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ChristIsTheWay
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Are there other activities you do as well? Also, what is your most common ritual? Do you have something like communion and Mass that you celebrate on a regular basis?
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estesbob
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I agree with the Church:
***2117 *All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.
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thechrismyster
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no you haven’t told anyone, but no Catholics have gone onto a wiccan board and asked for opinions. you have. so don’t get snippy when opinions are offered you may not agree with. be fair. you’d like tolerance of your opposing viewpoint but don’t like when others offer you opposing viewpoints.
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wcknight
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Some of the folks seem to be fairly nice, but I think they are barking up a very dangerous tree. I pray they receive the grace to see the Truth before they run into real trouble aka demonic influences that they can’t handle.
I see it as a way for some young folks to belong to something other than conventional beliefs. Some young people who are disillusioned with the traditional faiths, whether because they disagree with the ideas or the rules, search for something different or something that they hope is better.
I think it tries to portray itself as only believeing in ‘good magic’ but anything occult is dangerous and may make them more open to evil influences even though they may not want it.
I especially think the practice of “allowing” divinity to enter into them is a very dangerous practice, and that in itself may leave them open to demonic possession. Even if they initially think it is a very positive experience, long term I think it is a very bad idea.
I see it as a way for some young folks to belong to something other than conventional beliefs. Some young people who are disillusioned with the traditional faiths, whether because they disagree with the ideas or the rules, search for something different or something that they hope is better.
I think it tries to portray itself as only believeing in ‘good magic’ but anything occult is dangerous and may make them more open to evil influences even though they may not want it.
I especially think the practice of “allowing” divinity to enter into them is a very dangerous practice, and that in itself may leave them open to demonic possession. Even if they initially think it is a very positive experience, long term I think it is a very bad idea.
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Damascus
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good question, and thank you whammy for telling us about your Halloween ritual. I did not understand close the circle- but thats okay.
Where do you buy caldrons these days?
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estesbob
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Diagon Alley
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FightingFat
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I can see why it appeals to people. I think it’s pretty benign to be honest. Contains elements of truth like all beliefs, but doesn’t satisfy like only God can!
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FCEGM
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Two articles of interest:
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1289
envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.5/sept_octstory1.html (A former Wiccan relates his conversion to Catholicism)
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1289
envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.5/sept_octstory1.html (A former Wiccan relates his conversion to Catholicism)
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Malcolm_McLean
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This is often asserted.
It is not true. Gerald Gardner met Aliester Crowley, the renowned satanist. Though it is not entirely clear who initiated who into what, it seems that Gardner purchased leadership of Crowley’s Satanic Order after Crowey’s death. However Crowley hadn’t bothered to ensure that his followers would honour the deal, so the attempt to merge the two organisations failed and Wicca went its separate way.
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wcknight
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Wiccans may not want Satan to have anything to do with them, but that does not preclude him from intruding into where he is not wanted.
I think leaving yourself open to the occult, good or otherwise inevitably invites the bad along with it.
I think leaving yourself open to the occult, good or otherwise inevitably invites the bad along with it.
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Steadfast
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The story told is that the Church, when it began evangelizing pagan areas of Europe transformed the old Celtic horned god Cernunnos and the old Roman god Saturn (depicted as a goat) into the biblical Satan.
There’s an interesting anthropological story here with horned gods in a great many different cultures being transformed into the Devil.
There is probably some truth to the theme. They, literally, demonized pagan gods.
However and evenso, it remains that, as Paul says, the worship of any god other than the God of Scripture is idolatry and the worship of demons.
Satanism is a religion of selfishness, Wicca claims to not be selfish, citing things like the “rede” (‘An ye harm none, do what ye will’), at the same time, however, it claims to be able to manipulate elemental forces. This puts the effective custodianship of these forces into the hands on individuals who may or may not have the ability or interest in using this “rede” responsibly.
My experience has been that Wicca is perceived as an avenue of empowerment for people who feel disempowered by whatever circumstances they consider are “keeping them down”. The same kind of dynamic is true of any number of religions, of fascism, of communism and of any number of cultural/political “movements”.
People become Wiccan because it’s spooky-cool and different and promises them some modicum of control over themselves and their environment.
So then, is Wicca a religion of selfishness or is it merely a religion of nature-worship? It can be the latter, which is idolatry and demon worship, but as often as not it is the former and has the former built into it despite any posture to the contrary.
There’s an interesting anthropological story here with horned gods in a great many different cultures being transformed into the Devil.
There is probably some truth to the theme. They, literally, demonized pagan gods.
However and evenso, it remains that, as Paul says, the worship of any god other than the God of Scripture is idolatry and the worship of demons.
Satanism is a religion of selfishness, Wicca claims to not be selfish, citing things like the “rede” (‘An ye harm none, do what ye will’), at the same time, however, it claims to be able to manipulate elemental forces. This puts the effective custodianship of these forces into the hands on individuals who may or may not have the ability or interest in using this “rede” responsibly.
