What is a considered a Traditional Catholic

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Apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saints are in the realm of private revelation, not public revelation. If the Church has deemed them worthy of belief, then we Catholics should certainly show respect for them. However they are not revealed dogma and do not form part of the deposit of faith. That is the teaching of Holy Mother Church .No private revelation is necessary for salvation.

**Catechism of the Catholic Church: **

66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
 
Cat said:
I wish you lived near me, because you would enjoy interacting with the practicing Catholics who are NOT traditionalists in my parish. You would see that many of them are quite faithful in their devotion to Mary, and have such an enthusiastic love for her that it is contagious! The Legion of Mary is strong in our parish. We just finished celebrating the Month of May, Mary’s month, and did several ceremonies to honor the Blessed Mother, including a May Crowning.

My daughter is a Catholic who does not consider herself a tradtionalist. She is also a convert, and her devotion to Mary is fervent.

As for Fatima, our parish has often presented various Fatima exhibits, and quite a crowd of Catholics from the parish show up. My husband and I have a stained glass of Fatima (the three children and the Blessed Mother) in our home. In our Apologetics Class, we learned all about Fatima.
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Sounds awesome!
And frankly, I can’t believe that someone would ascribe an unhealthy indulgence in smoking to religious motivations. Does everyone realize that pipe smokers can contract various forms of mouth cancer and occasionally have to have portions of the mouth, jaw, and sometimes their tongue removed surgically?
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Yeah. I don’t agree with that.
 
wasserfall said:
Sometimes I feel like I ought to take up smoking just to fit in with the traditional crowd…

JUST KIDDING! :D:D
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I really don’t know where this tobacco thing comes from. Maybe some Catholics who were around pre-Vatican II can share. 🙂

Adhering to tradition doesn’t mean we have to adhere to medical fallacies. Didn’t doctors at one point used to recommend smoking as something that was good for you?
 
TrueLight said:
I really don’t know where this tobacco thing comes from. Maybe some Catholics who were around pre-Vatican II can share. 🙂

Adhering to tradition doesn’t mean we have to adhere to medical fallacies. Didn’t doctors at one point used to recommend smoking as something that was good for you?
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Yes there is even a British advert from the 40s in which, during World War II, a pretty young woman goes to her doctor and tells him that she is suffering from headaches and feeling tired all the time. He asks her, ever so sympathetically, if she is a busy mother and wife. She answers yes. He says that she must be suffering from stress. “You need something that will came you right down dear”. She begs him, “Oh Doctor, what can I do?” He winks at her, ducks below his desk and comes out with a cigarette packet. The woman looks on with wide-eyed goey awe, as he takes it out, sticks one in his mouth, lights it and then offers one too her with the words, “Have a fag honey”.

Then words flash up in white telling housewives that they must smoke to calm their nerves 😃
 
Vouthon said:
Yes there is even a British advert from the 40s in which, during World War II, a pretty young woman goes to her doctor and tells her that she is suffering from headaches and feeling tired all the time. He asks her, ever so ympathetically, if she is a busy mother and wife. She answers yes. He says that she must be suffering from stress. “You need something that you will came you right down dear”. She begs him, “Oh Doctor, what can I do?” He winks at her, ducks below his desk and comes out with a cigarette packet. The woman looks on with wide-eyed goey awe, as he takes it out, sticks one in his mouth, lights it and then offers one too her with the words, “Have a fag honey”.

Then words flash up in white telling housewives that they must smoke to calm their nerves 😃
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:eek:

Oh my goodness! LOL.
 
TrueLight said:
:eek:

Oh my goodness! LOL.
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I watched this advert back in my schooldays, in history class and was literally :eek:

It was hilarious, to our modern eyes but also very disturbing and shocking. 😦

I don’t know if the advert is representative of medical knowledge in the 40s or if it was simply common, public perception. You see the government wanted people to drink and smoke to get the public through the war and lift their mood 😃
 
I find the tobacco reference strange too… maybe it was written to add some vintage feel or something?

And yes, I know many non-traditionalist Catholics that do various things described in the article.

Maybe, a better definition would be this one, from the same article:
A traditional Catholic is someone that views the traditions of the Church not just as an optional extra to Catholicism but praciticing our faith and living our lives with the wisom passed on from our fathers in faith is a necessary and intrinsic part of Catholicism.
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Of course, falling away from the infallible teachings of the Church is worse than falling away from the practices of the Church, but there is the idea that being a Catholic is not just about believing as the Church has believed but is also about worshipping God in the way the Church has passed down to us.
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Tradition is a living thing that evoles (sic), the way we practice our faith evolves but this evolution must take place with respect to what has gone before us and must build on it.
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Blessings!

🙂
 
Cat said:
. I know many many Catholics who attend the OF Mass who do all of the things that the author says that traditionalists do; e.g., study, read, pray, confess, etc. And I also know many many fundamentalist Protestants who do many of the things (non-religious) on that list.

