What do you think of the Neocatechumenal Way?

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I went to a Neocatechumenal Way “revival” meeting at my parish. I had a bit of an uneasy feeling, as their approach and what they were saying seemed much like a Protestant revival meeting. Perhaps it was an unfounded feeling of mine, or simply me misunderstanding what they were saying, but I was wondering what other people thought of this movement within the Catholic Church?

I’ve done a web search, and it seems some think they are a heretical movement. :eek:

Yet, the “itinerary of Christian initiation for the rediscovery of baptism,that is, a post-baptismal catechumenate” is approved by the Pope.

See here:

Neocatechumenal Way (their official site)
The Neo-Catechumenal Way (opposing view)
Neocatechumenate Way (opposing view)
 
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maklavan:
Don’t touch it with barge pole! I know, I was in it! To take one example, the least of their errors; they refuse to say the creed-- ever. This website may be useful:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/catech.htm us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/bn/nw2.gif
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Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut maklavan. I was hoping one, such as yourself, who had more experience with this itinerate could give us their opinion.

I found that this catechesis was targeting those Catholics who perhaps only come to Mass on Easter and Christmas, if at all. It didn’t speak to me personally, as I’ve already re-discovered my Catholic faith.

I didn’t really like the way they portrayed the Church up until Vatican II as having lost touch with early Christianity. They seem to suggest that infant baptism and catechesis of those baptized as children was some kind of innovation in the Catholic Church, which I disagree with.

I do agree that adults need to continue their education in all things Catholic, but I don’t believe their “way” was helpful to me.
 
Dave,

The Neo-Catechumenal Way is very active here in Guam - and controversial too. But our Archbishop strongly supports it and he’s started a Neo-catechumenal Way seminary here.

What did they teach you about the sacrificial nature of the Mass?

Chuck White
Catholic Evidence Guild of Guam
cegguam.org
 
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cbwhite:
What did they teach you about the sacrificial nature of the Mass?
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Since I only attended day one of their seminar, I don’t remember that it was discussed. Their suggestion that the early church didn’t baptize infants made me skeptical of their orthodoxy. I presume that they just mispoke or phrased it poorly.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
I went to a Neocatechumenal Way “revival” meeting at my parish. I had a bit of an uneasy feeling, as** their approach and what they were saying** seemed much like a Protestant revival meeting. Perhaps it was an unfounded feeling of mine, or simply me misunderstanding what they were saying, but I was wondering what other people thought of this movement within the Catholic Church?

I’ve done a web search, and it seems some think they are a heretical movement. :eek:

**Yet, the “itinerary of Christian initiation for the rediscovery of baptism,that is, a post-baptismal catechumenate” is approved by the Pope. **
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To Dave, and "whom-so-ever.
When one thinks of the message of Christ …especially those of us who have been brought up “average Catholic”…
We may tend to think it is “strange”, or some "other religion, … (protestant) usually is our first Impulse !..when in fact,
if we examine ourselves in the light of scripture…many of us will find we are “neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm.” Rev.3:16
so from that initial encounter with any movement of God in the church which is designed by God …
to move us off of “lukewarm”…and into ** “Ignited”**,(Luke 12:49) it is expected to label it as “protestant”… or heretical.
But the Word of God says;
"Do not stifle the Spirit. Do not despise prophesies.
Test everything; retain what is good
Avoid any semblance of evil. 1 Thess. 5:19, 20, 21

The Neocatechumenal way, like Cursillo, Charismatic, Marian, Marriage encounter, and many others which are sent by God to Convert us from "lukewarm " to “on fire”…
even built in to the Mass !..all are considered “strange” because we are " ACCUSTOMED " to mediocrity and lukewarmness…hoping some “miracle” will save us …instead of simply obeying the Gospel. (2 Thess 1:8)
I read the (3) websites you posted (much appreciated) and since I have no way of knowing what Francisco Arguello, and Carmen’s beliefs concerning the Death of Christ, The Redemption, The Altar, The Priesthood, the Eucharist, Christ’s Eternal offer…
I will have to put it in the “hear-say” bin.

Anything we Catholics glean from the “Catechumenate”, or from" Baptism" out of scripture and the Catechism …
is 98% of our battle against Satan… won !

"Receive the Holy Spirit." (John 20:22)

gusano
 
Hi all!!!

I had a lot of friends who were in the Neocatechumenal way and I’ve made a lot of research on it.

Now, I hope to save some people from approaching this hell that pretend to be THE religion.

