What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[algebra]

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

 

[spoiltvictorian]

I like to drink tea and play backgammon with Muslims.

Also, I like the authority fathers have over their children, even if they often exercise it against the law.

They also refuse to charge interest which used to be the Christian position. (Yes, they try to get around it now.)

 

[ralphinal]

They have a singleminded dedication to their faith that, if within limits, is commendable

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Those that I have met are pious and gentle and very polite. The one Imam I have met was gracious and helpful in explaining his faith and gave me several books to add to our library.

 

[Schluns]

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places. I find this statement to broad.

 

[R_not]

Nothing. they worship a god that is deceptive and wants his own creatures dead, or subjugated to sharia laws - the worst human rights disasters of all times.

They worship an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord.

And they distort his deeds into an aura of goodness/holiness.

They have no concept of ‘human beings’ - only believers/unbelievers and they also divide our world into the realm of war (dar al harb) and the realm of islam (dar al islam) which basically means they are at war with us.

Their koran is full of violence and commands to commit violence against the unbelievers and that includes torture, enslavement and killing.

Slavery is still in the islamic world, as is abuse against women.

The single minded denial of all of this is just mind boggling and people take their FACADE of peacefulness as something good. While they support such terrorists as hamas who are currently lobbing bombs into Israel again - and so the ‘peaceful’ ones are all happy and not making a peep out of that.

Their redefinitions of words, and also sin, gives them the excuse to commit all these atrocities, including lying about what islam is all about and what it means for us - death, conversion or subjugation.

 

[algebra]

Perhaps.

My experience with Christians has been rather limited.

On the one hand I have seen the televangelists who seem to be committed to their faith, except when it is an inconvenience to them.

On the other hand I have met some Catholics who are more interested in Sunday Mass, than the value of positive living in their lives.

Muslims on the other hand seem to be very committed to the letter and spirit of their faith (however warped it may be in my opinion)

 

[Charlotte2008]

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

**How Muslim is your husband? I am surprised you did not have to convert when you got married.

Personally I don’t admire anything about Islam - please watch the video in my signature to see why I would never follow Mohammed. Some Muslims are nice enough but they are usually the ones who are not practising. I was in a relationship with a Muslim for 3 years and have met enough to know what really goes on in their minds. No, it is not a good thing.

I strongly disagree with your comment about commitment to faith. It is quite a broad and unhelpful comment especially on a Catholic forum when I am sure most are very committed to God. Just because we do not pray several times a day at a Mosque doesn’t mean we don’t pray.
**

 

[algebra]

Nothing. they worship a god that is deceptive and wants his own creatures dead, or subjugated to sharia laws - the worst human rights disasters of all times.

The same as the God mentioned in the Bible.

They worship an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord.

He was also a teacher, caring (in some cases) and interested in the welfare of his ummah

They have no concept of ‘human beings’ - only believers/unbelievers and they also divide our world into the realm of war (dar al harb) and the realm of islam (dar al islam) which basically means they are at war with us.

Yes I agree.

Their koran is full of violence and commands to commit violence against the unbelievers and that includes torture, enslavement and killing.

As is the Bible.

Slavery is still in the islamic world, as is abuse against women.

As it is present in the western world too.
It is neither sanctioned nor encouraged by islam, itself.

Their redefinitions of words, and also sin, gives them the excuse to commit all these atrocities, including lying about what islam is all about and what it means for us - death, conversion or subjugation.

I agree there is some lying about what islam really is, especially by people giving da’wah or evngelising.

Its something I have taken to challenging when I observe it happening.

There is a group that gives dawah in my city, I have on one occasion stood there and refuted the misrepresentations of the da’ee.

 

[R_not]

Perhaps.

My experience with Christians has been rather limited.

On the one hand I have seen the televangelists who seem to be committed to their faith, except when it is an inconvenience to them.

On the other hand I have met some Catholics who are more interested in Sunday Mass, than the value of positive living in their lives.

Muslims on the other hand seem to be very committed to the letter and spirit of their faith (however warped it may be in my opinion)

Commitment to what? lying/deception, supporting jihadists in their quest against unbelievers - even women and children? Intolerance and bigotry against others in their lands to such a point that the non-muslim have no rights?

