What does Daniel 8:13,14 mean?

[barboza21]

Sorry I took so long to respond. The answer is found in the following verses:

(Heb 8:1) Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

(Heb 8:2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

(Heb 8:3) For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

(Heb 8:4) For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

(Heb 8:5) Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

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Okay, let me try this another way, what is the importance of there being a first and second comparment in Heaven? (I still don’t understand where the 1st and 2nd compartment is at in heaven… like Jesus moved from outside the pearly gates to the inside of the gates and that is where he sat to the right hand of the father?? [not being funny here–just an example of what I am talking about])

SDAs believe that the great dissappointment wasn’t a disappointment at all – just a misunderstanding of a prophecy, right? I hope I am not wrong to say that SDAs believe that the prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 and that the prophecy wasn’t the 2nd coming but rather the moving of Jesus from the first compartment to the second… why do SDAs believe this?

Thanks!

 

[BTTG]

It is God the Father.

In Dan.7:22, when did the “Ancient of Days came” ?

Thank you
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[Peter_John]

In Dan.7:22, when did the “Ancient of Days came” ?

Thank you
written with love

I am not sure of the specific answer to your question, but I find your focus on verse 22 puzzling, as the Ancient of Days permeates the Chapter. I answer accordingly:

Verses 13-14 specifically prophesy Chirst’s ascension into heaven, as perceived from Heaven’s side of this. Verse 12 clarifies that though all kingdoms would be given over to Christ following His ascension, Earthly kngdoms would be granted dominance for a time.

When specifically does verse 22 happen? We would think at sometimne since Christ’s ascension, but what we think carries no weight. He inspires prophesy not to show us what to expect, but to demonstrate that He is God, and knows all things and has all power.

I do not know myself when verse 22 should transpire, but I doubt it matters. God does not measure “time” as we do. In fact, God measures time not at all. He marks the passage of eras by the consummation of His intent, and that for our counting alone. We neither limit him by our measurement of time, nor compel his prophecies to fall within our designated expectaions.

 

[BTTG]

Okay, let me try this another way, what is the importance of there being a first and second comparment in Heaven? (I still don’t understand where the 1st and 2nd compartment is at in heaven… like Jesus moved from outside the pearly gates to the inside of the gates and that is where he sat to the right hand of the father?? [not being funny here–just an example of what I am talking about])

SDAs believe that the great dissappointment wasn’t a disappointment at all – just a misunderstanding of a prophecy, right? I hope I am not wrong to say that SDAs believe that the prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 and that the prophecy wasn’t the 2nd coming but rather the moving of Jesus from the first compartment to the second… why do SDAs believe this?

Thanks!

Great questions, before I expand on the heavenly sanctuary. Do you agree that there are 2 separate compartments ( the holy place and the most holy place) in the heavenly sanctuary? To answer one of your questions, I do not not where the compartments are in heaven, I just read from the bible that there are 2 compartments.

written with love

 

[BTTG]

I am not sure of the specific answer to your question, but I find your focus on verse 22 puzzling, as the Ancient of Days permeates the Chapter. I answer accordingly:

Verses 13-14 specifically prophesy Chirst’s ascension into heaven, as perceived from Heaven’s side of this. Verse 12 clarifies that though all kingdoms would be given over to Christ following His ascension, Earthly kngdoms would be granted dominance for a time.

When specifically does verse 22 happen? We would think at sometimne since Christ’s ascension, but what we think carries no weight. He inspires prophesy not to show us what to expect, but to demonstrate that He is God, and knows all things and has all power.

I do not know myself when verse 22 should transpire, but I doubt it matters. God does not measure “time” as we do. In fact, God measures time not at all. He marks the passage of eras by the consummation of His intent, and that for our counting alone. We neither limit him by our measurement of time, nor compel his prophecies to fall within our designated expectaions.

Thank you for your insight. I am not being sarcastic when I say this, but you read like a scholar.

Let me re-phrase my question… what is meant by the words of “until the Ancient of Days came” ?

Thank you

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[Peter_John]

Thank you for your insight. I am not being sarcastic when I say this, but you read like a scholar.

Let me re-phrase my question… what is meant by the words of “until the Ancient of Days came” ?

