What happens to the bodies of the dammed?

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alright about a week ago one of my friends brought asked a question

what happens to the bodies of the dammed after the resurrection of the body?

I’m pretty sure that we Catholics believe that all bodies will be resurrected in the end of time

then god will judge us sending some to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons

Also God will create a new heaven and a new earth

but now the question arises what happens to the dammed.

really the only thing we know is that they will be in some eternal fire

but where is that fire?

nothing in the book of revelation says that God will create a new Hell

and if we all get our bodies back then there has to be some place for the dammed to go it has to be some physical place becuase it is impossible for bodies to take up nothingness. So hell has to be some type of physical place

I don’t think the Catholic church has any official stance on this but I do know the orthodox church does

they say that actually everyone goes to heaven and that we will all be consumed by the eternal fire of God, but the eternal fire of God is actually hell for the dammed.

When thinking about the orthodox position it starts to make more since that this could actually be right becuase there is nothing in scripture to my knowledge that rejects this.

But it still may not be right

i know someone in the past taught me that Hell was an eternal disconnection from God, but if this orthodox theory is correct then the people in hell are actually still connected with God but that connection to them is Hell becuase they rejected God and want nothing to do with it.

If the church really does have an official stance on this please let me know if not please give me your opinion on the matter

thanks

CT
 
catholictiger said:
alright about a week ago one of my friends brought asked a question

what happens to the bodies of the dammed after the resurrection of the body?

I’m pretty sure that we Catholics believe that all bodies will be resurrected in the end of time

then god will judge us sending some to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons

Also God will create a new heaven and a new earth

but now the question arises what happens to the dammed.

really the only thing we know is that they will be in some eternal fire

but where is that fire?

nothing in the book of revelation says that God will create a new Hell

and if we all get our bodies back then there has to be some place for the dammed to go it has to be some physical place becuase it is impossible for bodies to take up nothingness. So hell has to be some type of physical place

I don’t think the Catholic church has any official stance on this but I do know the orthodox church does

they say that actually everyone goes to heaven and that we will all be consumed by the eternal fire of God, but the eternal fire of God is actually hell for the dammed.

When thinking about the orthodox position it starts to make more since that this could actually be right becuase there is nothing in scripture to my knowledge that rejects this.

But it still may not be right

i know someone in the past taught me that Hell was an eternal disconnection from God, but if this orthodox theory is correct then the people in hell are actually still connected with God but that connection to them is Hell becuase they rejected God and want nothing to do with it.

If the church really does have an official stance on this please let me know if not please give me your opinion on the matter

thanks

CT
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You ask quite a few questions; difficult to deal with all of them at once - but dealing first with the one that is specified in the topic title:-

In regard to the ‘reprobate’, it is a matter not only of theological certainty, but of Catholic faith, that the reprobate also will rise in their bodies.

Thus not to admit resurrection for the reprobate acts entirely against Catholic faith.
 
paduard said:
You ask quite a few questions; difficult to deal with all of them at once - but dealing first with the one that is specified in the topic title:-

In regard to the ‘reprobate’, it is a matter not only of theological certainty, but of Catholic faith, that the reprobate also will rise in their bodies.

Thus not to admit resurrection for the reprobate acts entirely against Catholic faith.
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sorry i asked so much but i don’t think this question is very easy to answer and has alot that goes into it.
 
Human beings have and will always have bodies. That it is part of being a human, we are not going to be pure spirits.The glorified body of a saint is and will be subject to the will of the person. In the case of the damned the soul will suffer as well as his body, I seriously doubt that the will of a damned will be able to completely subject the body. Physical pain will be real and it could simply be a consequence of the spiritual pain.
 
catholictiger said:
alright about a week ago one of my friends brought asked a question

what happens to the bodies of the dammed after the resurrection of the body?

I’m pretty sure that we Catholics believe that all bodies will be resurrected in the end of time

really the only thing we know is that they will be in some eternal fire

but where is that fire?
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You will indeed receive you body, and this applies to every"body." Issues like cremation and decomposition do not matter because you are not in time beyond death. GOD will take a time-impression of your living self and rebuild the Body in eternity. Whether in Heaven or Hell, both of which are eternal.