Maybe you should crack open a koran sometime and read what they are so committed to. Or read a book about mohammed and find that the muslims that attack women and children are doing exactly what mohammed did - for loot and slaves.

And not a peep about the slavery that still exists in islam! Read what they do to little boys and little girls for these ‘committed’ muslims: Slavery in islam

Or the censorship in their lands, and their working to censor in our lands too, the discussion of islam, mohammed or allah. In their lands they just kill the ones who question or discuss. They kill the ones who try to leave.

Maybe look at this commitment as a fear of going to heaven or hell because basically all of their stuff is for naught - their prophet, the koran, the killing, etc because islam has predestination. Does the muslim mother who is so happy her kid just blew himself up while trying to murder infidels really get to be one of the 70 that are named as the saved? Are they sure that bypasses predestination?

And their god! That is basically mohammed taking his pagan god, allah, and inserting himself into its personality. As mohammed degenerated so did his allah. Do some reading and find out for yourself.

 

[algebra]

**How Muslim is your husband? I am surprised you did not have to convert when you got married.
**

I am a man. my wife is a muslim, its a long story, I was muslim and now am being baptised Catholic.

In a way it was my wife who introduced me to God, for this I am always thankful to her.

I strongly disagree with your comment about commitment to faith. It is quite a broad and unhelpful comment especially on a Catholic forum when I am sure most are very committed to God. Just because we do not pray several times a day at a Mosque doesn’t mean we don’t pray.

 

[ralphinal]

I am a man. my wife is a muslim, its a long story, I was muslim and now am being baptised Catholic.

In a way it was my wife who introduced me to God, for this I am always thankful to her.

Statistically (as a percentage of total population) christians are not religious.

As a jew by birth, I can assure you that the numbers for jews are even more disappointing.

The issue of irreligious Christians and Jews is misleading. The problem is not inherent with their faith but with the Culture in which they live. Statistics say that when exposed to a non-authoritarian culture that allows for freedom FROM religion, Muslims become as irreligious as anyone else.

 

[jakasaki]

algebra Quote:

Originally Posted by R_not
Nothing. they worship a god that is deceptive and wants his own creatures dead, or subjugated to sharia laws - the worst human rights disasters of all times.

The same as the God mentioned in the Bible.

I don’t believe there is an allah in the Bible.

God is most often called by two names, namely 'el and its more commonly used plural form, 'elohim and Jehovah YHWH, Yehovah or Yahweh.

The Jews, being very reverential of God, do not pronounce the latter, and many Bible translations uses the translational device of LORD, all in capital letters to translate the latter name.

When Moses asked for God’s name, God described Himself to be “I AM THAT I AM” (hayah hayah)

And remember allah is alone <------- no Jesus in this picture - so, no not the same.

 

[R_not]

allah is not the same God in the Bible.

We have discussed this so much in other threads.

allah was mohammed’s god of his pagan religion. mohammed was not a Jew nor was he a Christian, but he was an illiterate pagan who couldn’t read the Bible but probably heard stories that is why the Biblical stories in the koran are so screwed up. But, he was smart in that he told his followers that we were the ones who corrupted the Bible.

There is no other proof other than mohammed saying it was corrupted.

And as for the violence in the Bible - please provide proof that there is command for us to continue that violence. Any violence has been stopped for millenia and in islam that violence continues.

His atrocities override being a teacher. Taught what? How to kill, carry on as an enslaver or a sex maniac, or how to steal and loot, or how to lie to infidels if they need to lie in order to deceive us about islam so they can carry on their agenda and establish sharia laws so we can be subjugated?

Sura (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

Sura (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

Sura (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

Sura (2:225) - “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

Sura (66:2) - “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths” Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

Before you start spouting about slavery and use tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out that others also, perhaps even the accuser, do the same thing you better read about slavery. We stopped it decades ago.

Start using your critical thinking ‘cap’ instead of just accepting the usual arguments. Question their excuses for their poor behavior.

 

[jakasaki]

I am a man. ~~~~ *Snip *~~~~~
As a jew by birth, I can assure you that the numbers for jews are even more disappointing.

I need to understand this please.

Jew by birth
Converted at one point to islam/muslim
Now you are getting ready to be baptised Catholic?

Do I have this right so far?

And your wife is still a muslim and is practicing islam?

