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Hi Todd,
Thanks. I was appauled also at how easily the filipinos accept foreign religions and just convert on a dime. There is so much religious piety and yet they so easily roll over. My wife comments on this all the time.
I remember the WEIRDEST feeling I had when I went to my wife’s aunt’s house and there at her dinner table corner of her little kitchen area was a picture of PAT ROBERTSON!!! lol!! She bragged like crazy about meeting him and how she’s born again. Sigh…LOL
A filipino into the 700 Club!?
Mormon Filipinos? Joseph Smith, brass plates, Moroni and lumpia? Weird combo!
JW’S and filipinos? Bad mix!
Thanks. I was appauled also at how easily the filipinos accept foreign religions and just convert on a dime. There is so much religious piety and yet they so easily roll over. My wife comments on this all the time.
I remember the WEIRDEST feeling I had when I went to my wife’s aunt’s house and there at her dinner table corner of her little kitchen area was a picture of PAT ROBERTSON!!! lol!! She bragged like crazy about meeting him and how she’s born again. Sigh…LOL
A filipino into the 700 Club!?
Mormon Filipinos? Joseph Smith, brass plates, Moroni and lumpia? Weird combo!
JW’S and filipinos? Bad mix!
Excellent post gurney
I spent two yrs in Manila, and you nailed it - people need to get upset about certain things, or nothing changes
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Hmmm…two posts in before the blame was shifted on the OP. I cannot say that is a record, but, I didn’t check how much time had elapsed between the OP and the second reply.
Anyway, I hate when that happens, when Catholics who love God & His Church call other Catholics on the carpet and the other Catholics get defensive and point fingers. Deflection, anyone?
Anyway, Nicea325, EXCELLENT OP, I’m glad you could vent, I’m sorry that the tables were turned and others don’t love God and His OHC&A Church as much as you do (nobody here, I’m sure), and I am sorry for you and for Jesus who has to bear witness to these atrocities committed unto Him and His Name. I know, you are weeping along beside Him in His Passion.
Anyway, I hate when that happens, when Catholics who love God & His Church call other Catholics on the carpet and the other Catholics get defensive and point fingers. Deflection, anyone?
Anyway, Nicea325, EXCELLENT OP, I’m glad you could vent, I’m sorry that the tables were turned and others don’t love God and His OHC&A Church as much as you do (nobody here, I’m sure), and I am sorry for you and for Jesus who has to bear witness to these atrocities committed unto Him and His Name. I know, you are weeping along beside Him in His Passion.
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gurneyhalleck1
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I doubt that Nicea is the only pious Catholic or Christian who loves Christ here. You’re sorry others don’t love his Church as much as he does? Where do you get this stuff? There are PLENTY of Catholics EVERYWHERE who love the Church like Nicea. “I’m sorry for you and for Jesus?” HUH?..as if they’re linked and nobody else shares in these things? Wow…
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ora_pro_nobis
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In my defence, can I just say it was the OP who started the finger-pointing? and since when has wearing sandals and not knowing about the Sanctuary lamp been “atrocities”? give me a break…
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Sometimes I think threads like this are good in that its sort of a communal self reflection for us Catholics.
and I think what I don’t like most about fellow Catholics can be summed up in something Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said…
Bishop Sheen said of the communists “They have no Truth and all zeal” meaning they were so passionate and devoted to their cause, but their cause did not have on iota of the Truth in it.
and concerning fellow Catholics, Bishop Sheen said “We have all Truth and no zeal”
the lack of zeal for the Faith is perhaps the biggest dislike I have about fellow Catholics as a whole and I myself have been guilty of this as well.
I don’t know why we are so timid or afraid, or just perhaps too lazy to be on fire for the Faith. And this is my biggest issue amongst Catholics.
and I think what I don’t like most about fellow Catholics can be summed up in something Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said…
Bishop Sheen said of the communists “They have no Truth and all zeal” meaning they were so passionate and devoted to their cause, but their cause did not have on iota of the Truth in it.
and concerning fellow Catholics, Bishop Sheen said “We have all Truth and no zeal”
the lack of zeal for the Faith is perhaps the biggest dislike I have about fellow Catholics as a whole and I myself have been guilty of this as well.
I don’t know why we are so timid or afraid, or just perhaps too lazy to be on fire for the Faith. And this is my biggest issue amongst Catholics.
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LittleSoldier
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oy vey!!!Do you know me? Have we ever had an extended conversation about how much we both love God and His Church? I don’t believe so. Sooo…just how do you know that Nicea325 (who IMHO loves God and His Church very much) loves God and His Church more than me?
You don’t know, you can’t know, and you will not know.
Oh, but you put in that little disclaimer (“nobody here, I’m sure”) and so that means there is a possibility that I can love God and the Church as much as the OP? And the others in the thread, too?
Just why did you put that little disclaimer in your post?
I think you’re judging people and that is not right. There are most probably people out there being martyred in the name of God and the Catholic Church, being tortured, there are living saints walking on this earth. I know there are people who love God and His Church more than I do. Or maybe they at least have more faith.
There have been disagreements in this thread but wow, to make a statement like that when loving God and His Church is such a personal thing!!
Atrocities!!! These things pale in comparison to the activities of Satanists, the Taliban, and others. These things form a list which has been discussed. And those who do not agree with what is on the list (one or all) don’t necessarily love God and His Church one iota less than the OP or one iota more.
What would you expect? That everyone would write “Wow, this is a great list!! I agree with everything you’ve written!!” I don’t believe the OP expected nor wanted that.
