What do you think of greeters?

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Cat: enough with bashing the protestants. They are not the monolithic paranoid, judgmental group. If you do not wish others to generalize their reaction to greeters, even if it is rather broad (over a dozen parishes in four diocese and three states in my case), then realize that you are consistently doing the same thing to other Christians.
What Protestant church did you belong to for 47 years?

I grew up in the Conference Baptist churches, spent two years (in college) at the Christian church, moved South and attended a Southern Baptist church for two years, then moved to the Christian and Missionary Alliance Church for ten years, moved back North and worked for two years to plant a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church (it failed), joined the Reformed Church in America for two years, went back to the Conference Baptist Church for two years, and finally, joined an Evangelical Free Church in America for almost seven years.

My husband grew up in the Assemblies of God Churches, and when he met me (we were teens), his church journey was the same as mine.

Both my husband and I were incredibly involved. We were either in the church or preparing for a church ministry at least 5-6 days/evenings a week. My babies were in the church nursery when they were one week old so that I could continue my various ministries in the church. Both my husband and I were evangelicals of evangelicals–loyal, faithful, enthusiastic.

I am not bashing Protestants. I’m describing the way ALL of my evangelical Protestant churches were.

There is nothing negative in my description of how evangelicals will pray for the salvation of Catholics, whom many of them consider to be non-Christians (or pagans or idol worshippers). Why do you call that “bashing?”

Of course there are Protestant churches, including evangelical Protestant churches, that do NOT teach that Catholics are non-Christian. But I’ll stand by my assertation that evangelical Protestant churches generally pray for the salvation of Catholics. They also send missionaries into Catholic nations to convert the Catholics to Christianity.
 
Amen to that!! For the life of me I do not understand no matter what the subject on most all at least 95% of the threads here at wind up bashing the Protestants for one thing or another. Seems unreal to me that we couldn’t be finding ways to show Gods love and talk about His Goodness and Great things He has done. Whenever someone such as myself tries to defend or show compassion I am told I am going to Hell(not on this thread) am not a Catholic. Well if being judgemental towards my fellow man means I am Catholic ,guess I pass on what you think a Catholic should or shouldn’t be. In Christ’s love:shrug:
tweetymom, read my post above. I respect your posts so far in this thread.

I am not bashing Protestants. I personally think that use of the word “Protestantized” should be banned on CAF. It seems that some of the people here consider it the ultimate insult for their churches to have “Protestant” traits. Well, I grew up Protestant and even though I realize that it was lacking much, especially Jesus in the Eucharist–I loved being Protestant, I learned a lot, and many of the people in the Protestant churches WILL BE standing ahead of the Catholics in heaven because of their love for the Lord and for their fellow man.

I had an awful day at work today–I may end up quitting my job of 20 years because of toxic people. I really find it discouraging to come here and see people criticizing the greeters. I think that those people who are quick to criticize should take their priest out to dinner and ask him point-blank why he is Protestantizing the Church by having greeters before and after Mass. Let the priest explain himself.
 
tweetymom, read my post above. I respect your posts so far in this thread.

I am not bashing Protestants. I personally think that use of the word “Protestantized” should be banned on CAF. It seems that some of the people here consider it the ultimate insult for their churches to have “Protestant” traits. Well, I grew up Protestant and even though I realize that it was lacking much, especially Jesus in the Eucharist–I loved being Protestant, I learned a lot, and many of the people in the Protestant churches WILL BE standing ahead of the Catholics in heaven because of their love for the Lord and for their fellow man.

I had an awful day at work today–I may end up quitting my job of 20 years because of toxic people. I really find it discouraging to come here and see people criticizing the greeters. I think that those people who are quick to criticize should take their priest out to dinner and ask him point-blank why he is Protestantizing the Church by having greeters before and after Mass. Let the priest explain himself.
Well said, Cat. I’ve been a Catholic for 20 years and consider myself to be pretty traditionally minded and orthodox. That said, I grew up in a Protestant family and tradition. I have noticed a tendency by some here on this board to equate anything Protestant with being somehow anti-Catholic, or any that anything that may have roots in a Protestant tradition is somehow tainted. Hey, some Protestants serve doughnuts after their service. Does that mean if it’s done at my Parish we’re somehow becoming Protestant-ized? Maybe a doughnut is just a doughnut and a greeter is just someone saying good morning and “Welcome to Church.”
 