 

[R_not]

I don’t believe there is an allah in the Bible.

God is most often called by two names, namely 'el and its more commonly used plural form, 'elohim and Jehovah YHWH, Yehovah or Yahweh.

The Jews, being very reverential of God, do not pronounce the latter, and many Bible translations uses the translational device of LORD, all in capital letters to translate the latter name.

When Moses asked for God’s name, God described Himself to be “I AM THAT I AM” (hayah hayah)

And remember allah is alone <------- no Jesus in this picture - so, no not the same.

No, YHWH is not one of the 99 names for allah. Neither is ‘Father’. That is part of the reason why mohammed is not a prophet. Some other reasons is that he is not from the line of Biblical prophets, he changed the message of the Bible, as he changed the message of his own koran quite often! That is why so many surahs that were abrogated.

He is a self-proclaimed prophet and he changed the message of the Bible so much so that he even redefined sin! It isn’t a sin to do anything they want to unbelievers. Sharia laws have no care about unbelievers - if they accept dhimmitude they are to follow those rules and if they do not then they can be treated however the muslims treat them.

That is what they want in our lands too - to establish sharia laws and to not necessarily to convert us but to subjugate us to their nasty laws that they say are from allah.

No, allah is not the God of Israel. You can see the difference in laws based on Judeo-Christian principles and they are like night and day. Ironic since islam’s symbols are of the night.

 

[R_not]

I am a man. my wife is a muslim, its a long story, I was muslim and now am being baptised Catholic.

In a way it was my wife who introduced me to God, for this I am always thankful to her.

Statistically (as a percentage of total population) christians are not religious.

As a jew by birth, I can assure you that the numbers for jews are even more disappointing.

I actually turned to my religion, Catholicism, even more so after 9/11. I started reading about islam and gobbled up the books. And all it did was repulse me and I turned to the Church. I need it to soothe me since I keep myself up on islam in order to tell the truth about it. I need a spiritual rest from it though.

I am disappointed in the Jews overall, as I am disappointed in the Catholics, who do not turn to their Church and think that secularism, or islam, is the way. Or become islamic apologists/appeasers. But, it was a Jewess that got me started on the path that I am on now and I thank her. She is one of the few that I admire because she knows about history/politics and especially concerning Israel.

 

[Appleby]

Nothing. I believe Muslims are dangerous.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Nothing. they worship a god that is deceptive and wants his own creatures dead, or subjugated to sharia laws - the worst human rights disasters of all times.

They worship an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord.

And they distort his deeds into an aura of goodness/holiness.

They have no concept of ‘human beings’ - only believers/unbelievers and they also divide our world into the realm of war (dar al harb) and the realm of islam (dar al islam) which basically means they are at war with us.

Their koran is full of violence and commands to commit violence against the unbelievers and that includes torture, enslavement and killing.

Slavery is still in the islamic world, as is abuse against women.

The single minded denial of all of this is just mind boggling and people take their FACADE of peacefulness as something good. While they support such terrorists as hamas who are currently lobbing bombs into Israel again - and so the ‘peaceful’ ones are all happy and not making a peep out of that.

Their redefinitions of words, and also sin, gives them the excuse to commit all these atrocities, including lying about what islam is all about and what it means for us - death, conversion or subjugation.

Given that this forum section deals with Non-RCC faiths, by definition, why come and say such unkind things? No one, not even your own church is so cruel as to suggest what you say.

You have an interesting signature, yet you fail to follow it yourself, and go out of your way to remind people that a small segment of a faith has strayed from truth. You would say the same of Christianity, and the same may well be said of Judaism. Each has its radical element. To call all Muslims bad is simply uncalled for, visciously unfair and hatred filled.

 

[ralphinal]

Given that this forum section deals with Non-RCC faiths, by definition, why come and say such unkind things? No one, not even your own church is so cruel as to suggest what you say.

You have an interesting signature, yet you fail to follow it yourself, and go out of your way to remind people that a small segment of a faith has strayed from truth. You would say the same of Christianity, and the same may well be said of Judaism. Each has its radical element. To call all Muslims bad is simply uncalled for, visciously unfair and hatred filled.

Not that there is any reason for me to comment, why don’t you ask R_not where she gets her ideas? On what basis did she come to this conclusion?