I didn’t know about the candle near the sanctuary. I guess that shows I don’t love God and His Church as much as those who are aware of it and its meaning.
And God forbid I wear sandals to Mass!! That would be an atrocity, wouldn’t it? Wait a minute, didn’t Jesus wear sandals?
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PRmerger
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You can usually tell by the way they answer your question, “Why do Catholics ______?” If they shrug their shoulders as if they couldn’t care less, then that’s a pretty good indicator that they’re the*** Not Zealous Catholic.***
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ICMa
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What is the problem? In my parish quite all children and many women and men wear sandals in summertime. Me too.
The priest is a friar and he wear sandals and often, in week days, flip-flops.
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UniversalistGuy
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Shoulder shrugging? Is that it? Nothing a little more definitive?
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ManOnFire
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- Catholics who choose to conform to the unelected pop culture out of peer pressure when it is bad for relationships and against Church teaching. The unelected Pop culture teaches that conformity is bad, then labels you as “not correct” when you reuse to conform to their wishes. What a hypocrisy.
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Apryl
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Interesting
Based on all the things that were listed, and the responses, what seems to repeat is the idea that ‘What? I wear sandals to Mass… and my PRIEST wears Sandals to Mass. What’s wrong’
What is missing is based on the rest of the list, why does THIS line cause such a speed bump on the Understanding Highway?
When talking abougt the sandals, I didn’t get the impression that ‘woe be to he who wears sandals to a Catholic Mass, for he should prepare himself for Fire and Brimstone’. The problem is the entire outfit, including the sandals. That would be like saying that someone wore a pants to an evening event. If the woman in question were to wear a t-shirt, or a polo-shirt and a pair of khaki pants, that’s one thing. What if, on the other hand, that woman had on a chiffon pantset with pearl earrings and high heel shoes, that would give an entirely different impression
The sad thing is, because some folx wear sandals, or even shorts, to Mass, others seem to get the idea that ANY sandals and ANY shorts and putting them together in any way should be acceptable.
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PRmerger
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I think, UG, you can extrapolate and think a little in the abstract on this point.Shoulder shrugging? Is that it? Nothing a little more definitive?
But I’ll try to be more specific for you, but not exhaustive:
How to tell a zealous Catholic from a non-zealous Catholic:
You ask a Catholic, “Why do Catholics ________?” and he (or she) responds cluelessly.
Or with boredome (that is, with no zeal for the faith).
Or by staring at you blankly.
Or by giving a nonsequitor.
Or by saying, “I don’t know. I’ve never really thought about it.” (N.B. these exact words need not be used, UG.
)I mean, really, UG, I will respectfully say that I find the question, and your “I’m confused” response, a little bit disingenuous. Clearly, if you can tell the difference between, say, a zealous tennis player and a non-zealous tennis player (and I’m certain you can!) then I’m certain you can extrapolate and see for yourself how you can identify a zealous Catholic from a non-zealous Catholic.
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gurneyhalleck1
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I’m going to actually modify this a touch. It’s a valid criticism of many Catholics “out there” in the field that they’re not zealous enough. But people IN HERE? Come on!!? They need to tone the zeal DOWN TOWN baby. It’s often borderline paranoid, attack-dog, angry, judgmental, and downright rowdy zeal. It’s unchanneled and random at times. Let’s UP the zeal “out there” in the parishes, tone “down” the zeal here! If it says “industrial strength Catholic” or “hardcore Catholic” or “impassioned totally 100% Catholic Latin Rite with pride!” or “Tiber Swim Champion” or “Catholic, no ifs ands or buts, period!” then I’m moving on! LOL!!
If it says “industrial strength Catholic” or “hardcore Catholic” or “impassioned totally 100% Catholic Latin Rite with pride!” or “Tiber Swim Champion” or “Catholic, no ifs ands or buts, period!” then I’m moving on! LOL!!
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Is that it? Nothing a little more definitive?UniversalistGuy;7028627 said:
But I’ll try to be more specific for you, but not exhaustive:
How to tell a zealous Catholic from a non-zealous Catholic:
You ask a Catholic, “Why do Catholics ________?” and he (or she) responds cluelessly.
Or with boredome (that is, with no zeal for the faith).
Or by staring at you blankly.
Or by giving a nonsequitor.
Or by saying, “I don’t know. I’ve never really thought about it.” (N.B. these exact words need not be used, UG.
I mean, really, UG, I will respectfully say that I find the question, and your “I’m confused” response, a little bit disingenuous. Clearly, if you can tell the difference between, say, a zealous tennis player and a non-zealous tennis player (and I’m certain you can!) then I’m certain you can extrapolate and see for yourself how you can identify a zealous Catholic from a non-zealous Catholic.
Sorry I was thinking along completely different lines. I was thinking about taking up your cross every day, loving your neighbor as yourself, loving your enemies, striving to be Christlike, and displaying the fruit of the Spirit in your life and I’d expected that to be your standard. I’m way off. Many apologies.
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PRmerger
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Oh. If you knew the answer, (which I correctly assumed you did), why ask the question?
But you’re right in giving examples of zealous Catholics.
I gave examples of non-zealous Catholics.
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UniversalistGuy
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The examples I gave were my idea of zealous Christians. I’m checking into Catholicism.Oh. If you knew the answer, (which I correctly assumed you did), why ask the question?
But you’re right in giving examples of zealous Catholics.
I gave examples of non-zealous Catholics.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Catholics are Christians. The standards you posted are the same.
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