“The fire” exists in Eternity, likewise, and so we do not see it now. “Now”, we see only the moment we are passing through, and the solid traces of matter that is durable. We will not see Eternity until we have eternal eyes.

ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
You will indeed receive you body, and this applies to every"body." Issues like cremation and decomposition do not matter because you are not in time beyond death. GOD will take a time-impression of your living self and rebuild the Body in eternity. Whether in Heaven or Hell, both of which are eternal.

“The fire” exists in Eternity, likewise, and so we do not see it now. “Now”, we see only the moment we are passing through, and the solid traces of matter that is durable. We will not see Eternity until we have eternal eyes.

ICXC NIKA.
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that makes since but the question i still have does anyone think that hell and heaven will be seperate even though in revelations God doesn’t create a new Hell, or is the Eternal lake of fire just another word for Hell and God really did create a hell he just didn’t call it that.

BTW i know we are going to have our bodies back even the dammed

just the question is where do they Go.
 
catholictiger said:
that makes since but the question i still have does anyone think that hell and heaven will be seperate even though in revelations God doesn’t create a new Hell, or is the Eternal lake of fire just another word for Hell and God really did create a hell he just didn’t call it that.

BTW i know we are going to have our bodies back even the dammed

just the question is where do they Go.
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Luke 16: Between the “rich man” and Abraham/Lazarus, “there is a great gulf fixed”; i.e, the 2 locales are separated.

N.B. All 3 of these people had bodies: the “Rich Man” could see, and feel heat, and be thirsty; Lazarus had his fingers and limbs, since the “Rich Man” wanted him dip his finger in water and walk over to him; Abraham had a “bosom” and, presumably, arms, to hold and comfort Lazarus.

In the gospel about the wedding feast, the improperly clothed man has his limbs bound and is “cast to the outer darkness.” Cast out: he isn’t in the King’s presence but is separated from him.

In Rev, it is not said that God creates a “new Hell.” It does say, however, that Hades is cast into the Lake of Fire. Sounds like a new Hell to me.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
Luke 16: Between the “rich man” and Abraham/Lazarus, “there is a great gulf fixed”; i.e, the 2 locales are separated.

N.B. All 3 of these people had bodies: the “Rich Man” could see, and feel heat, and be thirsty; Lazarus had his fingers and limbs, since the “Rich Man” wanted him dip his finger in water and walk over to him; Abraham had a “bosom” and, presumably, arms, to hold and comfort Lazarus.

In the gospel about the wedding feast, the improperly clothed man has his limbs bound and is “cast to the outer darkness.” Cast out: he isn’t in the King’s presence but is separated from him.

In Rev, it is not said that God creates a “new Hell.” It does say, however, that Hades is cast into the Lake of Fire. Sounds like a new Hell to me.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
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good points thanks
 
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.” Rev 21:1

Our bodies are not the same, in a physical sense. The current creation is corruptible. Our bodies do not remain as they should. We can degrade and harm them, as well as harm other creatures as well. The Sons and Daughters of God will be given new, incorruptible bodies.

I do not know for sure whether or not the damned will be given a new body, but I would doubt it. With their old bodies gone with the passing of the old universe, their would be no reason to give them a new one; the new body is the reward for the righteous and elect. Also, please understand; we do not need physical bodies to suffer. I would go through every torture of this world rather than go through the torment Satan goes through from losing heaven and the presence of God. I pity him for that pain, but, like God, I respect his choice, even as much as it disgusts me.

Peace be with you,
Archistrage
 
archistrage said:
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.” Rev 21:1

Our bodies are not the same, in a physical sense. The current creation is corruptible. Our bodies do not remain as they should. We can degrade and harm them, as well as harm other creatures as well. The Sons and Daughters of God will be given new, incorruptible bodies.
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It will, in a sense, be a “new Body” = spiritual body, 1 Co 15. However, in some way, our old Human Bodies will form part of it, in the same way that our LORD did not leave His old form in the tomb.
I do not know for sure whether or not the damned will be given a new body, but I would doubt it. With their old bodies gone with the passing of the old universe, their would be no reason to give them a new one; the new body is the reward for the righteous and elect. Also, please understand; we do not need physical bodies to suffer.
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Maybe not, but you are not a spirit, you are a human being; you need a body to be.

