In the following quote you judged ‘Most “Westerners” ‘ as disobeying ‘he laws of God’.
I agree, you did not bring up popular culture. I did as I assume that is what you are referring to when you said that ‘Most “Westerners” choose to disobey the laws of God‘.
I studied Islam for years, always using Islamic sources. When I started my study I was very open minded. I prayed often to be shown the right way. It is only after a lot of study that I have come to the belief that Islam is false. I know many people who have had the same experience. Some of them even converted to Islam and were very faithful for a long time… only to find that they had been led down the wrong road.
No, that wasn’t a judgement, sadly, it is a fact. You even said something similar yourself about people disobeying God’s laws because none of us are perfect, but when I say it I’m judging, when you say it, it’s just a statement right? I said Westerners, because I am one, and I was including myself in that statement as well, even though I strive to cut out the haram from my life… we all sin, there are just some that are more major sins according to Islam that I as a Muslim should definitely avoid. Also, I put the word “westerners” in quotes like that because you are the one that originally brought the West into this discussion, not me, possibly thinking that I was some Arab Muslim with a Visa and not a little white American Muslim.
It seems that I am the Arab in this conversation…. the color of your skin and mine has no bearing on this conversation.
I was talking about ALL people, regardless of race, color, religious creed, etc…
That’s good to read…
The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16
What I posted to you was my response to that link you posted, NO I do not agree with it, and I don’t believe that that is the majority of the scholars. Then I posted the other link for you which doesn’t exactly go along with the “execute them for mocking the prophet” theme. I never heard of that, I have a friend with a degree in Islamic Studies who also teaches that I can ask about the information on that link you gave… but I’m pretty sure that she will tell me that is not the correct madhab (opinion).
my response to that link you posted, NO I do not agree with it, and I don’t believe that that is the majority of the scholars. Then I posted the other link for you which doesn’t exactly go along with the “execute them for mocking the prophet” theme. I never heard of that, I have a friend with a degree in Islamic Studies who also teaches that I can ask about the information on that link you gave… but I’m pretty sure that she will tell me that is not the correct madhab (opinion).
my response to that link you posted, NO I do not agree with it, and I don’t believe that that is the majority of the scholars. Then I posted the other link for you which doesn’t exactly go along with the “execute them for mocking the prophet” theme. I never heard of that, I have a friend with a degree in Islamic Studies who also teaches that I can ask about the information on that link you gave… but I’m pretty sure that she will tell me that is not the correct madhab (opinion).
I think he took offense at your first satement about this because it sets up the west(based on Christianity as its religion) as morally inferior to the Islamic world if only because the rest of the world is being excluded from your judgement. This is a very common theme I have heard among muslims that I know. "The west is “technologically superior” but “morally inferior” to the Islamic countries. If this is not what you are talking about, please clear this up for me.
If you would go read all the posts again, I’m sure I’ve said at least 3 times that I’m not the one that brought the West into this discussion, and when I said what I said, it had nothing to do with race, religion or anything else of that nature, and that it also included myself.
**“All I know is it is in the Quran…Allah knows best.” That is among the weakest defense about anything as I have ever heard.
Islam is institutionalized sexism among other -isms.
Nice dodge. As far as your signature goes, it depends on which side of the line you are standing on. Your signature is apt with respect to you looking in at Catholicism isn’t it?
Most moslems supported the Nazis, they had a real hatred of Jews anyway and the Nazis were exterminating Jews. For the moslems, this was a good thing. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a great admirer of Adolf Hitler and was given refuge in Berlin when the British sought to arrest him. Amadhassan is just a kid with no idea of history.so its justified to kill their children and un armed ppl
I don’t need a degree in “Islamic studies” to recognise a fraud when I see one. If you gave up Christianity for mohamedanism, then you sold your birthright for a mess of pottage. But, trust me, you will not be killed for having converted. No moslem can say that. The penalty for conversion to Christianity is not death, it is LIFE in Jesus Christ.If you would go read all the posts again, I’m sure I’ve said at least 3 times that I’m not the one that brought the West into this discussion, and when I said what I said, it had nothing to do with race, religion or anything else of that nature, and that it also included myself.
Has nothing to do with Hollywood, or pop culture, it’s REALITY, a reality in which I live and am also guilty of. It also had nothing to do with any Islamic contries or anyone being superior or inferior- here we are again, someone putting things into my mouth that I did not say nor do I believe.
How should I know if any Islamic country is better than the US if I have never been to one? I only speak on what I know, and I never said anything of the nature! Maybe we all should try to speak on what we know, and stop trying to put words into other peoples mouths!!! I don’t understand why I have to clear anything up for you, when what I said had nothing to do with what you implied/accused me of thinking. Maybe you should try to stop assuming and take your own advice about “making blanket statements” since you seem to think I am like “most Muslims you know” .
**All I said was that all people are guilty of committing sins (no matter what religion you follow) and no one **is perfect, I didn’t say what anyone or group or nation was guilty of. But again, there you go telling me what I think and asking me to explain myself- but you’re not even right about what I think.
I do not attempt to assess catholicism. As I’ve previously stated, I might not agree with your beliefs, but I do respect them. Simple as that. I’m actually interested in learning more about the concept of original sin, and the 7 dealy sins and heavenly virtues.
These sound like great topics. Why not start a new thread to discuss them?
Ahh, you didnt bring up the west in conversation, but you were the first to cast judgement on the west:
This is my point of contention with you. Not that you brought up the west, but that you cast a blanket statement upon it (which was completely new to the conversation).
I did not put words into your mouth. I asked for clarification. I did not say that this is what you meant, only what I have heard before and was unclear if this is what you meant. Dont be so quick to get angry.
I never said this is what you meant. Stop saying that I did. I didn’t make blanket statements about you. Your tone is not necessary.
Why cant I ask you to explain yourself if what I understood from you was unclear?**All I said was that all people are guilty of committing sins (no matter what religion you follow) and no one **is perfect, I didn’t say what anyone or group or nation was guilty of. But again, there you go telling me what I think and asking me to explain myself- but you’re not even right about what I think.
Your faith in itself assesses Catholicism. How do you respect an apostate faith, as Islam declares Catholicism to be?
Maybe you should ask us.
Maybe not.
allah knows best, right?