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Hereiam
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Yep…its the never ending confusion between pro-birth and pro-life…pro-birthers like to usurp the term pro-life, but without the moral considerations also included.
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My friend you CANNOT be a practicing Roman Catholic {or even a Christian for that matter} and hold these views.
GOD give women a fertile and a unfertile period each month to PERMIT one who does it HIS WAY; to avoid pregnancies. So I frankly don’t “buy” your subjective positions.
OBEY your God and the articulated problems will be pretty much resolved.
Life by GOD’S intent is NOT supposed to be easy: its a TEST of proving our fidelity and LOVE of and For Him. He suffered for us in part to be a MODEL for our lives:
Lk 14:27 And whosoever doth not carry his cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Phil 2:8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.
Mk 8: 34 And calling the multitude together with his disciples, he said to them: If any man will follow me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me
Mt 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mt 5:16 For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Lk 9:23And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me
My friend What I shared in my previous POST is a COMMAND, not an option. Failure to comply is a MORTAL sin.
May our God guide your path,
Easter Blessings,
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how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items:
pre-marital sex
condoms and birth control
the morning after pill on demand
gay marriage
government-funded abortion.
lgbt rights trump religious freedom
transgender bathrooms and showers
contraception mandate against faith-based groups like little sisters of the poor
appoint pro-abortion judges
no or limited school choice
etc.
these democratic positions are not equal with most liberals claim of defending the poor, climate change, healthcare, etc. these are just arguments over the proper way to handle these conditions, both sides agree they need to be addressed.
what i stated above are anti-christian
take it up with the bishop
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Sure he can.
It would help if when people disagreed about someone else’s reasonable political view on here, they wouldn’t go all nuts telling the other person that they can’t possibly be a Catholic thinking like that. Anybody who’s active in the Church knows that Catholics are all over the political spectrum. Let’s quit pretending they’re all conservative Republicans.
There is also nothing weird or wrong with wanting moms to have adequate maternity coverage.
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Hereiam
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When we cast votes for a candidate we are not necessarily casting votes for the party platform.
From a Franciscan and even Jesuit standpoint it might be argued that the agenda of the GOP platform contains many evils.
The point of the thread started by the OP was to ask if one can be Catholic and vote for a Democrat…Yes, it can be done,
The Church has NOT definitely stated through dogma, doctrine, or papal decree otherwise, and it uncharitable to put people on guilt trips based only on your own preferences and opinions.
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you didn’t answer the question. how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items?
if you can reconcile these items, i guess you can vote dem. i just am interested in how someone who votes dem reconciles these evils.
most agree these items need attention, views on how they are corrected are not evil. throwing money at the issues hasn’t worked so it is time to try something different.
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Hereiam
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Simply…i dont have to. I vote for candidates not parties, and to do otherwise is foolish.
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HolySpirit
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Recently, Cardinal Dolan has been discussing the fact that the Democratic Party has moved further and further away from Catholic values.
Take it for what it is worth.
Take it for what it is worth.
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unfortunately, the dems are trying to pick candidates that fully support their platform.
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Hereiam
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Then a personal decision has to me made…look at the mess the GOP put us in when they nominated Trump and so many of us were lulled into voting for him for the sake of the party platform while turning a blind eye to his moral deficiencies.
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Edward_H
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Everything in the world exists to serve God, including politics.
Governments exist to serve God.
Companies exist to serve God.
Physics exists to serve God.
To the extent politics prevents people from serving God, it’s corrupt and needs to be fixed.
Governments exist to serve God.
Companies exist to serve God.
Physics exists to serve God.
To the extent politics prevents people from serving God, it’s corrupt and needs to be fixed.
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Hereiam
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Whoa…I never claimed he hurt the Church. In fact in my mind, the President, no matter who it is, “hurts” the Church…but that’s a whole other thread.
As far as “the mess”, one would have to be off the grid not to see the loss of civility and trust that has been rampant since the 2016 election.
The Administration says one thing, and then Trump contradicts it and the government has to scramble, sending (arguably) dangerous messages to world diplomats, friend and foe, alike.
The president doesn’t just criticize, but publically berates anyone and any American institution that he disagrees with…Judges, FBI, CIA, Justice Department, everyone except Putin (again, that’s another thread in itself).
He exaggerates at best, and lies at worst, either intentionally or speaking too quickly without doing his research.