Also as the Church holds that every"body" will be raised physically, this is an academic point, anyhow. ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
It will, in a sense, be a “new Body” = spiritual body, 1 Co 15. However, in some way, our old Human Bodies will form part of it, in the same way that our LORD did not leave His old form in the tomb.

Maybe not, but you are not a spirit, you are a human being; you need a body to be.

Also as the Church holds that every"body" will be raised physically, this is an academic point, anyhow. ICXC NIKA
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I’m sorry, I meant to be more specific on that point. As God says, “Behold, I make all things new.” Rev 21:5 Our bodies will “be made new,” or better put, renewed. When Christ resurrected, his body was renewed. He still bore the marks of his passion and crucifixion, but that was because that was who he now was; he is the “Lamb that seemed to have been slained.” Rev 5:6 But that’s who he was; his identity.
We will still retain our identity as well (I believe that’s what you meant). We won’t be mindless drones.

Also, yes we are human beings. The human denotes the physical form, while the being denotes the spiritual. We possess a spiritual nature just as we possess a human nature, but the spiritual is not dependent on our physical. We need a physical form, either corruptible or incorruptible, in order to be what God wants us to be, but we do not need a physical form merely to be, to exist. As evidence for that, when people die, their souls do not cease to exist (otherwise, I’m in the wrong religion).

Peace be with you,
Archistrage
 
people im not here to debate what happens to our bodies we already know that the church and the bible is very clear on this

im wondering where do the bodies of the dammed go. The church isn’t clear on this i don’t think they have a stance on this
 
Souls in hell have physical bodies.

They suffer intolerable physical pains for all eternity (worse than anything you could imagine on earth), with no respite, and no hope.
 
Like everything else, the bodies of the damned will pass away with the rest of matter in the universe, before the coming of the New Jerusalem.

I do not know for sure whether or not the damned would get knew bodies. As I said, they don’t need bodies to suffer in Hell. Satan doesn’t have a physical form, yet he suffers greatly. Souls in hell will suffer likewise to Satan. They won’t suffer physical pain, but Spiritual pain. Hell is the absolute and irredeemable separation from God. God is pure Spirit, therefore, the pain that those in hell will feel will also be spiritual. Physical pain is caused by physical stimuli, not spiritual stimuli.

So it is possible that those in hell will also have a physical form. Possible, but it is illogical. Giving the damned a physical body is pointless when the pain they will feel on a spiritual level will be essentially nullify any physical pain. Even including the fact that God has infinite power, giving them a physical body is a waster of power. It makes no sense.

Hell ain’t a roaring fire with demons shoving pick forks up your… It is the supreme form of isolation. Nothing good, no hope, no love; just you.

Peace be with you,
Archistrage
 
This is a silly question to ask in Philosophy. Your premise is flawed to begin with.
 
StrawberryJam said:
This is a silly question to ask in Philosophy. Your premise is flawed to begin with.
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how is it flawed

and this is very philosophical becuase you can partly explain it by going through metaphysics and how our bodies can’t be separated from our souls (not entierly true though there are problems with philosphy)

also many catholic philosophers probably have explained this in some way

i guess why i asked this question in this forum is because the question was asked by a philosophy major and was answered by someone who is going to get a doctorate in philosophy with a couple of other things i think.
 
catholictiger said:
how is it flawed

and this is very philosophical becuase you can partly explain it by going through metaphysics and how our bodies can’t be separated from our souls (not entierly true though there are problems with philosphy)

also many catholic philosophers probably have explained this in some way

i guess why i asked this question in this forum is because the question was asked by a philosophy major and was answered by someone who is going to get a doctorate in philosophy with a couple of other things i think.
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We need to define terms. Who is damned? Are they damned at a future point, after death? Or were they born damned? Who does the damning?
 
StrawberryJam said:
We need to define terms. Who is damned? Are they damned at a future point, after death? Or were they born damned? Who does the damning?
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The term damned is used for a dead human being that has gone through the particular judgment and it is on the way to hell. It simple Christian doctrine.
 
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