What does freedom mean to a Muslim

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Yep you said that it was only a translation… so you basically said that a translation of the qur’an is useless.
can you prove that i did?

for christians who think that we can judge a religion by its followers i have answered this before in the current thread i dont need to repeat it ,dont be ignorant and check it 🙂
 
can you prove that i did?

for christians who think that we can judge a religion by its followers i have answered this before in the current thread i dont need to repeat it ,dont be ignorant and check it 🙂
DON’T FEED THE TROLL!!!

You will never get an honest answer out of these moslems. They are hard-wired to lie to non-moslems. You are wasting time and bandwidth.
 
Booklover posted:
Nonsense! Here’s the proof that the "no compulsion in religion’! is nothing but taqqiya!
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YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
Vickie
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first those translations of meaning of quran not quran itself
"BelFarfalla:
Yep you said that it was only a translation… so you basically said that a translation of the qur’an is useless.
can you prove that i did?
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Yep the proof is above.
 
did i said its useless ?ok i will let christians see 😃
IF you did not mean that the translation of the Qur’an was of no use then what did you mean? You may not have used the word ‘useless’ but you basically stated that it was not even worth using. Hence useless.

And yes the Christians here will see that you meant that the quotes were useless and this is why you did not address them. You ignored them because they were a translation.
 
IF you did not mean that the translation of the Qur’an was of no use then what did you mean? You may not have used the word ‘useless’ but you basically stated that it was not even worth using. Hence useless.

And yes the Christians here will see that you meant that the quotes were useless and this is why you did not address them. You ignored them because they were a translation.
ok i`m letting them decide 🙂
 
shall we judge religion by its teachings or its followers? 🙂
I live next door to a wonderful muslim man named Muhammad. He is Pakistani and works very hard. He has lived here in the USA for nearly 35 years and supports his family who remain in Pakistan. We are very good friends and discuss many of the same issues that you have addressed. He seems to understand that christians worship only ONE GOD, even with the unexplainable 3=1, 1=3. He of course does not accept the christian belief, but he seems to let it lie. He is very angry at the Islamic world for the violence inflicted on non-muslims.

I have another friend named Nadeem who lives in Pakistan and is christian. He is poor and has a wife and one child. He takes care of his elderly parents. One month ago two men shot at him with a gun and ran him over with a car. He has not been able to work because of the injuries. The two men are muslim and the police will not do anything. They shot at him because he is christian.

I know that Islam is a rightious religion. Women are to treated with dignity, the Quran teaches that all muslims are brothers and that God is Allmighty.

There was a time that, for centuries, the Catholic Church caused injury and was not rightious. But, the Catholic Church has matured and has accepted responsibility for its actions. It now is a leader of peace in the world.

Several months ago the Pope quoted a 12th century emperor and the muslim world became very angry. The quote said something that showed that the muslim world had a very violent past. How did the muslim world react? It chastised the Pope and did not accept its responsibility. A christian priest and a nun , a holy woman dedicated to the work of GOD, were killed in reaction to the statement made by the Pope.

The world judges what is seen on the news and the past behaviour of the muslim world. It is the public perception that impacts what people think and how they behave. While I know that Islam teaches peace, it is the constant violence that people see.

You are in Egypt. Why don’t you speak out against the violence that is put on the Coptic Christians? Do you or do you not agree that the violence must stop?

Subrosa
 
I live next door to a wonderful muslim man named Muhammad. He is Pakistani and works very hard. He has lived here in the USA for nearly 35 years and supports his family who remain in Pakistan. We are very good friends and discuss many of the same issues that you have addressed. He seems to understand that christians worship only ONE GOD, even with the unexplainable 3=1, 1=3. He of course does not accept the christian belief, but he seems to let it lie. He is very angry at the Islamic world for the violence inflicted on non-muslims.

I have another friend named Nadeem who lives in Pakistan and is christian. He is poor and has a wife and one child. He takes care of his elderly parents. One month ago two men shot at him with a gun and ran him over with a car. He has not been able to work because of the injuries. The two men are muslim and the police will not do anything. They shot at him because he is christian.

I know that Islam is a rightious religion. Women are to treated with dignity, the Quran teaches that all muslims are brothers and that God is Allmighty.

There was a time that, for centuries, the Catholic Church caused injury and was not rightious. But, the Catholic Church has matured and has accepted responsibility for its actions. It now is a leader of peace in the world.

Several months ago the Pope quoted a 12th century emperor and the muslim world became very angry. The quote said something that showed that the muslim world had a very violent past. How did the muslim world react? It chastised the Pope and did not accept its responsibility. A christian priest and a nun , a holy woman dedicated to the work of GOD, were killed in reaction to the statement made by the Pope.

The world judges what is seen on the news and the past behaviour of the muslim world. It is the public perception that impacts what people think and how they behave. While I know that Islam teaches peace, it is the constant violence that people see.

You are in Egypt. Why don’t you speak out against the violence that is put on the Coptic Christians? Do you or do you not agree that the violence must stop?

Subrosa
did that who told you about violence told you why it happened?if he didnt then i will tell you , if he did then i think that what happened occured for a reason
 
did that who told you about violence told you why it happened?if he didnt then i will tell you , if he did then i think that what happened occured for a reason
He is a house painter. He was purchasing paint and the attack came.

