.

 

[R_not]

josie_L:
I have a tendency to repeat for anyone who is new to the forums, or threads.

And it seems the same questions/issues come up that require the same articles.

If you don’t want to read them - then don’t. But, keep in mind that there are always new people and I have been thanked for my links more often than not.

I know that you didn’t say that, but it is for anyone who thinks I repeat the same things just because of some reason or other that they don’t understand.

 

[R_not]

As an example of how R_not breaks the rules and singlemindedly promotes a hate-filled agenda (a clear violation of forum rules), lets compare her most recent post (#59) to her first post (#6) on this thread.

over and over and over and over and over. This happens all over the various forums and apparently, not a single moderator has done anything about it.

how do you know they haven’t done anything - are you privy to all that goes on. I don’t recall having to report to you either.

they don’t have a concept of 'human being in islam - they only have believer/unbeliever.

islam is not peaceful - it means submission and its koran and hadiths are very violent and command violence against us. Read it.

The ones who don’t commit the violence are commanded to support the ones who do via muslim charities. They are supposed to help the jihadist, their families and when they get old.

Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives (in Allah’s Cause).”

Is “Moderate Islam” an illusion? Moderate Islam is a wedge that will jam open the door to Jihad, and “evil will triumph when good Muslims do nothing.” The great majority of Muslims are not adherents of the radical line. Yet, because the Islamists wage their war under the name of Islam, they receive immense direct and indirect support from the rank-and-file ordinary Muslims. It is this support of moderate Muslims that keeps the Jihadists alive. And it is the Jihadists who intend to show no mercy to any and all who do not share their theology, be they Muslims or not.
…
The jihadists have searched the scripture and have selectively chosen those statements and precedents that they could use to legitimize their violent and primitive agenda. The Jihadists, for instance, claim that the Quran itself urges them to make jihad, “jahedoo fee sabeil-u-llah,” (make jihad for the cause of Allah.) The word “jihad” has at least two vastly different meanings. It means exertion. It also stands for making war, and it is the latter that the jihadists invoke as their mandate.

While the so-called moderate Muslims are generally silent, either out of fear, lack of organization, or apathy, the Islamists work around the clock and around the world to further their agenda. Hardly a week passes without a Grand Mufti or an Ayatollah issuing pronouncements in support of radical Islam. The rank-and-file Islamist clergy, for their part, transmit these fatwas and edicts to their flocks in mosques and hammer them into the minds of impressionable children in madressehs. Through this grassroots process, radical Islam is recruiting greater and greater numbers of adherents. On the one hand, the Islamists engage in acts of violence to disrupt the functioning of societies, while on the other they cleverly exploit the freedom they enjoy in non-Islamic lands to subvert them from within.

And this is what people get fooled by:
Ishaq:398 “Show them that you listen to them and ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage.”

Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”
Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

The list of this sort of stuff from their own koran is just overwhelming.

I see it is a feeding frenzy right now with a few people unhappy that I couldn’t find anything about islam that I liked.

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”

 

[rtconstant]

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

That’s great congratulations! What does your wife think of the conversion is she supportive?

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

Their devotion is admirable. I also like the fact that when a Muslim calls you a friend they really mean it. I also like their hospitality. Muslims really love to take care of their guests. I also like how that Muslim women love to cook!