Here is the most complete site on the subject:

psychologue-clinicien.com/anglais/chemin.htm

Read carefully and make yourself an opinion…

Any comments: m_biss@msn.com
 
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gusano:
To Dave, and "whom-so-ever.
When one thinks of the message of Christ …especially those of us who have been brought up “average Catholic”…
We may tend to think it is “strange”, or some "other religion, … (protestant) usually is our first Impulse !..when in fact,
if we examine ourselves in the light of scripture…many of us will find we are “neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm.” Rev.3:16
so from that initial encounter with any movement of God in the church which is designed by God …
to move us off of “lukewarm”…and into ** “Ignited”**,(Luke 12:49) it is expected to label it as “protestant”… or heretical.
But the Word of God says;
"Do not stifle the Spirit. Do not despise prophesies.
Test everything; retain what is good
Avoid any semblance of evil. 1 Thess. 5:19, 20, 21

The Neocatechumenal way, like Cursillo, Charismatic, Marian, Marriage encounter, and many others which are sent by God to Convert us from "lukewarm " to “on fire”…
even built in to the Mass !..all are considered “strange” because we are " ACCUSTOMED " to mediocrity and lukewarmness…hoping some “miracle” will save us …instead of simply obeying the Gospel. (2 Thess 1:8)
I read the (3) websites you posted (much appreciated) and since I have no way of knowing what Francisco Arguello, and Carmen’s beliefs concerning the Death of Christ, The Redemption, The Altar, The Priesthood, the Eucharist, Christ’s Eternal offer…
I will have to put it in the “hear-say” bin.

Anything we Catholics glean from the “Catechumenate”, or from" Baptism" out of scripture and the Catechism …
is 98% of our battle against Satan… won !

"Receive the Holy Spirit." (John 20:22)

gusano
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It doesn’t matter if a person is so ignited that they set the carpet on fire - if they’re teaching errors, it’s a bad thing.

Some of the most “on fire” people I know are evangelicals who beleive that you don’t have to worry about sin and that whatever you do is already covered by Christ and that you just accept Jesus and that’s that.

They’re doing nothing short of leading people straight to Hell.

They’re not a good thing.
 
Do yourself a favor and never think of approching this hell…

My own pain will follow me for eternity…
 
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itsjustdave1988:
I went to a Neocatechumenal Way “revival” meeting at my parish. I had a bit of an uneasy feeling, as their approach and what they were saying seemed much like a Protestant revival meeting. Perhaps it was an unfounded feeling of mine, or simply me misunderstanding what they were saying, but I was wondering what other people thought of this movement within the Catholic Church?

I’ve done a web search, and it seems some think they are a heretical movement. :eek:

Yet, the “itinerary of Christian initiation for the rediscovery of baptism,that is, a post-baptismal catechumenate” is approved by the Pope.

See here:

Neocatechumenal Way (their official site)
The Neo-Catechumenal Way (opposing view)
Neocatechumenate Way (opposing view)
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It’s unfortunate that they have attracted a fair amount of unfavourable notice, and been forbidden, in some dioceses. OTOH, rumours are a very poor foundation for a fair conclusion. A great deal depends on why they are being criticised; and criticism does not become just, merely on the strength of being made.​

As the Pope approved the “itinerary”, its only reasonable to assume that he knew what he was doing. They aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, certainly - but that is no reason to think that they are not doing good. ##
 
Does The Neocatechumenal Way fills the ten criterias of the parliamentary commission who define a dangerous sect?

The ten criterias – My viewpoint

Character exorbitant of the financial requirements – YES

Rupture with the environment of origin – YES

Mental destabilization – YES

Reached to the physical integrity – NO

Indoctrination of the children – YES

Untangled judicial – YES

Speech more or less antisocial – YES

Unrest of the law and order – NO

Diversion possible of the traditional economic channels – YES

Attempts of infiltration of the public powers – YES

See this web site for explanation and more detailed description…
(The traduction is not very good…)

psychologue-clinicien.com/anglais/caracter.htm

Any comments : m_biss@msn.com
 
I am not part of the NeoCatechumenal Way, but several of my family members are. They are who I went to Germany with and I have to say I was astounded at what I witnessed on that trip. My family members and I met up with the Neo-Catechumenal Way group from New Jersy (there were about 150 of us).

I was really impressed with many of the young people in that group. Many of them spoke about their conversion experiences that had a lot to do with their involvment in the Way. It seemed like that group was drawing in a lot of youth and bringing them back to the orthodox Faith.

We were also shocked at how worldwide the movement was. The day after WYD, the Way had a meeting with all the groups around the world at a park. There had to be at least 100,000 people there! It was shocking! That meeting was actually more enjoyable than WYD. But at the end of the meeting, they made a call for all those in the crowd who were hearing a calling to the priesthood to come up to the stage. We all sat in amazement as swarms of young men flocked up to the stage! It was truly impressive! We heard there were about 5,000 boys/young men who went up to the stage. After they called the men, they called the girls who were feeling called to the religious life and more girls went up than boys! (several kids from our group went up also) It was just spectacular.