Thank you

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Without stating this authoritatively, it sounds to me like it refers to the Incarnation of Christ. It could also be a duslistic reference to Christ’s incarnation as well as having some bearing on His return, but I think the Incarnation seems inherent.

The entire chapter is not chronological as we measure sequence: This is a Western bias of narrative structure, impertinent to authoritative intent in Daniel. For example, the earlier verses refer to the ascension which happened after the Incarnation (v. 22, as one perception I have of it) . Verse 25 addresses the conditions of the covenant people under the forthcoming empire of Antiochus IV, fulfilled in the time of:

I Maccabees 1:33,34 KJV
33] Then builded they the city of David with a great and strong wall, and with mighty towers, and made it a strong hold for them.
34] And they put therein a sinful nation, wicked men, and fortified themselves therein.
quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4143194

and that does not count any metaphors distinctive to the literal historic events attendant to its fulfillment.

It is important to remember that lacking the Greek Old Testament neither the full revelation of the Hebrew Old Testament nor the complete foundation of the New Testament is complete. The fact it was removed after the Bible went forth from the Jews to Christians (first removed by Jews, later by Protestants) has no influence on how the authors of the New Testament and the Savior himself embed it in their messages. It is only in these works that God becomes revealed, and that fewer than two centuries before his incarnation, as the one and only God across all literary genre in scripture. Here the idea of multiple gods meets universal ridicule for the first time. Only then is the covenant people ready for God’s complete revelation in Christ.

Much of Daniel 7 actually seems to start further in the future and draw back to Daniel’s time. Instead of (as in Western approach) following cause and effect (this happens, which makes that happen, so this happens) it reveals effect and cause (this happens, because this happens, because this happens, etc. and this is what it has to do wit your people now …

 

[ryanoneil]

In Dan.7:22, when did the “Ancient of Days came” ?

Thank you
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I can’t say for sure but my guess is (in the initial sense) it is when Antiochus IV was judged and stripped of his kingdom by God. In the second sense it would pertain to Nero’s judgment and loss of his kingdom AND the judgment of Israel and the Temple and the loss of the kingdom (both of which were persecuting God’s new people).

 

[barboza21]

Great questions, before I expand on the heavenly sanctuary. Do you agree that there are 2 separate compartments ( the holy place and the most holy place) in the heavenly sanctuary? To answer one of your questions, I do not not where the compartments are in heaven, I just read from the bible that there are 2 compartments.

written with love

I am not sure how to believe that there are two separate compartments since I have no actual understanding to how that might work (the son is God, the father is God, the HS is God and Jesus sits at the right hand of the father-I don’t understand where the 2nd compartment might be or what is its significance). That being said, I see you say you read from the bible that there are 2 compartments. Where in the bible did you read that from? It would be great to learn something new today ")

Thanks

 

[BTTG]

Without stating this authoritatively, it sounds to me like it refers to the Incarnation of Christ. It could also be a duslistic reference to Christ’s incarnation as well as having some bearing on His return, but I think the Incarnation seems inherent.

The entire chapter is not chronological as we measure sequence: This is a Western bias of narrative structure, impertinent to authoritative intent in Daniel. For example, the earlier verses refer to the ascension which happened after the Incarnation (v. 22, as one perception I have of it) . Verse 25 addresses the conditions of the covenant people under the forthcoming empire of Antiochus IV, fulfilled in the time of:

I Maccabees 1:33,34 KJV
33] Then builded they the city of David with a great and strong wall, and with mighty towers, and made it a strong hold for them.
34] And they put therein a sinful nation, wicked men, and fortified themselves therein.
quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4143194

and that does not count any metaphors distinctive to the literal historic events attendant to its fulfillment.

It is important to remember that lacking the Greek Old Testament neither the full revelation of the Hebrew Old Testament nor the complete foundation of the New Testament is complete. The fact it was removed after the Bible went forth from the Jews to Christians (first removed by Jews, later by Protestants) has no influence on how the authors of the New Testament and the Savior himself embed it in their messages. It is only in these works that God becomes revealed, and that fewer than two centuries before his incarnation, as the one and only God across all literary genre in scripture. Here the idea of multiple gods meets universal ridicule for the first time. Only then is the covenant people ready for God’s complete revelation in Christ.

