So is that what “traditional Catholics” are seeking? Their own suri juris church? And if they cannot have that, at least their own (in this case) liturgical RITE? They’re not satisfied with being Latin Rite Catholics in the Western Half of the Church? (Your distinction between “Latin Rite” and “Roman Rite” does not exist. There is a Western, or if you must, Latin/Roman Church.)
Where do you come up with this stuff?
No one I know wants a suri juris Church. No one wants to be removed from the Partrarch of the West (though the Pope doesn’t use that title anymore since Benedict XVI).
To become a “Suri juris Church” there would need to be the creation of a new patriarch or Major Archibishop. I have never heard anyone propose such a crazy thing.
We are all members of the LATIN CHURCH.
And for your information, there is no such thing as a singular Latin Rite, that is a mistake common in the English speaking world. All of the Rites I posted in my previous post are Latin Rite, but they are not all Roman Rite. For example, The Rite of Braga is Latin Rite, but not Roman Rite. Same with the Ambrosian Rite, it is a Latin Rite, but not Roman Rite.
In the Latin Church, only the Roman Rite (Ordinary Form, Anglican Use and Zaire Use) is allowed in a language other than Latin. All the other Latin Rites are prayed in Latin.
The Latin Church (also called the Western Church) is comprised of the Latin Rite family of Rites. The Roman Rite is simply one of the Latin Rites (though it is the one used 99% of the time)
The rite celebrated at almost every Roman Catholic parish is the “Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite”
It is not the “Ordinary Form of the Latin Rite”
The only thing some are asking for is the use of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.
As FYI - In England, there were hopes that the Bishops would be able to continue to force 1 mass each Sunday to be in Latin. But Paul IV refused to allow the Bishops to force it upon the parishes, instead he allowed an “exception,” which was nicknamed the Agatha Christi exception because Agatha Christie - who wasn’t Catholic - signed a petition, with Jewish Rabbis and many English authors, asking the Pope to insure the Latin Mass would not totally disappear. Agatha Christie was one of Pope Paul VI’s favorite authors, so her signature got his attention - hence the nickname.
Point is - the only thing devotees of the Latin mass are asking for is access to the Latin mass.
Yes, there are some who think the new mass is not as faithful, but that’s wrong and those people may or may not be heretics.
But the vast majority of people who like the Latin Mass simply want to pray with Gregorian Chant and feel like they are in a medieval monastery once a week. Or they just want a break from the modern Church music and would prefer to hear Canon In D.
I honestly fail to understand why some people vilify people who prefer Latin … just like I can’t understand why some people vilify people who prefer the vernacular.
As I have said time after time… if every parish had at least one Sunday Mass preformed like the Mass at EWTN, most would be happy (except the heretics).