They attacked him because he is christian.
 
did that who told you about violence told you why it happened?if he didnt then i will tell you , if he did then i think that what happened occured for a reason
Is this all you have to say? Is it too difficult to address all the issues I have raised in my post?
 
i`m searching for the topic in the news , i dont wanna talk without proof 🙂
I dont think the name of the topic is called proof??? its called what does freedom mean to a muslim…
Since you are such a stickler for sticking to the name of the title WHEN IT SUITS YOU.
Good try for trying to divert what Subrosa was getting at.
Face it, LOTS of christians are getting killed, why? Because they are CHRISTIANS!!!
 
I dont think the name of the topic is called proof??? its called what does freedom mean to a muslim…
Since you are such a stickler for sticking to the name of the title WHEN IT SUITS YOU.
Good try for trying to divert what Subrosa was getting at.
Face it, LOTS of christians are getting killed, why? Because they are CHRISTIANS!!!
if that is true ,didnt your mind told you how they still exist?🙂
 
if that is true ,didnt your so tiny mind told you how they still exist?🙂
Oh so you resort to name calling, you truly are a role model for your so called peaceful religion!
Face it, you dont have answers, Islam IS a false religion 🙂

And we still exist because Jesus promised us it would NEVER end.
After all, catholicism IS God’s true religion;)
 
did that who told you about violence told you why it happened?if he didnt then i will tell you , if he did then i think that what happened occured for a reason
The reason it happened apparently was because the man is a Christians. That’s it. That is the only reason that is often needed. I’ve seen it with my own eyes as a child.

I too know many Muslims who are wondeful people. But I also have seen with my own eyes and in the news the widespread mistreatment of Christians my Muslims.

It goes on in your own country. Copts there are treated horribly by Muslims. Yet you seem to have no compassion for what they are going through. You pretended it does not happen. Yet it does and I have no doubt that since you live in Egypt you know it happens.
 
here is why that happened ,i dont say it was justified but i say it was a reaction not an action ,they insulted islam and claimed manythings about it news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4366232.stm
That’s a crock. ‘insulting islam’ - ‘a reaction not an action’…

Grow Up!

It’s childish and barbaric to kill people, to stab a nun, to riot, over a movie.

Jesus said that you will know them by their fruits. I see the fruits here.

You should be ashamed for even trying to defend what happened with ‘a reaction not an action’ and ‘insulting Islam’.
 
That’s a crock. ‘insulting islam’ - ‘a reaction not an action’…

Grow Up!

It’s childish and barbaric to kill people, to stab a nun, to riot, over a movie.

Jesus said that you will know them by their fruits. I see the fruits here.

You should be ashamed for even trying to defend what happened with ‘a reaction not an action’ and ‘insulting Islam’.
islam must be respected ,we are not like christians who accept insult to their religion
plz go and study the bible to know what you will know them by their fruits mean

if its general then
December 8, 1941 - The USA declares war on Japan.

December 15, 1941 - US submarines sink Japanese merchant ships

January 27, 1942 - Japanese warship sunk by an American submarine

February 1, 1942 - First American aircraft carrier offensive of the war, Yorktown and Enterprise conduct air raids on Japanese bases in the Gilbert and Marshall Islands.

February 24, 1942 - The Enterprise attacks Japanese on Wake Island.

March 4, 1942 - The Enterprise attacks Marcus Island

March 18, 1942 - The War Relocation Authority us established in the USA. which will go on to round up 120,000 Japanese-American civilians and deport them to barb-wired camps

April 18, 1942 - Doolittle’ B-25 raids Tokyo from the Hornet

June 4-5, 1942 - The USA defeats Japan in the Battle of Midway, four Japanese carriers and a cruiser sunk by the American navy

August 7, 1942 - The USA invades Tulagi and Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands.

August 17, 1942 - American marines attack Makin Atoll in the Gilbert Islands

August 30, 1942 - The USA invades Adak Island in the Aleutian Islands.

April 18, 1943 - American P-38 fighters assassinate Japanese Admiral Yamamoto

May 10, 1943 - American Troops invade Attu in the Aleutian Islands.

June 1, 1943 - The USA begins submarine warfare against Japanese shipping.

July 8, 1943 - American B-24s bomb Japanese on Wake Island.
November 1, 1943 - The USA invades Bougainville in the Solomon Islands.

December 26, 1943 - American marines invade Cape Gloucester.

January 31, 1944 - The USA invades Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands.

June 5, 1944 - 77 American B-29 bomb Japanese railway stations in Thailand.

July 19, 1944 - The USA invades Guam in the Marianas.

October 11, 1944 - The USA raids Okinawa.

November 11, 1944 - Iwo Jima bombarded by the American Navy.

November 24, 1944 - American B-29s bomb aircraft factories near Tokyo.

February 19, 1945 - The USA invades Iwo Jima.

March 1, 1945 - American submarines sink a Japanese merchant ship, despite the ship being granted safe passage

March 9/10 - 279 American B-29s firebomb Tokyo, killing thousands of civilians

August 6, 1945 - Americans drop atomic bomb on Hiroshima killing over 100,000 Japanese civilians

August 9, 1945 - Americans drop atomic bomb on Nagasaki, killing over 30,000 Japanese civilians

August 14, 1945 - Japan surrenders unconditionally

August 29, 1945 - The USA occupies Japan
 
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