Well said, Cat. I’ve been a Catholic for 20 years and consider myself to be pretty traditionally minded and orthodox. That said, I grew up in a Protestant family and tradition. I have noticed a tendency by some here on this board to equate anything Protestant with being somehow anti-Catholic, or any that anything that may have roots in a Protestant tradition is somehow tainted. Hey, some Protestants serve doughnuts after their service. Does that mean if it’s done at my Parish we’re somehow becoming Protestant-ized? Maybe a doughnut is just a doughnut and a greeter is just someone saying good morning and “Welcome to Church.”
I agree 100%.
 
tweetymom, read my post above. I respect your posts so far in this thread.

I am not bashing Protestants. I personally think that use of the word “Protestantized” should be banned on CAF. It seems that some of the people here consider it the ultimate insult for their churches to have “Protestant” traits. Well, I grew up Protestant and even though I realize that it was lacking much, especially Jesus in the Eucharist–I loved being Protestant, I learned a lot, and many of the people in the Protestant churches WILL BE standing ahead of the Catholics in heaven because of their love for the Lord and for their fellow man.

I had an awful day at work today–I may end up quitting my job of 20 years because of toxic people. I really find it discouraging to come here and see people criticizing the greeters. I think that those people who are quick to criticize should take their priest out to dinner and ask him point-blank why he is Protestantizing the Church by having greeters before and after Mass. Let the priest explain himself.
What I am saying is that every topic that comes up winds up with some sort of Prorestant bashing. I was half way raised Catholic and half way nothing. When I grew older I became a Baptist then my first husband decided to go to Church and we went to an Assembly Church for many years. So been there done that. I was very happy in my Church, but always wanted to return to the Church of my childhood. I did 9 years ago and I am just as happy because I have Jesus in my heart, not any Church.

So if people don’t like greeters don’t look at them, trust me if you want to avoid saying hi go for it!

I must say in all my years I have never heard negative things said about Catholics like I hear from Catholics.

I am still very friendly with my Protestant Pastor and his family. They came to my second wedding to a Catholic and have done nothing but be gracious to me and my husband adores them!

I just have a really hard time understanding all that is said here at CAF against Protestants?

God Bless you all in your journry with Christ.
 
One can still have humility and fear/love of God at mass, while as a parish, have “goodwill” and “friendliness”. That can be done with or without greeters. I think many forget that for a long time and even today in smaller communities, a parish was not only the center of prayer and worship of God at mass, but it was also the center of Catholics’ community outside of mass. Their church and parish was everything. I still see this in city parishes, as well as farming parishes - both of which have had problems with being closed down, at least where I’m from, due to shifts in population (within the cities) and lack of priests (in the farming communities). In these places you still witnessed the overwhelming reverence once inside of the church for mass (and even inside the church in general when there there was no mass going on) and then the friendly community which took place outside of the mass.

I find that sometimes the super large parishes with thousands of parishioners have a tendency to not have this kind of natural goodwill and friendly community, so they sometimes try a little too hard to create that community. As a result, it does come off as being too focused on community rather than on the mass, whether or not they mean it to be that way. I agree with what EasterJoy says below and I think it underlines what some of these parishes do wrongly or correctly if they have greeters.
I agree. On top of this, a big parish very often has a huge spectrum of opinions with regards to what reverence is, what good music is, what charity is, and so on. Honestly, there are enough opinions in a big parish to stock about 10-15 denominations, if they were found outside the Church. Yet we have to find a way to have, not only community, but unity within all of that. I think it takes a great deal more patience, kindness, forbearance, perseverance…I think it takes more love, I really do. It is a very demanding situation. It can be very “rich” as people are fond of saying, that is true, but demanding, too. It is the price and payoff of losing “ethnic” parishes in the big cities, too.

If we recognize what a tall order it is, it is easier to be patient with the rough edges, I think.
 
