What do you think of climate change?

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TIME Magazine Cover Did Not Predict a Coming Ice Age
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I was there. They taught the new ice age to us when we were high school kids.

I saw it first hand.

You can quibble about a given cover of a given magazine, but it was taught and supported.
 
Cathoholic said:
phaster . . .
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we all had different educational experiences growing up

the point I am trying to make is,… the scientific false hoods being spread about climate change by political pundits, is akin to saying “Christmas is ONLY about parties and shopping for consumer goods” (and we wouldn’t want that kind of lie to be spread would we?!)

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“The four corners of deceit: government, academia, science and media. Those institutions are now corrupt and exist by virtue of deceit. That’s how they promulgate themselves; it is how they prosper.” It is tempting to laugh off this and other rhetoric broadcast by Rush Limbaugh, a conservative US radio host, but Limbaugh and similar voices are no laughing matter.

…Denialism over global warming has become a scientific cause célèbre within the movement. Limbaugh, for instance, who has told his listeners that “science has become a home for displaced socialists and communists”, has called climate-change science “the biggest scam in the history of the world”.

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Y2K, AGW, CV19 - are prime examples of how cattle get steered into corrals of AntiChristians

via instilling Fear…

Moral - Be Not Afraid
 
I’ve been poking around on Judith Curry’s blog, especially this: “Culturally-determined response to climate change.” It’s quite entertaining, especially in section 3: A search for Rationality. Apparently there isn’t much to be found.

If we needed another hint that it is not rationality driving affirmative responses to ‘The climate is changing and human activity is mainly responsible’, this is it.

Also, section 4 had some intriguing observations as well:

Similarly to children, another sub-demographic within irreligious nations at the LHS of Chart 1 where core belief in CCCC prospers more than in the general population, is the elite…The easy acceptance of Greta/CSW by secular elites is not a coincidence.

Yet in countries where religion has long atrophied over generations, newer culture can more easily muscle into elite layers via the provision of high-moral-ground plus emotive persuasion. Subconsciously, the latter features are extremely desirable as shortcuts for promoting / extending an elite profile (see SI Footnote 3), when exhausted religion no longer supplies this service.

Apparently policies that have high virtue signalling aspects do well among the irreligious elites. Is this accurate? Not for me to say, but, as I said, the observations are interesting.
 
EndTimes said:
Y2K, AGW, CV19 - are prime examples of how cattle get steered into corrals of AntiChristians

via instilling Fear…

Moral - Be Not Afraid
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Here we come to what seems to me the crux of the matter. As with evolution, it’s not the science that is the issue. It’s faith.
 
There are plenty of evolution vs creationism threads in the Philosophy forum. We don’t need to hijack a climate change thread to discuss evolution.
 
CJS said:
I think were screwed. We can’t get people to wear a mask, how can we tackle climate change.
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We only need 2/3 of people to wear a mask, which many areas are accomplishing.

Some areas may require an uptick in cases before they ‘get it’ and change their ways.
 
EndTimes said:
The Corona Alarmism stole all the Alarmism from the Climate-ites.
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domestic right wing politicians, pundits and partisans push that narrative

looking at the big international picture, polls on the issue indicate other wise

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Theo520 said:
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CJS:
I think were screwed. We can’t get people to wear a mask, how can we tackle climate change.
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We only need 2/3 of people to wear a mask, which many areas are accomplishing.

Some areas may require an uptick in cases before they ‘get it’ and change their ways.
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TRUMP 2020,… hypocrite???
Trump Doesn’t Want You to See Him Wearing a Mask

…President Donald Trump made very clear that he doesn’t want to be seen wearing a face mask. The government that Trump leads, however, wants all Americans to wear face coverings in public; it’s even purchasing tens of millions of dollars’ worth of them. Most states now require, by law, people to wear masks in public spaces to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. It’s one of the concessions of trying to reopen parts of the economy and restart daily life. But the president of the United States won’t do it.

Trump refuses to wear a mask in public at Michigan Ford plant.
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Former homeland security adviser Tom Bossert said Sunday that President Trump’s decision to not wear a mask in public “isn’t very useful.”

…Bossert advised the public to wear a mask, wash their hands and keep up social distancing, even if stay-at-home orders have expired.

He also encouraged Americans to “pray and think about those that passed in our former wars for Memorial Day” and “also those that passed in the last three months.”

“100,000 souls have been lost in this country,” he said.

Former adviser on Trump not wearing mask in public: 'Do as I say not as I do isn't very useful' | TheHill
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now back to the regular climate change banter,…
 
EndTimes said:
the LEFT is led by Satan?
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huh,… don’t know what to say about that,… BUT in the mean time there is cultural civil war going on
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Trump is set to announce an executive order against social media companies World News

AND simultaneously we see
‘Zombie fires’ are erupting in Siberia and Alaska, signaling severe Arctic fire season may lie ahead

Siberia is in the throes of a heat wave that would be considered warm even by the standards of those living outside the Arctic Circle.

In Washington, for example, the temperature has been stuck in the 60s all week, reaching a maximum of 73 degrees Thursday. Yet several stations in North Central Siberia, including areas near or above the Arctic Circle, are seeing temperatures climb well into the 80s.

On Friday, the town of Khatanga, Siberia, located well north of the Arctic Circle, recorded a temperature of 78 degrees, some 46 degrees above normal.

…scientists have raised growing concerns about the stability of Arctic permafrost, including stretches of permanently frozen soil located throughout Siberia. When the permafrost thaws, carbon dioxide and other planet-warming greenhouse gases that had been locked away for centuries is freed up, constituting an accelerant to global warming.

Scientists refer to this phenomena as the somewhat innocuous-sounding “positive climate feedback,” which in reality is not a good thing.

www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/28/zombie-fires-burning-arctic-siberia/
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the one constant in all this mess is TRUMPs response to climate news reports

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EndTimes said:
LEFTISM for sure… The Far Right? at least very close…
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sigh,… political . . . nonsense.
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Whataboutism
Come again, Comrade?

SOVIET propagandists during the cold war were trained in a tactic that their western interlocutors nicknamed “whataboutism”. Any criticism of the Soviet Union (Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, imprisonment of dissidents, censorship) was met with a “What about…” (apartheid South Africa, jailed trade-unionists, the Contras in Nicaragua, and so forth).

…Whataboutism seemed to have died a natural death at the end of the cold war. But now it seems to be making a comeback. Your columnist took part in a live television conversation with some Russian colleagues last week, supposedly to discuss the bad image of Russia in the British press.

…the bigger problem is finding a way to discuss Russia’s problems in a way that does not immediately lead to a sterile argument reminiscent of the ponderous tirades of the 1980s.

One solution is to use points made by Russian leaders themselves.

Whataboutism | The Economist
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God have mercy on the USA

www.TinyURL.com/CCpolitics
 
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