I don’t know that much about the movement and I probably don’t have time to get involved in it. I had my doubts about it at first and so did my mom, but after we saw for ourselves the number of young people being called out of that movement for vocations, we feel certain that Jesus has a hand in this somehow. It really gave us hope for the future of the Church. That’s just my experience…
 
We were also shocked at how worldwide the movement was. The day after WYD, the Way had a meeting with all the groups around the world at a park. There had to be at least 100,000 people there! It was shocking! That meeting was actually more enjoyable than WYD.
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Excuse my english, I’m french…

To Masondoggy…

I’m familiar with you’re experience , but know that it’s the way of all sect… There is a very known technique of mental manipulation that is called “love-bombing” or seduction… The guru or a group approach you with a feeling of being part of a very special event for you to feel comfortable…

Any questions or comments : m_biss@msn.com
 
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Matteo_01:
Excuse my english, I’m french…

To Masondoggy…

I’m familiar with you’re experience , but know that it’s the way of all sect… There is a very known technique of mental manipulation that is called “love-bombing” or seduction… The guru or a group approach you with a feeling of being part of a very special event for you to feel comfortable…

Any questions or comments : m_biss@msn.com
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Well, you may be right, I don’t know. I don’t really have any intention of joining anyways because I have to get a job in the evenings and wouldn’t be able attend the meetings. I was just sharing my experience with the group. I just found it encouraging and inspiring to see all those young people step up to answer a call to the religious life. If vocations are coming out of the NeoCatechumenal Way, then I say they are doing something right.

Where else are the vocations coming from in this country?
 
I’m really happy for you that you’re not joining it… 👍

You have a point when saying that vocations and inspiration are missing in today’s society… since religion is not following the flow by being too conservative… but trust me, you can find your own vocation and belief if you look deep into your heart…

Anyway, I think the neocatechumenal way is very intense and with a solid philosophy of the early Christian, but…

But when you’re in this “movement” you slowly lose any form of judgment, simply because they have all the answers and you have to obey without saying a word…

You will slowly lose contact with people that are not in this way because they’re all demon…

You’ll ruin yourself by paying them different things for different reasons…

…

So you’ll have to sacrifice your soul to this Kiko that pretend to be a new prophet…

In fact, I think there is better way of finding yourself a vocation and a source of inspiration…

Take care

I know very well this movement and the many other sects so it’ll be a pleasure to answer any of you’re questions: m_biss@msn.com
 
It´s curious that many of these orthodox movements of the Catholic Church are very criticised by many americans. The Neocathecumenal Way is giving a lot of vocations, much more that any other movement, and they´re orthodox, very orthodox.
The accusations of being a sect, are very curious. I think that this affirmation when John Paul II gave them recognition and other popes, is very false.
Many young people is in the movement and gives a bright future to the church. It´s a pity that many good catholics don´t comprehend this.
 
Franze… please just tell me… what do you know about this movement, except that pope recognized it…

It’s a pity that some good catholics don’t want to know the truth…
 
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Matteo_01:
Franze… please just tell me… what do you know about this movement, except that pope recognized it…

It’s a pity that some good catholics don’t want to know the truth…
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It´s recognized by the Pope, at first, after I know a lot of catholics who are “kikos” and are wonderful people, wonderful families with a lot of children, they make many evangelization.
Respect, the spirit of the organisation, many baptised people aren´t good catechized and they need a new rediscovering of the catholic faith, they began in a poor district of Madrid and now, they have a lot of seminaries, one million of people and helping catholics to be good catholics.
And I want to ask you, do you think that the Pope sponsored an heretical organisation who is a sect? And, if the answer is yes, why?
 
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Matteo_01:
Franze… please just tell me… what do you know about this movement, except that pope recognized it…

It’s a pity that some good catholics don’t want to know the truth…
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Its a pitty that you speak about something you don’t know anything.

Want to know about the “kikos”? Why don’t you read their aproved by JP II statues?

camminoneocatecumenale.it/en/statuti.htm

Or what about when the pope went to the “kikos” Domus Galilae?

http://www.domusgalilaeae.org/es/images/eskcm.jpg

domusgalilaeae.org/es/eshome.htm

Are the Popes (Benedict XVI did as cardinal Ratzinger) endorsing a heresy? What kind of catholic can say that? :eek:

And what about de numbers? More than 1 million people, 1300 priests, hundreds of misionary families, 64 seminars, people in places like morocco, Iraq or :eek: China!, etc.

“Ye shall know them by their fruits.” (St. Matthew 7:15- 16)

Please, grab a bit of common sense and think about it. You think the Popes will endorse them if they were a heresy?
 
Please, grab a bit of common sense and think about it. You think the Popes will endorse them if they were a heresy?
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It’s happened before. Not saying this group IS heresy, I don’t know anything more about them than what I’ve read here. It’s foolish to say that just because a pope supports a group that it isn’t heresy, however. We’ve had popes anathemized for supporting heretical groups, so it’s not unheard of.

God bless!
 
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