What I am saying is that every topic that comes up winds up with some sort of Prorestant bashing. I was half way raised Catholic and half way nothing. When I grew older I became a Baptist then my first husband decided to go to Church and we went to an Assembly Church for many years. So been there done that. I was very happy in my Church, but always wanted to return to the Church of my childhood. I did 9 years ago and I am just as happy because I have Jesus in my heart, not any Church.

So if people don’t like greeters don’t look at them, trust me if you want to avoid saying hi go for it!

I must say in all my years I have never heard negative things said about Catholics like I hear from Catholics.

I am still very friendly with my Protestant Pastor and his family. They came to my second wedding to a Catholic and have done nothing but be gracious to me and my husband adores them!

I just have a really hard time understanding all that is said here at CAF against Protestants?

God Bless you all in your journry with Christ.
I have my own theory on that.

You have to remember that it was not that long ago that both Catholics and Protestants found some identity in not doing things that the other one did. When Vatican II came around, the Catholic Church became somewhat more willing to stop rejecting certain ways of doing things if the only reason for not doing them seemed to be that the Protestants did it that way. Since members in the Catholic Church were the ones forced to change, the Protestants tended to look at the Church more favorably, feeling more as if the Church accepted them as Christians, but those Catholics forced to change tended to look at the Protestants even less favorably. (As in, “This is all YOUR fault…”, though not necessarily that explicit.)

Then there were places where it became the vogue to choose ways of doing things precisely BECAUSE it wasn’t the way our parents or grandparents did it, even if it went beyond what the Church allowed. Why stick with the “old” liturgical colors? Royal blue is so pretty, so much more “Advent” than purple! Those same parents and grandparents were still very much alive and in those parishes, and they weren’t wild about the changes, understandably so. It was a generation gap and a culture gap, but it wasn’t necessarily felt that way. It felt to some like the Protestants, rather than other Catholics who were infatuated with ideas they got* from *the Protestants, who were taking over the Church.

It wasn’t felt as enrichment, either. It seemed to many that our uniquely Catholic traditions were being supplanted wholesale by ways of doing things that the Protestants did. There was a sense that when a Protestant way of doing things came in, a traditionally Catholic way was going to be thrown out. It seemed to some Catholics that “our” ways were losing out to “their” ways. There is some truth to that. Corpus Christi processions: gone. Forty hours’ devotions: gone. The Rosary: passe. In its place: Bible study. Terms like “Fellowship”, used as a verb, new parish churches that looked more like the new Protestant churches than the old Catholic ones, and all sorts of other vogues that were going through the Protestant churches at the same time. Only we’re Catholic. We have traditions. We don’t do vogues. Well, we didn’t used to, anyway.

In spite of the fact that most saw many “new” things, like reading the Bible more, as a very good thing, there was still the sense of Bible study being “instead of” the Rosary, not “in addition to”. There wasn’t just an infatuation with the new; there was often a disdain for the old. It wasn’t just “confession doesn’t have to be weekly.” No, it went all the way to “who goes to confession any more?!”…and guess who doesn’t have confession? Protestants don’t, that’s who. And who doesn’t need anyone to explain the Bible to them, or worry far more about what “scholars” teach this week than what bishops are still teaching the same as they were centuries ago? Do you get the picture? There were battles over old and new that played out in many minds as battles over the Catholic way or the Protestant way, and there were hard feelings. There still are.

Anyway, it is more about how Catholics have treated each other since Vatican II than how Protestants have treated us. I suspect that it is just that Protestants are blamed as the source of all these “wild ideas”.

It would be like going to Japan and feeling that people resented Americans, when in fact what they resented is how the traditional Japanese ways were being supplanted by infatuations with everything American. It’s not really the American’s fault, it is the Japanese who are choosing American ways, but that distinction might easily be lost on the traditional Japanese you ran into.
 