My experience has been that Wicca is perceived as an avenue of empowerment for people who feel disempowered by whatever circumstances they consider are “keeping them down”. The same kind of dynamic is true of any number of religions, of fascism, of communism and of any number of cultural/political “movements”.
People become Wiccan because it’s spooky-cool and different and promises them some modicum of control over themselves and their environment.
So then, is Wicca a religion of selfishness or is it merely a religion of nature-worship? It can be the latter, which is idolatry and demon worship, but as often as not it is the former and has the former built into it despite any posture to the contrary.
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Damascus
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Thanks! I checked Williams and Sonoma and they said no they dont carry them. They also were unsure where one could obtain one.
Then they asked me if my mother was home and if she knew what I was planning to do with one.
Boy, everyone is so nosy these days about what motives people have. Sheeze.
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deb1
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Try the internet, if you are curious. I am certain that you will find a cauldron online.
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Damascus
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Shipping and handling costs are a bit high for a good cast iron one. I checked.
Its calculated by weight.
Maybe a substitute would be okay, like a 55 gallon drum or something. Sure, it wont have the cool handles and stuff, but I bet it will do the trick.
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catsrus
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What do I think of wicca?
I never think about it at all.
I do see that you are 18 though so I hope you will outgrow it and come home Christ.
I never think about it at all.
I do see that you are 18 though so I hope you will outgrow it and come home Christ.
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leonie
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It makes me sad to see so many going for a false religion. 
It scares me that so many wiccans are pro abortion and anti marriage.
I worry about your soul.
God Bless you. leonie
It scares me that so many wiccans are pro abortion and anti marriage.
I worry about your soul.
God Bless you. leonie
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FCEGM
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Would a turkey deep-fryer do the trick?
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Lion_of_Narnia
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In terms of Wicca’s origins, Ronald Hutton’s Triumph of the Moon, amazon.com/Triumph-Moon-History-Modern-Witchcraft/dp/0192854496/sr=8-1/qid=1161633990/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5126074-2629544?ie=UTF8
is probably the best single source, FAR better than Margot Adler, let alone people like Starhawk (ni Miriam Samos), Z Budapest, etc… While being a praticing Wiccan himself, Hutton as an anthropoligist was honest about the 19th century influences and 20th century creation of Wicca.
There is a STONG streak w/in the wiccans I’ve met and talked to,of getting into it for power–ie, magick working–not surprsing since Crowleyian ritualism is a likely source material (discussed by Hutton) The “nature worship” most wiccans are into is as fantastic and far from REAL nature as their “ancient origin” claims. (As a Seneca elder once told me, “Yes, you’d better respect Nature–because Nature sure as hell dosn’t respect you!”)–again not surprising, most wiccans are life long city dwellers.
Though this is changing among the more mature, more knowledgable wiccans, there is another strong streak of “validation through victimization”–hence “the burning times” myth created out of thin air by Matilda Joslyn Gage in 1893 (9 million executed witches) and repeated verbatim by Gardner, Starhawk, etc… (Note the BEST estimate of those executed during the Witch hunt hysteria period of 1400-1700 is 30-50,000–sporadic, not monomaniacal, and total absent in many areas of Europe)
*All saisd, wicca is gaining popularity because it fits right ito the Post-Modern, deconstructionist paradigm that one psychological construct is just as good as another–never mind that position would put Holocaust deniers as “valid” as anyone else
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is probably the best single source, FAR better than Margot Adler, let alone people like Starhawk (ni Miriam Samos), Z Budapest, etc… While being a praticing Wiccan himself, Hutton as an anthropoligist was honest about the 19th century influences and 20th century creation of Wicca.
There is a STONG streak w/in the wiccans I’ve met and talked to,of getting into it for power–ie, magick working–not surprsing since Crowleyian ritualism is a likely source material (discussed by Hutton) The “nature worship” most wiccans are into is as fantastic and far from REAL nature as their “ancient origin” claims. (As a Seneca elder once told me, “Yes, you’d better respect Nature–because Nature sure as hell dosn’t respect you!”)–again not surprising, most wiccans are life long city dwellers.
Though this is changing among the more mature, more knowledgable wiccans, there is another strong streak of “validation through victimization”–hence “the burning times” myth created out of thin air by Matilda Joslyn Gage in 1893 (9 million executed witches) and repeated verbatim by Gardner, Starhawk, etc… (Note the BEST estimate of those executed during the Witch hunt hysteria period of 1400-1700 is 30-50,000–sporadic, not monomaniacal, and total absent in many areas of Europe)
*All saisd, wicca is gaining popularity because it fits right ito the Post-Modern, deconstructionist paradigm that one psychological construct is just as good as another–never mind that position would put Holocaust deniers as “valid” as anyone else
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jediliz
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Its a VERY DANGEROUS religion. Come back to the Faith. Come Back to Jesus before your Soul is fully corrupted.
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Damascus
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Good plan brother!
I have one I was going to RE-GIFT this year ----
Great idea. Now, all I need is a huge Ladle to stir my brew-----
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