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OraLabora
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Sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate issues.
What if "gay" men die of AIDS far more than any other group of people?
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jmcrae
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If he has taken an approved course in CPR, then he owns or has access to face masks that he can use to do mouth-to-mouth resuscitation without the need for skin to skin contact.
There is no reason to refuse help to a homosexual person (although if he is lying on the ground unconscious, I’m not sure how one would tell he was a homosexual, unless he were also a cross-dresser - but not all cross-dressers are homosexual, either.
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Barbkw
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Not according to these Catholic psychotherapists who work with children who have sexual identity disorder.
Their article discusses the relationship between homosexuality and identity disorders in children.
Two paragraphs from their article:
"Some people may avoid treatment because they believe that gender identity problems are a sign that the child was born “homosexual,” and that the parents should simply accept this outcome as inevitable and encourage the child to accept a homosexual identity.
**Given the positive results of early intervention, the profound unhappiness of these children during elementary school, and the massive problems which accompany same-sex attraction in adolescence, parents should do everything possible to help their child resolve even minor gender identity problems. **
Catholic parents need to be particularly concerned. The Church’s teaching on homosexual activity is clearly stated in the Catechism, “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered . . . Under no circumstances can they be approved” (no. 2357). For a Catholic trying to be obedient to God, temptations to same-sex activity are a source of deep pain.
**Treatment of adolescents or adults is possible, but difficult, and the outcome is not assured. It is far better to prevent the problem or treat it in early childhood. **
Their article discusses the relationship between homosexuality and identity disorders in children.
Two paragraphs from their article:
"Some people may avoid treatment because they believe that gender identity problems are a sign that the child was born “homosexual,” and that the parents should simply accept this outcome as inevitable and encourage the child to accept a homosexual identity.
**Given the positive results of early intervention, the profound unhappiness of these children during elementary school, and the massive problems which accompany same-sex attraction in adolescence, parents should do everything possible to help their child resolve even minor gender identity problems. **
Catholic parents need to be particularly concerned. The Church’s teaching on homosexual activity is clearly stated in the Catechism, “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered . . . Under no circumstances can they be approved” (no. 2357). For a Catholic trying to be obedient to God, temptations to same-sex activity are a source of deep pain.
**Treatment of adolescents or adults is possible, but difficult, and the outcome is not assured. It is far better to prevent the problem or treat it in early childhood. **
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bingbang
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Any secular psychotherapists that agree with this?
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Barbkw
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ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/210
Secular psychotherapy has been influenced by the militant homosexual agenda for over 30 years. They successfully lobbied and had homosexuality taken out of the scientific journals as being a “disorder”. Homosexuality was relabel in 1973 in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders II (DMS) as a “disturbance”.
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Barbkw
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catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0039.html
From the CMA
“Homosexuality and Hope”
CATHOLIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
**“Homosexuality and Hope” is the result of a two-year study by a special task force of The Catholic Medical Association (CMA). **Based on current scientific facts and the practical experience of task force members, “Homosexuality and Hope” outlines a positive program of providing help, support and hope for those homosexual persons who wish to live in union with the Catholic Church.
From the CMA
“Homosexuality and Hope”
CATHOLIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
**“Homosexuality and Hope” is the result of a two-year study by a special task force of The Catholic Medical Association (CMA). **Based on current scientific facts and the practical experience of task force members, “Homosexuality and Hope” outlines a positive program of providing help, support and hope for those homosexual persons who wish to live in union with the Catholic Church.
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bingbang
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You just sent me to a slight summary of the article and really it tells me nothing about the article. It just says:
“He argues that what is at issue is a value judgment about heterosexuality, rather than a factual dispute about homosexuality.”
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bingbang
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“The Catholic Medical Association is dedicated to upholding the principles of the Catholic Faith as related to the practice of medicine and to promoting Catholic medical ethics to the medical profession, including mental health professionals, the clergy, and the general public.”
They started with an agenda and cherry picked research to try to prove it.
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Barbkw
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Yes, the militant homosexual agenda did just that.
The CMA includes treatment for children and their families who are affected by gender identity disorders.
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bingbang
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I read through bits and pieces of that article and there is no real proof for what they are trying to say. I think that if homosexuality was treatable in children, then it would be treatable in adults…but courage doesn’t even try to make gay people straight. They know that it is pretty useless to try to transform someone’s sexuality.
Also I would be interested to see what research in the past 10 years has said about the issue. Most of the citations in this paper are from the 70’s and the latest is from 2000.
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Barbkw
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“I think that if homosexuality was treatable in children, then it would be treatable in adults…”
Gender identity issues in young children when left untreated become connected to sexual identity issues in puberty & the teen years.
Once a preteen or teen finds sexual fulfillment (linking sexual desire to their gender identity) it becomes much more difficult to overcome the homosexual lifestyle.
Gender identity issues in young children when left untreated become connected to sexual identity issues in puberty & the teen years.
Once a preteen or teen finds sexual fulfillment (linking sexual desire to their gender identity) it becomes much more difficult to overcome the homosexual lifestyle.