Thank nyou Easter Joy for your explanation.I never knew these things, and it helps for someone(namely you) to explain in a ration and nice manner. It just seems like there are so many angry people and I admit I have been one many times. I just wish we could all just worship our Savior with respect and love one for another. Again thank you and God Bless you in your journey with Christ:thumbsup:
 
I think this has less to do with the result of having greeters and more to do with the entire parish as a whole. As you have found on this thread, there are “traditional” parishes which do have “greeters”. I can tell you from experience that with those more traditional parishes who have the greeters, you do not get the chattering atmosphere and lack of reverence. It’s quite the opposite.

From what I’ve observed, it starts with the pastor and other leaders within the parish. They set the decorum for inside the church. When quiet and reverence is expected and encouraged, even if there is talking outside, as soon as the people step inside the church, all talking ceases. I’ve experienced a parish change from a more conservative pastor to a more liberal pastor. This was a neighborhood, city parish that I worked in for about two years where families have been attending mass and the school for generations. So, almost everyone knew each other and they were very friendly, welcoming and lovely people as a whole. They had their social events that were so lovely in terms of real parish community, after mass coffee&donuts (which were well-attended) as well as the typical talking outside of the church prior to mass from the parking lot or while walking to mass from their homes. BUT as soon as they stepped from the vestibule into the church, it was silent and reverent.

When that pastor left and the new, more liberal pastor came in, the entire atmosphere changed. He encouraged talking prior to mass, thinking it “created more community”. He even instituted that “meet and greet” thing when mass began. The place became less about mass and more about a social event which they already had outside of the mass and outside of the church building itself. What I found very interesting, which you touched upon in your post, was that the older people in between their 50s-70s were the most supportive of this kind of change within their parish. And sadly, most people just follow along because they see that the pastor is allowing it, so it must be ok.

So, I think that what you are seeing is more of larger situation with the parish itself and those in charge encouraging that kind of behaviour (either blatantly so or just by actions) rather than the result of just having greeters. But I can see where you could come to that conclusion.

Again, I will state, though, greeters are not particularily necessary, but in certain parish situations, they can be helpful and nice. In situations as you and other people have described, it could also not be so great, but again it really has more to do with the entire dynamic of the parish.
Good post. I think you are right - greeters are more a sign of a liberal parish, and there are are all sorts of factors that lead to a lack of reverence inside the church, the presence of greeters maybe not being the most important one. I think the pastor sets the stage and sets the ground rules here. There are other factors, such as the architecture of the church - churches that are built like gymnasiums and have the tabernacle away from the main part of the church are factors. Gernerally speaking, in my experience, churches that have beautiful statues, the tabernacle behind the altar, a good crucifix, and a pastor who sets a good example all help us focus not so much on each other (there is time for that outside mass) but on what’s most important: Jesus.

Ishii
 
I think it is nice to have a public face of the parish as one enters, one that recognizes each person as bearing Christ, one that is a reminder of the solemnity of the gathering. On the practical side, it is nice to have an obvious someone who can show newcomers where the bathroom is or where they should sit if they’re there for the morning’s baptism.

If their attitude is welcoming yet solemn and reverent, in recognition of the profound sacredness of the liturgy that is about to begin, they invite people to enter the church solemnly and reverently, and to remember the vital importance of where it is that we meet, in Whose particular presence we are, and what is about to begin. Our world is so distracting, it is so easy to come to church and forget what we’re about, so that kind of greeting would definitely would be a service to the parish and to the Mass.

If their welcoming attitude is casual and unconcerned with reverence and oblivious to the momentuousness of the Mass, they invite all who come in to adopt a casual attitude, also unconcerned with reverence and oblivious to the importance of the Mass. That does a deep disservice to the Mass. It is better to have no greeters, than to have that.
I think ushers can perform the task of answering questions, showing where the bathroom is, etc.

Overall though, a very thoughtful post, thank you.

Ishii
 
tweetymom, read my post above. I respect your posts so far in this thread.

I am not bashing Protestants. I personally think that use of the word “Protestantized” should be banned on CAF. It seems that some of the people here consider it the ultimate insult for their churches to have “Protestant” traits. Well, I grew up Protestant and even though I realize that it was lacking much, especially Jesus in the Eucharist–I loved being Protestant, I learned a lot, and many of the people in the Protestant churches WILL BE standing ahead of the Catholics in heaven because of their love for the Lord and for their fellow man.

