What do YOU think about Us Catholics and our veneration of Mary

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Neither do we Jews follow all 613 commandments. Some can NO LONGER be followed in modern society; others must be followed in DIFFERENT WAYS according to the Oral Law interpretation; still others were NEVER MEANT to be followed in a literal way, and so their true meaning must be interpreted. The (Hebrew) Bible is the architecture of the Law and omits many of the specific details, which must be filled in by the Talmud.
 
mcq72 said:
I wonder what you think of protestant veneration of Mary
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I LOVE to hear of protestants who venerate the Blessed Virgin! I got to listen to a sermon on Mary and the Virgin Birth by Pastor Charles Lawson (Southern Baptist preacher, or just “Baptist”?). Most of it was really great. He spoke a great deal about the need to honor the Mother of Jesus, but he didn’t really give any examples of how to go about that. It left me with a question: since he didn’t give any examples of how to do it, how exactly is a Christian to go about honoring Mary as he says we should? What act(s) of honor would be worthy of honoring the Mother of Jesus Christ, whom God first honored?
 
Sorry. Adoration does mean worship and deification, and is given only to G-d. Super veneration (hyperdulia) is given to Mary alone, while veneration to the saints. Think I got the terms right now.
 
Of course. With no temple, there is no temple worship or sacrifice. But, some oddball Christians observe the Sabbath and some dietary restrictions.
 
Dacinom said:
Thank you for sharing your honest opinion. With all Christian charity I can read the 10 commandments, I know I am to worship God alone. I don’t worship Mary, and Mary doesn’t want my worship anyway. I understand it can look similar though but please be kind and don’t imply we’re lying. God bless and thank you for letting me share my thoughts.
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THAT is a VERY good thing; because neither DO WE Catholics:thinking:

We VENERATE Her, Reverence Her; BUT “Worship” is reserved for God alone.

Continued Blessings my friend
Patrick [the OP]
 
It is a special grace we receive as human beings, not only Catholic. Anyone can ask her for help, and what’s more, she gave us 15 promises she will honor if we are sincere,work to remain sinless and make a special devotion to Her.

They do orient to Her Son’s Church, but non Catholics can receive graces conditional to their needs nonetheless.

http://www.theholyrosary.org/rosarybenefits
 
PJM said:
hmmm, Mary was chosen by our GOD out literally BILLIONS of other choices; can we make this hilighted statement?

I completely AGREE with the rest of your post;

Continued Blessings

Patrick
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I was referring to Our Lord’s pointed correction of the woman whose statement to the crowd implied Mary was blessed based solely on the fact of physical motherhood. In at least one translation (I cannot read the original language), the woman refers directly to Mary’s body parts as being blessed: “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”

God did not just choose Mary out of other choices. Our Lady–indeed, every one of us reading this!–was created with a purpose in life unique to her. God didn’t just churn out billions of us only to later choose us for something. Every single one of us has been custom-made for a particular and unrepeatable relationship with God. Our purpose in life flows out of that unique relationship.
 
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gadarperets said:
I reject the article on the grounds that it is unscriptural and impossible for the woman to represent four different things/people.

The Bible doesn’t tell us about Mary’s labor pains, but if you believe she is the woman in Rev 12, then you MUST believe she had labor pains before giving birth to Yeshua. However, Isaiah tells us Zion had no labor pains when she brought forth her son.
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I do not know why it is impossible for a single passage to refer to more than one person or thing.
 
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First, it is a prophecy that would be fulfilled in John’s future. Therefore, the woman cannot refer to Eve. It cannot refer to the church as the woman because the church is the child that is born at the resurrection.