Much of Daniel 7 actually seems to start further in the future and draw back to Daniel’s time. Instead of (as in Western approach) following cause and effect (this happens, which makes that happen, so this happens) it reveals effect and cause (this happens, because this happens, because this happens, etc. and this is what it has to do wit your people now …

I would like to converse with you, however, your intellectual thoughts are far above my mental capabilities of understanding. God Bless.

 

[BTTG]

I can’t say for sure but my guess is (in the initial sense) it is when Antiochus IV was judged and stripped of his kingdom by God. In the second sense it would pertain to Nero’s judgment and loss of his kingdom AND the judgment of Israel and the Temple and the loss of the kingdom (both of which were persecuting God’s new people).

I guess I just don’t understand how it can be Antiochus IV, or Nero, as in verse 21 it reads " … and the same horn was making war against the saints… " It reads that it is the “same horn”, so I don’t believe it the little horn can refer to both of the identities that you mention.

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[BTTG]

I am not sure how to believe that there are two separate compartments since I have no actual understanding to how that might work (the son is God, the father is God, the HS is God and Jesus sits at the right hand of the father-I don’t understand where the 2nd compartment might be or what is its significance). That being said, I see you say you read from the bible that there are 2 compartments. Where in the bible did you read that from? It would be great to learn something new today ")

Thanks

**Your writing is of a loving nature. I have communicated with others on this site that can be rude and so full of pride.

I too find in hard to understand such a heavenly sanctuary. It is hard to to visualize what heaven will be like and what bodies we will have in heaven. Just like understanding that the Holy Spirit dwells within us. But that is the thinking of my carnal mind. As Paul explains to us that if we are in Christ, we are not to walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. We have to put our faith in God’s word when he provides to us that there is a heavenly sanctuary, exactally like the pattern of the earthly sanctuary of the old testament. The verses that inform us of a heavenly sanctuary patterned after the earthly sanctuary can be found in (Heb 9:24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The words “holy place” are translated from the Greek expression “ta hagia,” which is a plural form meaning “holy places.” Therefore, Paul is literally stating that Jesus would take His own blood and enter both apartments (holy places) of the true tabernacle in heaven to start ministering in our behalf.
In (Heb 8:2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
The word “sanctuary” in this text is the same plural form, “ta hagia”, meaning holy places. This proves that there had to be a holy place and a most holy place in the temple above.I heard someone say to me…“Where there is a shadow, there must be a substance casting the shadow.” When we think about it a shadow is an exact replica of a substance.
John in Rev. informs us of the “holy” compartment… (Rev 1:13) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
John saw the Son of man in the first compartment of the temple in heaven, where the candlesticks always were located.

Revelation 4:5 and 5:6 continue to provide us with details of the “holy place” compartment in heaven.

As for the most holy place in heaven, read the words of John in Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament.” Surely, this provides the final proof that the pattern for the earthly also had two apartments. The most holy place contained the sacred ark wherein were the Ten Commandments (Hebrews 9:4).

As a side note… God is meditating over the “ark of His testament” also known as the " ark of the covenant" where the Ten Commandments are placed, in the Most Holy place of the Heavenly sanctuary. The Heavenly Sanctuary is the real thing from which all the Old Testament was patterned. Here is the real Priest ( Jesus), the real mediation, and inside the ark of the covenant the real Ten Commandments ( as was given to Moses). If the law, or any part of the law, that was in the ark was abrogated at the cross, Christ is meditating for the transgression of an obsolete law. Remember , John in Rev. 11:19 is seeing this heavenly seen years after the cross.

If there are any other questions about the heavenly compartments let me know. Do you see the Holy place and Most Holy place in the Heavenly sanctuary?

written with love**

 

[ryanoneil]

I guess I just don’t understand how it can be Antiochus IV, or Nero, as in verse 21 it reads " … and the same horn was making war against the saints… " It reads that it is the “same horn”, so I don’t believe it the little horn can refer to both of the identities that you mention.

written with love

Antiochus prefigured Nero, just like many OT figures prefigured Christ, just like Elijah prefigured John the Baptist. History becomes prophecy and when prophecy is fulfilled in the past, it often points to the future.

In the case of the OT little horn, he did war against the saints. And he prefigured the NT little horn who also killed the saints. And all that inturn points to the future.

 

[barboza21]

**Your writing is of a loving nature. I have communicated with others on this site that can be rude and so full of pride.