I had an awful day at work today–I may end up quitting my job of 20 years because of toxic people. I really find it discouraging to come here and see people criticizing the greeters. I think that those people who are quick to criticize should take their priest out to dinner and ask him point-blank why he is Protestantizing the Church by having greeters before and after Mass. Let the priest explain himself.
Cat, I think your response is out of proportion to the gravity of my question. I was interested in hearing what everyone thought of official greeters at church. I have learned a bit about the different points of view having read some of the posts. Asking what others think of greeters is a legitimate question, even if it is not a pressing issue. Personally, I think ushers do a great job performing the necessary tasks of being available to help others and answer any questions as people enter the church. But official greeters I have found to be sort of phony, unnecessary, and characteristic of parishes which don’t have a lot of respect for others who are inside the church due to all the chatter and casualness. Of course this might not be true of all parishes which have greeters, but nonetheless, it is my experience. I would not like to see my parish go that route.

I am truly sorry to hear about your job. I hope that it gets better and you don’t have to quit.

ishii
 
Cat, I think your response is out of proportion to the gravity of my question. I was interested in hearing what everyone thought of official greeters at church. I have learned a bit about the different points of view having read some of the posts. Asking what others think of greeters is a legitimate question, even if it is not a pressing issue. Personally, I think ushers do a great job performing the necessary tasks of being available to help others and answer any questions as people enter the church. But official greeters I have found to be sort of phony, unnecessary, and characteristic of parishes which don’t have a lot of respect for others who are inside the church due to all the chatter and casualness. Of course this might not be true of all parishes which have greeters, but nonetheless, it is my experience. I would not like to see my parish go that route.

I am truly sorry to hear about your job. I hope that it gets better and you don’t have to quit.

ishii
Did you read my response in Post #62? Please do so.

In that post, I describe the differences between the jobs of “usher” and “greeter.”

Greeters do their work OUTSIDE the nave, while ushers’ tasks are done INSIDE the nave.

It’s impossible to be in two places at once.

It is not appropriate to “greet” people inside the nave. And it is not possible (in most churches) to adjust the sound system or help people find seating outside the nave.

My husband is an usher, and he would NOT have the time to do the work of a greeter while he is doing the work of an usher, which includes a number of “technical” tasks (e.g., managing the sound system, helping people find seats, directing traffic during Holy Communion, straightening up the nave and picking up trash, rearranging hymnals, etc. before and after Mass, etc.

You should not base your conclusions about greeters on your personal experiences. If I were to base my decision to convert to the Catholic Church on my personal experiences with Catholics, I would never have joined the Catholic Church because so many Catholics are phony, irreverent, totally ignorant about their Church and the Bible, and immersed in a lifestyle of blatant sin (e.g., shacking up, regular drunkenness, support of abortion, using artificial birth control, etc.).

Rather you should base your conclusions on the truth. It is foolish to disregard a ministry (greeters) that has the potential to bear much good fruit in your parish.

And above all else, you should submit to your priest in this matter. If your priest establishes a greeting ministry in your parish, you should support him and lend whatever help you are able.
 
Did you read my response in Post #62? Please do so.

In that post, I describe the differences between the jobs of “usher” and “greeter.”

Greeters do their work OUTSIDE the nave, while ushers’ tasks are done INSIDE the nave.

It’s impossible to be in two places at once.
And what about Winter months. Do you actually believe Greeters or Ushers for that matter are going to stand in a cold Atrium or Foyer at the main church doors opening and closing.

I’ve never seen this.
 
The following Pdf file: archmil.org/resources/userfiles/Greeters_Q&A.pdf
is one of the best I’ve seen that decribes the role of Greeters.

However; I am still confused over specific details. It would seem that a number of Catholic Churches want to merge and mold the archaic Pre-Vatican II ministry of Ushers into the new name Greeters. Is the word Greeters politically correct terminology? No disrespect but this is somewhat confusing. If one looks at the PDF article above which was well written, it would seem the entire specifics on the role of an Usher has been revamped.
In general I thought Ushers already carried out this new revamped role as is present.
Why two ministries doing an identical task? Why the redundancy unless someone is displeased with the Pre-Vatican II term Usher. Sorry; I’m just trying to see logic in all this.
And I do like the article above.
 
