What do you admire about islam/muslims?

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jakasaki said:
I don’t believe there is an allah in the Bible.

God is most often called by two names, namely 'el and its more commonly used plural form, 'elohim and Jehovah YHWH, Yehovah or Yahweh.
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In aramaic it would be “allaha”.

Names aside though, the characteristics attributed to Allah apply equally to El.
The Jews, being very reverential of God, do not pronounce the latter, and many Bible translations uses the translational device of LORD, all in capital letters to translate the latter name.
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Quite so, jews use “Adonai”, which would explain why Bibles use LORD.
When Moses asked for God’s name, God described Himself to be “I AM THAT I AM” (hayah hayah)
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Why do you think the LORD described Himself as such?
Do you know?

I do know.
And remember allah is alone <------- no Jesus in this picture - so, no not the same.
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Yes, this much is evident.
 
jakasaki said:
I need to understand this please.

Jew by birth

Converted at one point to islam/muslim
Now you are getting ready to be baptised Catholic?

Do I have this right so far?
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Yes. Born to a Jewess(non-observant) - hence a Jew.
Grew up with no concept of God.
Introduced to God by my wife, when I accepted islam to marry her.
Encountered Christianity on the web (2 years ago) through Catholics on an islamic website; weird huh?

Who introduced me to Catholicism and the Orthodoxy.
And your wife is still a muslim and is practicing islam?
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Short answer, Yes.
 
hosemonkey said:
Islam is a backward religion practiced by backward people in backward countries.
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You do realise that whilst the west was immersed in the dark ages (with Christianity as their religion)

The islamic near east was the home of thought and culture.
 
algebra said:
You do realise that whilst the west was immersed in the dark ages (with Christianity as their religion)

The islamic near east was the home of thought and culture.
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Well, I think you’ll find it was a little more complex than the “islamic” near east. But it’s a popular historical platitude, I’ll grant you.
 
LUISV said:
Were you a convert to Islam or were you born into it? I ask because your story is amazing to say the least. A Muslim will rarely if ever leave Islam.
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True. Islam makes some very good arguments for itself. Its only deep reflection do you see the problems with the arguments.

I have discussed many of these issues in great detail with muslims.

I accepted islam, when I married my wife.

Before that God was certainly not important to me. So in a way it was her faith that introduced me to God.
Please tell us a little about your journey to the Church. How does your wife feel about this. I can’t call it apostacy because I sense you have deep feelings, and rightly so, about the positive aspects of Islam.
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My journey to the Church is not complete. Its happened in stages.

It started with reading the Bible (ironic because in the RCIA we mostly read the catechism)

Jesus baffled me, the thing that baffled me most, is that He claimed that His blood was payment for the forgiveness of sins.

This is bizarre because there is absolutely no precedent for this bizarre idea.

That is when I realised, hold on a second, if they were going to manufacture their beliefs (as muslims claim they did) they wouldnt have come up with these crazy ideas.

This sort of led me to look at islam closer, now I have some very good ideas of why islam is a manufactured belief. But what really got me was their belief in Tawheed which is the one-ness of God.

Tawheed is correct in so far that it claims that God is one.

It goes too far when it begins defining that oneness.
God is removed from creation.
The creator and the created are eternally separated.
Yet God is in heaven (which is a creation)?

Anyway, I start having many doubts about islam.

By itself this would not have brought me closer to the Church.

I had a son in August, he was born with a condition called craniosynostosis.

Not sure what happened there but I realised that my son would only be safe if I asked for the intercession of Mary.

I cant explain it, but that was it.
Islam offers me nothing in this world and no promise of the next.

Catholicism is here and now for me, as well as in the next.

Thats what brought me into the Church.
 
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I had a son in August, he was born with a condition called craniosynostosis.

Not sure what happened there but I realised that my son would only be safe if I asked for the intercession of Mary.

I cant explain it, but that was it.
Islam offers me nothing in this world and no promise of the next.

Catholicism is here and now for me, as well as in the next.

Thats what brought me into the Church.

Algebra,
How the grace of the Holy Spirit must be working in you!
Even many Christians don’t realize how asking for the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary is so pleasing to Her Son!
She always urges us to, “Do whatever He tells you.” John 2:5 But the beauty part is that She always helps us in doing just that!

I’m sure that you have learned to pray the rosary in your RCIA classes. Next to the Holy Mass, this prayer is very pleasing to Her!

Please be assured that your intentions are in my rosary tonight, as I am very sure they are in the prayer intentions of all your CA brothers and sisters in Christ!

To Jesus, Through Mary
 
algebra said:
What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?
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I used to admire their piety and obedience to Allah and call to prayer. I thought some Muslims are extremely honest people. However, on deeper thought, one would find these entire characteristic in Catholicism and in some cases we are even better than them. Generally I admire the mentioned qualities and if Muslims happen to possess them then these particular Muslims are to be admired.

Having said that, there is nothing that worth admired in Islam that is not available in Christianity. In fact Christians have better attitude to prayer, for example. There are Christians who pray more than Muslims; and they are not forced to do so. In the area of love and charity, Christians are way ahead of Muslims. I am sorry that I cannot find anything exceptional to be admired in them.
 
To everyone who is bashing R-Not - you really have fallen into the Islamic trap and you should climb out quickly. This is their 20 year plan for the West worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898 and if you do not wake up and smell the coffee they will succeed. Think about it.

