Respect does not command truth.Evidence is what I posted already…in that review done by the APA. The group that is actually respected
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What if "gay" men die of AIDS far more than any other group of people?
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A hasty generalization that is incorrect, insulting, and ultimately erodes your credibility.The people that actually care about the end results of these studies are either homosexuals or people that are pro homosexual** and religious people who believe that homosexuality is a sin**.
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A generalization? Yes. But it is just far less incorrect and insulting that everyone that comes to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a disorder is somehow a product of the pro gay movement.A hasty generalization that is incorrect, insulting, and ultimately erodes your credibility.
Find me some psychologists that believe homosexuality is a disorder that aren’t affiliated with some religion that says it is a sin.
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John_Pascendi
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Yes,notice how the ruling class likes to use words for their own agenda…‘gay’ used to mean,a person with a light hearted personality…Lincoln used that expression in a famous speech concerning the lynching of Lovejoy,an anti-slavery hero…‘the sad and the gay etc’…yes and speaking of abuse…lets hear from the defenders of this lifestyle here about the practice of ‘fisting’ …I asked a doctor about this and he admitted its very dangerous and unhealthy…lets all pray for Gods wisdom to help us out here a bit…What was the last year that HIV-AIDS was discussed in the news, it’s as if this deadly disease no longer exists in the homosexual community.
MALE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASE RATES
web.archive.org/web/20010124040800/www.cprmd.org/Myth_Fact_004.htm
Conclusion:
Not only are homosexual men dying at young ages, but the amount of STDs, alcohol and drug abuse can only lead one to believe that the male homosexual lifestyle is anything but “gay”. In fact, if we are truly honest with ourselves, it is sad! Be a true friend to a homosexual, help them escape the “gay” lifestyle before it is too late. Take the path less traveled!
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rossum
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Very weak indeed. Some heterosexuals also indulge in fisting. Are you going to declare all heterosexuals immoral because of the behaviour of a few?and speaking of abuse…lets hear from the defenders of this lifestyle here about the practice of ‘fisting’ …I asked a doctor about this and he admitted its very dangerous and unhealthy…lets all pray for Gods wisdom to help us out here a bit…
Can you really not do any better than this?
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stevejosemkat
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“Gay” men travel to those third world countries looking for cheap sex from boys. So I wouldn’t blame it on heterosexual sex.I’m guessing that these are US-specific statistics. Worldwide - in view of the disease rates in the “third world” - I would think that heterosexually-spread AIDS is an overall larger killer.
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LOL…you realize that not all homosexuals “fist” each other? And you do realize that some heterosexuals do that as well, right?Yes,notice how the ruling class likes to use words for their own agenda…‘gay’ used to mean,a person with a light hearted personality…Lincoln used that expression in a famous speech concerning the lynching of Lovejoy,an anti-slavery hero…‘the sad and the gay etc’…yes and speaking of abuse…lets hear from the defenders of this lifestyle here about the practice of ‘fisting’ …I asked a doctor about this and he admitted its very dangerous and unhealthy…lets all pray for Gods wisdom to help us out here a bit…
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rossum
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Heterosexual men travel to to those same third world countries looking for cheap sex from girls. So I wouldn’t blame it on homosexual sex“Gay” men travel to those third world countries looking for cheap sex from boys. So I wouldn’t blame it on heterosexual sex.
Can’t you come up with an argument that doesn’t fall apart under the weight of its own absurdity? Surely you can do better than this.
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lol, maybe some of these countries, but I have never heard of anyone going to africa to have sex with boys, and africa is undoubtedly where the aids epidemic is the worst.“Gay” men travel to those third world countries looking for cheap sex from boys. So I wouldn’t blame it on heterosexual sex.
And you do realize that if a heterosexual man with aids has sex with a heterosexual woman with aids, the woman will likely contract the disease. Its not like you can’t get aids if you aren’t having gay sex.
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I doubt that they can do better than this because they are somehow blinded by the fact that active homosexuality is a sin according to the church. So they come up with all sorts of arguments about homosexuality and how it isn’t natural, how it is the main cause of the spread of aids, how it is a mental disorder, etc., when in fact none of these things are true and there is a large amount of evidence to support it.Heterosexual men travel to to those same third world countries looking for cheap sex from girls. So I wouldn’t blame it on homosexual sex
Can’t you come up with an argument that doesn’t fall apart under the weight of its own absurdity? ** Surely you can do better than this.**
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So what they do is quote horrible articles written by the religious right that have very little evidence backing them (or no evidence at all) and claim that the great majority of studies and experts on the subjects are somehow in the pockets of the homosexual lobby.