And what about Winter months. Do you actually believe Greeters or Ushers for that matter are going to stand in a cold Atrium or Foyer at the main church doors opening and closing.

I’ve never seen this.
They do all the time, year after year, at our cathedral (my parish) and I can tell you, it is absolutely frigid, as I have done it a couple of times to pass out the hymnals or Latin OF mass booklets to parishioners and visitors. It’s not only frigid, but often times very windy as people open and close the entrance doors into the vestibule of the cathedral or the chapel connected to the cathedral. Yet, that’s what they do in part to keep the reverence and quiet within the actual cathedral and as of yet, have never experienced a normal Sunday mass which wasn’t reverent and quiet.

I haven’t worked at my other church job long enough to see what the pastor does during the winter months, but just based on what I know about the parish and the pastor, I suspect that it will be the same there. He’ll either be pretty hardy (as he will stand outside in the rain under an umbrella to greet the parishioners, so I can’t see why he wouldn’t on a cold day) or he’ll stay within the vestibule. The church, itself, has always been quiet and reverent.

Again, it has more to do with the parish as a whole and how the pastor and other leaders within the parish set the example.
 
Good post. I think you are right - greeters are more a sign of a liberal parish,
Well, yes and no. As I have described about my parish and the one I work at, they would both be considered fairly conservative parishes, yet have greeters (although the one I work at, the priest is the “greeter”. He probably wouldn’t call himself one, but that’s what he is doing - greeting his parishioners) and have very reverent and quiet masses, as well as have a spiritual serenity when you enter the church from the vestibule prior to mass. And I will say I’ve seen this in other traditional parishes - including parishes which do the EF masses.

It all depends on the parish, so I don’t want to make a blanket generalisation, but perhaps it seems more prominent within the more liberal-type of parishes because they are going about it in the wrong way. Those parishes where you experienced it were probably a bit over-the-top, seemingly phony, etc. They probably tried too hard. You may have not even noticed it at other parishes because they do it in such a subtle and natural fashion.
and there are are all sorts of factors that lead to a lack of reverence inside the church, the presence of greeters maybe not being the most important one. I think the pastor sets the stage and sets the ground rules here. There are other factors, such as the architecture of the church - churches that are built like gymnasiums and have the tabernacle away from the main part of the church are factors. Gernerally speaking, in my experience, churches that have beautiful statues, the tabernacle behind the altar, a good crucifix, and a pastor who sets a good example all help us focus not so much on each other (there is time for that outside mass) but on what’s most important: Jesus.

Ishii
There may be some truth in that, but again, I wonder how much of it is more set by the pastor and others rather than the architecture of the church itself. The parish I described to you regarding the change from a conservative pastor to a liberal pastor, the church building, itself, was over 150 years old. A small, but totally lovely little ethnic parish. The tabernacle was behind the altar, it still had the altar rails, a crucifix, these gorgeous, huge works of art that were their stations of the cross donated by one of parishioners from a century ago, the Latin in the front of the church was still there a lovely pipe organ and choir loft, etc.

That new pastor totally got the parishioners’ focus away from the mass still, despite all of that. He got rid of the organist and hired a person who really wasn’t a musician. He faked his way through everything and basically closed down the loft, bringing that musician’s band to the front by taking out a few pews on the side, he allowed lectors to bring their Starbucks coffee up with them to the ambo and they’d place their coffees right on the marble while they read and then picked them up and bring them back to their pew. These things that he did, along with what I described before, and bringing his own entorage from his other parish to kick out the “old” and bring in the “new”, was what changed the entire dynamic of that parish.

It’s the pastor and those he sets around him to help him out which makes the most influence on the entire parish.
 