I live in London and have just got out of an abusive relationship with a Muslim man. I know from personal experience what their goals are and what they are like. You should read these sites and get an accurate picture of what they do.

shoebat.com (Palestinian ex-Muslim - he gets death threats for telling the truth about Palestine and Hamas)
thereligionofpeace.com
faithfreedom.org (Ali SIna who started this site gets death threats too)
apostatesofislam.com

If anything read the sites to see what the future will hold for your children and grandchildren if they get their way.

Also, whatever board you go on people like R_Not that tell the truth usuing passages from their own books get suspended/deleted. Do you know they are not allowed to even question their religion? Everything R_Not says is true and you should read it and consider it yourself. Pick up a Quran and the Hadiths and see for yourself. They are allowed to lie to non-believers if it is for the advancement of Islam.

I find the hijab to be a politcal statement. Do you know that hijabs etc are banned in Tunisia and Turkey? They should have a EU wide ban as well. In London especially since the Gaza thing they are all wearing them and I find it quite threatening.
 
There’s nothing about Islam to admire because it’s based on lies.

Only truth can be admired.
 
**I feel sad for you that you can be so blind. Everything R_Not says it backed up by passages from the Quran. The same people you seem to be supporting on this topic are the same people who beleive you are going to burn in hell for not believing it. Perhaps you should open a Quran and read it yourself. I hope you read the sites that I posted for your own good and the good of your children and grandchildren. **
 
LDNCatholic said:
I believe thinking like that is dangerous.
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It is dangerous if you are looking for a victim that will not fight back – because in me you have not found one.

I live in the midst of Muslims. Recently a father and brother strangled their daughter/sister because she would not wear the hijab to school. Now she lies in an unmarked grave which her family will not allow anyone else to memorialize. They want her to disappear, to be obliterated, for the crime of disobeying men.

There was also a Muslim who stabbed his daughter in law to death because his increasing demands for cash from her family (it was an arranged marriage) were finally too much for the family. He had previously imprisoned her and taken her child away and sent him to his homeland.

I think this kind of thinking and behaviour is dangerous. Silly me, eh?
 
Charlotte2008 said:
**I feel sad for you that you can be so blind. Everything R_Not says it backed up by passages from the Quran. The same people you seem to be supporting on this topic are the same people who beleive you are going to burn in hell for not believing it. Perhaps you should open a Quran and read it yourself. I hope you read the sites that I posted for your own good and the good of your children and grandchildren. **
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I totally agree, people cant accept that R_Not is direct and honest, and shows islam for what is really is.
If you dont like what she has to say, dont read her posts, its simple.
 
algebra said:
I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.
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Beside this, what do you admire about Islam?
 
dolphinlove said:
I totally agree, people cant accept that R_Not is direct and honest, and shows islam for what is really is.
If you dont like what she has to say, dont read her posts, its simple.
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Oh noo, I think it’s better that they read the posts and complain. At least then something will sink in and one day will click. 😃
 
Appleby said:
It is dangerous if you are looking for a victim that will not fight back – because in me you have not found one.

I live in the midst of Muslims. Recently a father and brother strangled their daughter/sister because she would not wear the hijab to school. Now she lies in an unmarked grave which her family will not allow anyone else to memorialize. They want her to disappear, to be obliterated, for the crime of disobeying men.

There was also a Muslim who stabbed his daughter in law to death because his increasing demands for cash from her family (it was an arranged marriage) were finally too much for the family. He had previously imprisoned her and taken her child away and sent him to his homeland.

I think this kind of thinking and behaviour is dangerous. Silly me, eh?
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Do you know her name? I would love to pray for her. I would visit her grave too if I lived in Canada.
 
Love and admiration are not the same thing.

The admiration of Satan is just about the greatest compliment that a Muslim can receive.

However, do Muslims want Satan to love us?

No, we most definitely do not want this love.
 
We have a couple of posters who are Muslims who wish to covert/have converted but still live in nations where they will be KILLED the second they admit it. What they say on here is amazingly the same as what R_Not and others post.

FOr the record, and she knows this, R_not and I have not always agreed on the approach that she takes. However, she does back up her claims and puts them where they can be refuted. Very few Muslims on here have attempted to do so. In fact, it is typically Christians who try.

R_not has more first hand experience living in totalitarian Muslim nations than most of this board combined. She has seen women executed for not covering, beaten for driving, and more. She has lived amongst those who claim there is no compulsion in religion then force you to hide what you are.
 
On the contrary, I would say that Satan admires things that most Christians do not.

For example, while Satan absolutely hates the following action that Muslims perform regularly, he nevertheless respects and admires it very much.

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Question is, do Christians admire it as well?

The fact that they are so very reluctant to do it themselves in their own prayers would surely mean that the answer is ‘No’.
 
hamba2han said:
On the contrary, I would say that Satan admires things that most Christians do not.

For example, while Satan absolutely hates the following action that Muslims perform regularly, he nevertheless respects and admires it very much.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/hamba2han/Sajda.jpg?t=1230666024

Question is, do Christians admire it as well?

The fact that they are so very reluctant to do it themselves in their own prayers would surely mean that the answer is ‘No’.
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Did Satan tell you that when you were washing him out of your nose, or when he slipped into your ear when you sneezed, or when you forgot to say that thing you say before intercourse with your wife and he …
 
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