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bingbang
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I think this paper is a lot more convincing than the paper you posted:
apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/therapeutic-response.pdf
From this review paper:
We reviewed the limited research on child and
adolescent issues and drew the following conclusions:
There is no research demonstrating that providing
SOCE to children or adolescents has an impact on
adult sexual orientation. The few studies of children
with gender identity disorder found no evidence that
psychotherapy provided to those children had an
impact on adult sexual orientation (R. Green, 1986,
1987; Zucker, 2008; Zucker & Bradley, 1995).
There is currently no evidence that teaching or reinforcing
stereotyped gender-normative behavior in childhood
or adolescence can alter sexual orientation (Mathy
& Drescher, 2008). We are concerned that such
interventions may increase the self-stigma, minority
stress, and ultimately the distress of children and
adolescents. We have serious concerns that the coercive
or involuntary treatment of children or adolescents has
the potential to be harmful and may potentially violate
current clinical and practice guidelines, standards for
ethical practice, and human rights.
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Barbkw
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Page 71 in the footnotes:
“In this report, we define adolescents as individuals between the
ages of 12 and 18 and children as individuals under age 12.”
The CMA supports intervention long before children reach 12 (that’s the 6th grade).
The CMA talks about individual and family intervention Kindergarten through 5th grade), pre puberty.
“In this report, we define adolescents as individuals between the
ages of 12 and 18 and children as individuals under age 12.”
The CMA supports intervention long before children reach 12 (that’s the 6th grade).
The CMA talks about individual and family intervention Kindergarten through 5th grade), pre puberty.
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bingbang
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Read what I just edited into my last post.
We reviewed the limited research on child and
adolescent issues and drew the following conclusions:
There is no research demonstrating that providing
SOCE to children or adolescents has an impact on
adult sexual orientation. The few studies of children
with gender identity disorder found no evidence that
psychotherapy provided to those children had an
impact on adult sexual orientation (R. Green, 1986,
1987; Zucker, 2008; Zucker & Bradley, 1995).
There is currently no evidence that teaching or reinforcing
stereotyped gender-normative behavior in childhood
or adolescence can alter sexual orientation (Mathy
& Drescher, 2008). We are concerned that such
interventions may increase the self-stigma, minority
stress, and ultimately the distress of children and
adolescents. We have serious concerns that the coercive
or involuntary treatment of children or adolescents has
the potential to be harmful and may potentially violate
current clinical and practice guidelines, standards for
ethical practice, and human rights.
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bingbang
Guest
So does the CMA have any research to back up these claims?
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bingbang
Guest
Honestly, all that you have here is that the CMA recommends something that has no actual data to back it up. The data that does exist on the subject contradicts what the CMA says.
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Barbkw
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“We reviewed the limited research on child and adolescent issues and drew the following conclusions:”
Why would there be “limited research” ( because the APA redefined sexual identity disorders to a “disturbance” at the persistance of the homosexual agenda).
Reword gender disorders to a “disturbance” and the state and federal funding for treatment, research and education on child sexual orientation and and the negative effects of homosexuality disappear.
Big “win” for the militant homosexual agenda in their push to use public tax dollars toward public school education of children.
Why would there be “limited research” ( because the APA redefined sexual identity disorders to a “disturbance” at the persistance of the homosexual agenda).
Reword gender disorders to a “disturbance” and the state and federal funding for treatment, research and education on child sexual orientation and and the negative effects of homosexuality disappear.
Big “win” for the militant homosexual agenda in their push to use public tax dollars toward public school education of children.
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Dale_M
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What you quoted doesn’t offer any evidence in support of your claim.
It starts by acknowledging that some parents confuse gender identity with sexual orientation. It then says that parents should promote gender identity congruence in their children. However, the quote offers no indication that gender identity is related to sexual orientation. The quote then hopes the reader will conflate gender identity and sexual orientation by invoking the Catholic Church’s teaching on homosexuality. However, the quote gives no evidence to support the idea that gender identity and sexual orientation are related.
I think what you have quoted is pseudo-science. It tries to wrap itself up in the respectability of science, while avoiding any of the responsibilities. Certainly, it does not show that childhood gender identity is related to adult sexual orientation.
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bingbang
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Their “limited research” is more than your “ZERO research”…as in you have provided absolutely no studies to support your claims.
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Aboveallbereal
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I think it is broadly accepted and broadly true that active male homosexuals have far higher incidence of STD, far lower life expectancy and far higher rates of psychological difficulties than the population at large.
Some of these difficulties are consequent on actions taken, some are probably expressive of the psychological disorders founding the pathology in the first place. Some are probably avoidable. Others not.
In any case I think the proper response if to treat the sick, comfort the dying, embrace the lonely and keep before them the reality that they can free themselves from the phallophilia that is endangering them.
Some of these difficulties are consequent on actions taken, some are probably expressive of the psychological disorders founding the pathology in the first place. Some are probably avoidable. Others not.
In any case I think the proper response if to treat the sick, comfort the dying, embrace the lonely and keep before them the reality that they can free themselves from the phallophilia that is endangering them.
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