At our Pasish we have 5 Masses ever weekend. Only 1 Mass has ushers and that would be the 10a.m. Mass. So an usher is not available the rest of the Masses, hence we do greeters and not all Masses have them. I go to 5:30 Mass Sat. and people love being greeted. Noone is pushy, rude just friendly.👍
 
Good post. I think you are right - greeters are more a sign of a liberal parish, and there are are all sorts of factors that lead to a lack of reverence inside the church…
I’m wondering if the question isn’t so much liberal vs traditional/conservative/etc as much as it is an emphasis on the horizontal or vertical in each parish community. Granted, these often parallel each other but the lines are definitely not distinct and each of these may not necessary contain the same groups of people.

Clear as mud? If so, let’s have a mudfight! 😉

Peace
 
The reason you felt “watched” in the Protestant church had nothing to do with greeters.

You WERE being watched and prayed for by everyone in the congregation, or at least, by all the “involved” people in the congregation, because the word quickly went around the congregation that a “Catholic” was visiting (yes, they knew that you were Catholic, even if you didn’t tell them!), and the people wanted to see you renounce Catholicism and become a “real” Christian by inviting Jesus into your heart to be your personal Lord and Savior.
What are they, magic? How could they possibly know that 9 or 10 years earlier I had attended Catholic churches, rather than, say, Episcopal? Especially since, technically speaking, I was saved, having prayed “the prayer” shortly after I started attending protestant services.

Anyway, if this is the function of greeters, then we shouldn’t have them. The behavior you describe is (obviously) offensive. Guessing about the spiritual state of someone else and then praying about your guess is presumptuous. And in any case the feeling of being watched, and the even-more-pushy “Fill in a card so we can contact you if this is your first time here–hey, you, I’ve never seen you before, fill in a card” which I also encountered a couple of times, had the only effect of causing me never to go to those churches again.

I really understand and respect the sentiments behind behaviors like these, even though I dislike the behaviors themselves. It is very true that the best thing you can wish for someone else is for them to go to heaven. And if your beliefs are such that you think they can’t get there unless they are a member of your congregation (which, thankfully is NOT the case if you are Catholic), then it is an act of Christian charity to be pushy. But it still isn’t prudent as it can push people away.

Anyway, my point was that if there are going to be greeters, they should endeavor not to make people feel like someone is watching them (however benevolently) because then they will be even more uncomfortable about not knowing what to do.

–Jen
 
I must say in all my years I have never heard negative things said about Catholics like I hear from Catholics.

I am still very friendly with my Protestant Pastor and his family. They came to my second wedding to a Catholic and have done nothing but be gracious to me and my husband adores them!

I just have a really hard time understanding all that is said here at CAF against Protestants?.
I’m sorry you have had the bad experience of hearing so much against Protestants on this forum. However, you may find it comforting to distinguish between “pseudo-Protestant-Catholic” bashing and true Protestant bashing. What I have seen in my limited experience on this forum is more of the former. What I mean by the difference is that I personally think it is fine for Protestants to celebrate the Lord’s Supper with grape juice instead of wine. I would never think of getting on their case for it. But if I find a Catholic parish attempting to celebrate the Eucharist that way, I would be very upset indeed. I might say something about protestantizing (if I didn’t think the word was ugly from a linguistic standpoint) without ever thinking anything bad about protestants. You can dislike the behavior of Catholics who are trying to pretend to be Protestant without having anything against Protestants.

And in the real world, I have been told multiple times flat out that I was going to Hell because I was Catholic. I have heard the Catholic Church referred to as “evil” and “pagan” within a Protestant worship service. I have also heard things even in much more moderate churches like this that I heard from a missionary, “There were no Christian churches on the whole island when we got there–only a Catholic church.” If you see Protestant-bashing, maybe it is a reaction to experiences like these. These experiences do not make it OK to speak badly of our separated brethren, but they may provide a reason that it happens.

I’ve been back in the Church for a few years now, but nonetheless most of my friends are protestant–it’s one of the reasons I joined this forum, because the only person I can talk to in person about Catholic stuff is my Dad (who is great but still just one person).

Anyway, if people don’t want greeters because it is too “Protestant” it doesn’t say anything bad about Protestants, just that they’re not Catholic. I don’t personally think it is a good argument, I’m just trying to say that it doesn’t necessarily indicate hostility toward Protestants.

–Jen
 
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