I too find in hard to understand such a heavenly sanctuary. It is hard to to visualize what heaven will be like and what bodies we will have in heaven. Just like understanding that the Holy Spirit dwells within us. But that is the thinking of my carnal mind. As Paul explains to us that if we are in Christ, we are not to walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. We have to put our faith in God’s word when he provides to us that there is a heavenly sanctuary, exactally like the pattern of the earthly sanctuary of the old testament. The verses that inform us of a heavenly sanctuary patterned after the earthly sanctuary can be found in (Heb 9:24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The words “holy place” are translated from the Greek expression “ta hagia,” which is a plural form meaning “holy places.” Therefore, Paul is literally stating that Jesus would take His own blood and enter both apartments (holy places) of the true tabernacle in heaven to start ministering in our behalf.
In (Heb 8:2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
The word “sanctuary” in this text is the same plural form, “ta hagia”, meaning holy places. This proves that there had to be a holy place and a most holy place in the temple above.I heard someone say to me…“Where there is a shadow, there must be a substance casting the shadow.” When we think about it a shadow is an exact replica of a substance.
John in Rev. informs us of the “holy” compartment… (Rev 1:13) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
John saw the Son of man in the first compartment of the temple in heaven, where the candlesticks always were located.

Revelation 4:5 and 5:6 continue to provide us with details of the “holy place” compartment in heaven.

As for the most holy place in heaven, read the words of John in Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament.” Surely, this provides the final proof that the pattern for the earthly also had two apartments. The most holy place contained the sacred ark wherein were the Ten Commandments (Hebrews 9:4).

As a side note… God is meditating over the “ark of His testament” also known as the " ark of the covenant" where the Ten Commandments are placed, in the Most Holy place of the Heavenly sanctuary. The Heavenly Sanctuary is the real thing from which all the Old Testament was patterned. Here is the real Priest ( Jesus), the real mediation, and inside the ark of the covenant the real Ten Commandments ( as was given to Moses). If the law, or any part of the law, that was in the ark was abrogated at the cross, Christ is meditating for the transgression of an obsolete law. Remember , John in Rev. 11:19 is seeing this heavenly seen years after the cross.

If there are any other questions about the heavenly compartments let me know. Do you see the Holy place and Most Holy place in the Heavenly sanctuary?

written with love**

I see the scripture verses you have given to support the 2 compartments-- and I see the ‘resemblance’ if you will – of the earthly and the heavenly sanctuary.

Few things that cross my mind:
*I still don’t understand the meaning of there being 2 compartments in heaven–Just thinking what could be their significance in heaven.
*When the bible talks about Jesus dying for us on the cross and ascending into heaven-it doesn’t say and he went up into the 1st compartment. It just says he went into heaven. Hebrews says he went into the sanctuary but it doesn’t say if he went into a certain compartment of it. My bible says: "*But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, then through the greater and more perfect tent(tabernable) he entered once and for all into the Holy Place, … “-*Heb 9:11-12
*When it says Jesus went into the santuary “once and for all” then he went there once and for all, not for a while and later on into another part.
**When Jesus expired, the bible says: The curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom…” *- Mat. 27:51 Which signifies various things, among them Jesus entering into Heaven. It just makes me think if the curtain was torn in two, would there still be a ‘curtain’ in the heavenly sanctuary? I also think if the curtain was torn in two, then there wouldn’t be a ‘divider’ anymore between the 1st and 2nd compartment-it would just be one whole heavenly sanctuary.

These are just a few things that come to mind. However, since I am not sure what the CC believes on this matter, I’ll say to you for now let’s say that there is two compartments in the heavenly sanctuary. Where do we go from here?

 

[BTTG]

I see the scripture verses you have given to support the 2 compartments-- and I see the ‘resemblance’ if you will – of the earthly and the heavenly sanctuary.