I don’t understand why they can’t just look at the facts and all the research and realize that the fact that homosexuality isn’t a mental disorder and that it isn’t what is causing the aids epidemic doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that the church says it is a sin. If you believe everything the church says, these facts have no bearing on the subject, so why even try to use horrible logic and evidence to back up your opinions?
Logically, homosexuality is not immoral, but the church doesn’t run on logic…it runs on tradition and the bible.
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Does the OP actually have a point to make in calling our attention to an epidemological fact that has been widely known for 29 years now? He either must assume we’re all new immigrants to the planet, or he means to intimate that gays brought HIV on themselves and that it is God’s judgement on them. If that is the intention, he apparently has something to say about blacks too, since they are overwhelmingly the largest group of victims of this virus, and most of them caught it through hetero contact.
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lol, I don’t think that the op ever unveiled the exact point of this thread. I think it is kind of like saying “see, gays get aids, and they get it from sinning, so there.” As someone already said in this thread, what about lesbians? How many of them have aids?Does the OP actually have a point to make in calling our attention to an epidemological fact that has been widely known for 29 years now? He either must assume we’re all new immigrants to the planet, or he means to intimate that gays brought HIV on themselves and that it is God’s judgement on them. If that is the intention, he apparently has something to say about blacks too, since they are overwhelmingly the largest group of victims of this virus, and most of them caught it through hetero contact.
…religious people that believe it is a sin.)
… some religion that says it is a sin.
OK, what specific church are you talking about.I…the church doesn’t run on logic…it runs on tradition and the bible.
You are making statements that are untrue of most christian religions I know.
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John_Pascendi
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…the ulitmate truth is that of living a chaste life…dont be like a barnyard animal…I recall the guys in my barracks going into town on paynite to drink,gamble and buy a whore…many a one came out with the clap,VD etc etc…they were as stupid at the others who can only get turned on by members of the same sex…its all in the lifestyle…pray,work,pray,exercise,pray,eat right,pray,be faithful to ones married partner,pray etc etc. the libertine way of being cool has its price…sad but true…and finally ,look both ways when one comes to an intersection!..The Rock Hudson disease is no joke…lets all pray for those suffering …Correct. The largest group dying of AIDS are heterosexual women in Africa. The second largest group is heterosexual men in Africa.
I do not think that there is a moral argument to be made here, unless it is that the rules of morality need to be different in the US from the rules in Africa.
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Except you don’t want to allow gays to even have married partners since you are presumably against gay marriage. How can they be faithful to a married partner if you won’t let them marry? Even when gays were allowed to marry in California the Catholic Church worked to withdraw that ability.be faithful to ones married partner
You really need to look at what you are posting more carefully first.
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Gay people are just as free to marry as straight.Except you don’t want to allow gays to even have married partners since you are presumably against gay marriage. How can they be faithful to a married partner if you won’t let them marry?
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Dale_M
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Yes, that is true in 10 countries: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain and Sweden. Other countries make it more difficult, for example, some states of the US allow gay marriage, but most do not. Or in Mexico, gay marriage is recognized across the nation, but only conducted in Mexico City.Gay people are just as free to marry as straight.
Gay people are just as free to marry as straight.
No, you misunderstand.Yes, that is true in 10 countries: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain and Sweden. Other countries make it more difficult, for example, some states of the US allow gay marriage, but most do not. Or in Mexico, gay marriage is recognized across the nation, but only conducted in Mexico City.
Gay people have the same freedoms that straight people have.
The fact that they wish to do something outside of what is acceptable with these freedoms is irrelevent.
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So if you were forced to marry someone of the wrong sex for you would you be faithful to that partner? Get real here.Gay people are just as free to marry as straight.
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything.So if you were forced to marry someone of the wrong sex for you would you be faithful to that partner? Get real here.
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If your wants fall outside legal boundaries, then they fall outside those boundaries.
It does not alter the fact that the same rights are there for all.
As are the same restrictions.
Gay people have the same right to marry as anyone else.
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