As a Catholic, I did find it troubling (a this is a personal thing, maybe it didn’t bother you or other Catholics) when he was said he could not recall asking God for forgiveness, because he didn’t think he had done anything that warranted it; or his reference to the Eucharist (even though he is not Catholic) as, his having “ate his little cracker” and “drank his little glass of wine”.
This is the mess I speak of.
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Monica83
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Unfortunately even if the candidate had been Ted Cruz(a well-spoken Christian conservative)many of the anti-Trump Catholics here would have voted for Hillary. So let’s not play the “if only Trump was not abrasive” card…
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this is a matter of opinion, i thought the obama admin was as bad as we could see so trump is more of the same. the church definitely couldn’t trust obama. he pushed policies contrary to church teaching. his support ensured passage and his admins enforcement of them was diabolical: little sisters of the poor.
trump is a rino. he won because a lot of people were fed up with the establishment. trump is playing to that crowd. isn’t trump episcopal? isn’t the cracker and wine just symbolical to an episcopal? they have woman reverends.
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HolySpirit
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Trump has tried to do more for religious liberty than any President we have had in the last 100 years. After 8 years of watching a President try to destroy religious liberty, I think every Catholic should thank President Trump. So too should every Jew and Christian.upant:
Whoa…I never claimed he hurt the Church. In fact in my mind, the President, no matter who it is, “hurts” the Church…but that’s a whole other thread.
As far as “the mess”, one would have to be off the grid not to see the loss of civility and trust that has been rampant since the 2016 election.
The Administration says one thing, and then Trump contradicts it and the government has to scramble, sending (arguably) dangerous messages to world diplomats, friend and foe, alike.
The president doesn’t just criticize, but publically berates anyone and any American institution that he disagrees with…Judges, FBI, CIA, Justice Department, everyone except Putin (again, that’s another thread in itself).
He exaggerates at best, and lies at worst, either intentionally or speaking too quickly without doing his research.
As a Catholic, I did find it troubling (a this is a personal thing, maybe it didn’t bother you or other Catholics) when he was said he could not recall asking God for forgiveness, because he didn’t think he had done anything that warranted it; or his reference to the Eucharist (even though he is not Catholic) as, his having “ate his little cracker” and “drank his little glass of wine”.
This is the mess I speak of.
Talking points mean very little. President Trump has continued to uphold the 1st Amendment and every religious person should thank him from the bottom of their hearts.
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Hereiam
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I can’t come up with any, but could you provide examples of how “President Trump has continued to uphold the 1st Amendment”, other than Freedom of Speech, which he seems to either push to the limit or totally subvert?
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Genesis315
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“Politics” is about how civil authority should govern. Civil authority exists to serve the common good. The true religion informs important elements of the common good. Therefore, religion and politics, while governed by two distinct powers (Church and State) are always interrelated.
Since human beings are not omniscient, as long as we all accept the truth about ultimately what is good for man (temporal and spiritual prosperity) and do not advocate for the direct commission of acts contrary to the natural or divine law, then there is room for debate as to what the factual circumstances are and what measures would best serve the common good–this would be a healthy political debate, where those of good will may fall on either side.
Unfortunately, in the USA, we have a two party system where issues are pretty arbitrarily divided between the two parties, neither of which really has a coherent conception of the common good, according to the objective moral order and a true understanding about man and his destiny.
In making a choice between one or the other–or neither–we need to do our best to take into account both the earthly and spiritual well being of all, measured against the true religion and the natural law.
Since human beings are not omniscient, as long as we all accept the truth about ultimately what is good for man (temporal and spiritual prosperity) and do not advocate for the direct commission of acts contrary to the natural or divine law, then there is room for debate as to what the factual circumstances are and what measures would best serve the common good–this would be a healthy political debate, where those of good will may fall on either side.
Unfortunately, in the USA, we have a two party system where issues are pretty arbitrarily divided between the two parties, neither of which really has a coherent conception of the common good, according to the objective moral order and a true understanding about man and his destiny.
In making a choice between one or the other–or neither–we need to do our best to take into account both the earthly and spiritual well being of all, measured against the true religion and the natural law.
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MonteRCMS
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Some political entities have banned parts of the Bible.
How do you feel about banning the Bible?
How do you feel about banning the Bible?
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