Few things that cross my mind:
*I still don’t understand the meaning of there being 2 compartments in heaven–Just thinking what could be their significance in heaven.
*When the bible talks about Jesus dying for us on the cross and ascending into heaven-it doesn’t say and he went up into the 1st compartment. It just says he went into heaven. Hebrews says he went into the sanctuary but it doesn’t say if he went into a certain compartment of it. My bible says: "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, then through the greater and more perfect tent(tabernable) he entered once and for all into the Holy Place, … “-Heb 9:11-12
*When it says Jesus went into the santuary “once and for all” then he went there once and for all, not for a while and later on into another part.
**When Jesus expired, the bible says: The curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom…” *- Mat. 27:51 Which signifies various things, among them Jesus entering into Heaven. It just makes me think if the curtain was torn in two, would there still be a ‘curtain’ in the heavenly sanctuary? I also think if the curtain was torn in two, then there wouldn’t be a ‘divider’ anymore between the 1st and 2nd compartment-it would just be one whole heavenly sanctuary.

These are just a few things that come to mind. However, since I am not sure what the CC believes on this matter, I’ll say to you for now let’s say that there is two compartments in the heavenly sanctuary. Where do we go from here?

**Response- You ask some very good questions. Your questions are the same questions I had when I first started to study the earthly and heavenly sanctuary. I am going to walk on very delicate terrain when I mention this. But I just want to be honest with you. Your statement above" I am not sure what the CC believes on this matter, I’ll say to you for now…" . When I study it is not what the church says, but what the holy spirit tells me as I study the bible. The church is not the authority, the bible is. For now you can’t believe what I say about the heavenly sanctuary, you must believe what the bible says.

I will comment on your thoughts next post… take care

written with love**

 

[adrift]

The church is not the authority, the bible is.

1 Tim. 3:15.
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

 

[BTTG]

(1Ti 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

(Joh 17:17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Truth is not defined by church fathers or theologians, or you or me who write comments, but by the Word of God.

(Eph 2:19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

The “house of God” which is the “church of God” is not a church building. The thought is that God is in the midst of the people.

A “church” building cannot reflect a “living God”, but a converted Christian can. Therefore, Christ’s “church” is primarily the spiritual gathering of converted people.

The truth comes through God’s word.

written with love

 

[adrift]

(1Ti 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

(Joh 17:17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Truth is not defined by church fathers or theologians, or you or me who write comments, but by the Word of God.

(Eph 2:19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

The “house of God” which is the “church of God” is not a church building. The thought is that God is in the midst of the people.

A “church” building cannot reflect a “living God”, but a converted Christian can. Therefore, Christ’s “church” is primarily the spiritual gathering of converted people.

The truth comes through God’s word.

written with love

You have tried to deflect from the point that you said that the Church is not the authority but that Scripture says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The building is merely where the Church meets. but of course you knew that already.

 

[BTTG]

I see the scripture verses you have given to support the 2 compartments-- and I see the ‘resemblance’ if you will – of the earthly and the heavenly sanctuary.

Few things that cross my mind:
*I still don’t understand the meaning of there being 2 compartments in heaven–Just thinking what could be their significance in heaven.
*When the bible talks about Jesus dying for us on the cross and ascending into heaven-it doesn’t say and he went up into the 1st compartment. It just says he went into heaven. Hebrews says he went into the sanctuary but it doesn’t say if he went into a certain compartment of it. My bible says: "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, then through the greater and more perfect tent(tabernable) he entered once and for all into the Holy Place, … “-Heb 9:11-12
*When it says Jesus went into the santuary “once and for all” then he went there once and for all, not for a while and later on into another part.
**When Jesus expired, the bible says: The curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom…” *- Mat. 27:51 Which signifies various things, among them Jesus entering into Heaven. It just makes me think if the curtain was torn in two, would there still be a ‘curtain’ in the heavenly sanctuary? I also think if the curtain was torn in two, then there wouldn’t be a ‘divider’ anymore between the 1st and 2nd compartment-it would just be one whole heavenly sanctuary.

These are just a few things that come to mind. However, since I am not sure what the CC believes on this matter, I’ll say to you for now let’s say that there is two compartments in the heavenly sanctuary. Where do we go from here?

**Response - The first apartment in type and anti-type.

Type - Ex. 29:42,43 - The visible presence of God in the fisrt apartment of the earthly sanctuary. Anti-type - Rev 4:2-5 - The seven lamps were seen in heaven before the throne

Type - Exo.30:7,8 - The high priest trimmed and lighted the lamps. Anti-type - Rev. 1:13 - Christ was seen among the golden candle-sticks in the heavenly sanctuary.