It cannot refer to Israel as the woman because the woman is wearing a crown that represent Israel. The woman cannot represent Mary because this birth takes place as a result of the 7th trumpet being blown long after Mary lived. She also cannot be the woman because of the labor pains issue I mentioned. The fact is, the woman represents the saints that will be resurrected at the sound of the last trump. The last trump mentioned in Scripture is the 7th trumpet which is also the last in a series of trumpets judgments.
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I mean that as a principle I don’t see why a single passage could not refer to more than one person or situation in salvation history. I also see no reason a prophet could not have a vision that clarified the meaning of an event in the past rather than predicting a future event. Prophets are not people who predict future. Prophets see the truth in ways not seen by others.
 
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PJM said:
Dear friend in Christ,

What do YOU think about us Catholics and our veneration of Mary?
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It isn’t done nearly as much as it needs to be.

This is the opinion of Mary herself:

“See, my daughter, my Heart encircled by thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment by their blasphemies and ingratitude. Do you, at least, strive to console me.”

And Our Lord:

“Have pity on the Heart of your Most Holy Mother. It is covered with thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment, and there is no one to remove them with an act of reparation.”

As a whole, we generally do not honor Our Mother nearly as much as we should.
 
ahs said:
So, the clear language of Scripture and the commentaries clearly show us that the truth is found in “both/and”, as opposed to “either/or”.
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Maybe. I would rather say the “both/and” is subject to a primary and a secondary. Revelations is future, prophetic, end times. What Mary did was past , therefore is secondary , or a foreshadow, just as john the baptist was a foreshadow of "Elijah’, that will appear at end times
 
mcq72 said:
Maybe. I would rather say the “both/and” is subject to a primary and a secondary. Revelations is future, prophetic, end times. What Mary did was past , therefore is secondary , or a foreshadow, just as john the baptist was a foreshadow of "Elijah’, that will appear at end times
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There are theologians and Biblical scholars arguing from the first few centuries to this day about what such-n-such verse in Revelations means, so I don’t pretend to be able know all about it, nor limit it to one interpretation or another, etc. At any rate, I got back on topic at post #108.
 
ahs said:
since he didn’t give any examples of how to do it, how exactly is a Christian to go about honoring Mary as he says we should? What act(s) of honor would be worthy of honoring the Mother of Jesus Christ, whom God first honored?
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well whatever we do should be done in truth and spirit, anything less is below honor. This is what Mary suggested and prophesied,

“for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”

So acknowledging her exemplary blessedness, and calling her blessed seems sufficient. I would also think it would be honoring to pray for grace to be as obedient and humble as she, whatever our calling . Of course I understand many choose to pray to her as in Rosary or have statues of her, or give her many titles. I hope the former does not seem lacking, for apparently it seeemed sufficient for the apostles, that is, there is no record of them going beyond it.
 
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Dacinom said:
I apologise if there was a misunderstanding? I meant to address my post to Florida angler who implied we were not being honest. That we should just admit we worship Mary. I agree with you completely! God bless!
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Protestants typically view veneration of Mary by Catholics as worshipping her. That’s one thing I learned in Protestant churches.
 
There’s one other thing I love about Catholics, and that’s the fact that you pray for people. It’s extremely pleasant when people tell you you’re in their prayers!
 
I like Marian devotion, it’s a shame protestants don’t see it that way
 
mcq72 said:
well whatever we do should be done in truth and spirit, anything less is below honor. This is what Mary suggested and prophesied,

“for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”
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Amen to that! I think it rather important that she said this, and that all generations henceforth should call her “blessed”. The Spirit inspired no one else to say this of themselves, and we even know that God inspired Elizabeth to call her “blessed among women” in the same sentence she proclaimed Christ to be blessed within Mary’s womb.

I’m not one to judge whether someone has sufficiently honored her. I do think, however, that the woman through whom our Savior chose to come to us should at least receive the honor that Elisha received in 2Kng 4:37 after raising the Shunammite woman’s son, or that of Peter who had people thronging to him just so his shadow might touch the sick among them that they be healed (Acts 5).
We are supposed to image our life after God’s example. And I don’t think anyone could honor Mary so much that it surpasses the honor God gave her in choosing her to give birth to our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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