Type - Exo. 40:24,25 - The lamps in the earthly sanctuary were burning before the Lord. Anti-type - Rev. 4:2,5 - The seven lamps of fire were seen burning before the throne of God in heaven.

Type - Heb. 9:6 - The priest went always into the fist tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God - Anti-type - Heb 7:25 - Christ lives forever to make intercession for us.

Type - Lev. 4:7, 10:16-18 - By the blood and the flesh the sins were transfered to the earthly sanctuary. Anti-type- 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:7 - By the merits of the sacrifice of the body and the blood of Christ, our sins are forgiven.

Type - Num. 18:7 - Nobody but the priest could look behind the veil. All trace of the sin offering was covered from sight. Anti-type - When we confess our sins, they are transfered to the heavenly sanctuary and covered, nevermore to appear… if we are faithful.

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[BTTG]

The second apartment, or Day of Attonement

The day of attonement was once a year and was accomplished in the second apartment, or the Most Holy place of the earthly sanctuary.

The priest when he had " made an end of reconciling the holy place and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar", he went into the court. Type - The high priest bore the sins of the people of Israel which had been confessed and transfered to the sanctuary. Then the priest would lay his hands on the scapegoat of all the sins and transgressions of the people. The goat would bore all the iniquities of the people and go into the wilderness, of land that was not inhabited. Then the priest would return to the tabernacle and lay his priestly robes aside, and put on his other garments. Then he would cleanse the court from the sins. The blood of the animals in the sanctuary were carried out an burned. When the day of attonement was ending all the sins were gone and nothing remained but ashes. This is also true of the heavenly sanctuary in which God will decide the eternal destiny of every living soul. The confessed sins of Israel were transferred to the sanctuary throughout the year, but once a year the sanctuary was cleansed by removing those sins. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of these things in the heavens should be purified with these ( blood of animals); but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these ((Heb 9:23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.). Every sin is before the Lord. When sins are confessed and forgiven they are covered. S. Haskell - " It could not be possible that the books in heaven will always hold the records of sin, or that Christ will always bear the sins of the world. As the typical work was done at the close of the year, so the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary will take place near the end of Christ’s priestly work. The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary necessitates an examination of the records- an investigative judgement. "
The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary was performed by Christ once and for all and the investigative judgment began in 1844. In the earthly sanctuary the Lord went into the most holy place on the day of attonment and He promised His presence would be there. The high priest made special preparation for entering the service on the day of attonment.

written with love

 

[barboza21]

**Response- You ask some very good questions. Your questions are the same questions I had when I first started to study the earthly and heavenly sanctuary. I am going to walk on very delicate terrain when I mention this. But I just want to be honest with you. Your statement above" I am not sure what the CC believes on this matter, I’ll say to you for now…" . When I study it is not what the church says, but *what the holy spirit tells me ***as I study the bible. The church is not the authority, the bible is. For now you can’t believe what I say about the heavenly sanctuary, you must believe what the bible says.

I will comment on your thoughts next post… take care

written with love

You say you study the bible according to what the Holy Spirit is telling you. How do you know it is the Holy Spirit guiding you?

2 Tim 3:16 - All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. That’s why I believe in the bible and I read it. But this verse doesn’t say that scripture is sufficient. Because it is not. What scripture itself says is
2 Thess. 2:15 - So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either **by word of mouth **or by letter. (There was no bible then. Most was by word of mouth. The letters written by Paul and Peter, etc. were not a bible yet. When the 12 original apostles were alive they used their mouth not bible. Yes, they were guided by the Holy spirit. They were God’s church, teaching God’s church.

2 Peter 1:20-21 - Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 3:16 - *There are some things in them *[Paul’s letters] hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

How come the Holy Spirit couldn’t have guided the Ethiopian Eunuch when he was reading Isaiah? Instead, an angel of the Lord told Phillip to go find him and the Spirit told Phillip to go up to the Chariot. Then Phillip asked the Eunuch, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” Acts 8:26-35

The first Christians didn’t have a bible. They sometimes got to read one of the epistles. And even then I am sure whoever was in chare there explained it to them. I believe in the bible. I believe it is inspired. I believe it holds the truth. But I don’t believe I am able to understand something that was written by someone (that I did not personally know) some 2000 years ago.
These are my thoughts.