And frankly, I can’t believe that someone would ascribe an unhealthy indulgence in smoking to religious motivations. Does everyone realize that pipe smokers can contract various forms of mouth cancer and occasionally have to have portions of the mouth, jaw, and sometimes their tongue removed surgically?

I think that ByzCath is largely in the right. Tear down these walls.
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I think the walls should go, also. We are Catholics. And the smoking thing, yuck. I don’t own a live chicken either, even though I live in the country. I don’t see how a chicken has anything to do with one following Catholic traditions or not. 🤷🙂
CesarAugustus said:
I find the tobacco reference strange too… maybe it was written to add some vintage feel or something?

And yes, I know many non-traditionalist Catholics that do various things described in the article.

Maybe, a better definition would be this one, from the same article:
A traditional Catholic is someone that views the traditions of the Church not just as an optional extra to Catholicism but praciticing our faith and living our lives with the wisom passed on from our fathers in faith is a necessary and intrinsic part of Catholicism.
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I think you are right, that is a much better definition. I like that much better.

Blessings.
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Thank you guys so much for the lessons and laughs. I feel spiritually feed here.👍
 
One who adheres to traditional doctrine, views the Traditional Mass as inherently superior to the Novus Ordo, and shuns novelty. That would be the most simple definition in my opinion.
 
Hey, Jillian, if you’re okay with this ramblin’ discussion and feel like you are getting things answered you needed, then that’s okay by me!

Do you guys know lots of Catholics aren’t even aware of these differences going on? Or don’t realize the seriousness being placed on these differences? Yet they are going to Mass, doing Eucharistic Adoration, praying the rosary, doing good works, dying to self, obeying the Church teachings, practicing and praying Divine Mercy etc, on a daily basis. Do you care if others know this stuff or not? Still waiting for an answer on where the terminology started…does anyone know? If you are trying to convert folks to a particular point of view you need to be able to “evangelize” your opinion outside of your own circle. If you believe you are right, then you should want to draw others into the truth, not remain an exclusive group. Do you consider this a movement within the Church? Help me, I’m trying to understand…
 
ImmaculataFides said:
views the Traditional Mass as inherently superior to the Novus Ordo
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One who does this separates themsevles from the mind of the Church which states that neither form of the Mass, Extraordinary/Ordinary, is superior.

One form may be superior to you personally (subjectively) but objectively either is for everyone.
 
ImmaculataFides said:
One who adheres to traditional doctrine, views the Traditional Mass as inherently superior to the Novus Ordo, and shuns novelty. That would be the most simple definition in my opinion.
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I think prefers the Traditional Mass to the Novus Ordo would be a more accurate, fair, non argumentative and charitable way to put it.
Excuse me sir, but your bias is showing. With slant like that You should be a reporter for the mainstream media.😉
 
Cat said:
After reading through this article (I’ve seen it before), I think that it describes many fundmentalist Protestants.

There are quite a few things in the assessment that are just plain wrong. I know many many Catholics who attend the OF Mass who do all of the things that the author says that traditionalists do; e.g., study, read, pray, confess, etc. And I also know many many fundamentalist Protestants who do many of the things (non-religious) on that list.

And frankly, I can’t believe that someone would ascribe an unhealthy indulgence in smoking to religious motivations. Does everyone realize that pipe smokers can contract various forms of mouth cancer and occasionally have to have portions of the mouth, jaw, and sometimes their tongue removed surgically?

I think that ByzCath is largely in the right. Tear down these walls.
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After thinking about this thread, I agree. Those things don’t necessarily mean Catholic. Protestants are fighting the same issues. How many times do you pass a protestant church and see the sign that says, “Traditional Service 8AM, Contemporary Service 11AM”, so maybe a part of this is a battle against modernism and it is found in more places than just the Catholic church.

I, also, after reading peoples answers here believe a traditional is one who prefers (or believes are essential) the EF, or a reverent “traditional” OF, traditional prayers, liturgy, music and various other lost traditions.

I, also agree we are Catholic and should tear down the walls. One of the big reasons many people return or come home to the Catholic faith is its oneness and we should work hard to maintain that. Part of that is praying for the Church and our priests so that they and others will be obedient to the magisterium and pray for the Pope as he does his best to try and lead us. 🙂 Just a thought.
 
Hi,
I’m 24 and I consider myself a traditional Catholic. I think it has more to do with our attitude to our faith than anything else.

I don’t really think the terms conservative or liberal Catholic fit. I think as a traditional Catholic I try to incorporate my faith into my life, make the Gospel relevant in how I live and *make Jesus No. 1 * in my life.

I’ve never been to Latin Mass & was born years after Vatican II.

(personally I think Vatican II was widely misrepresented & misinterpreted but lets not get into that… 😃 )

I think that’s all there is to it - A traditional Catholic is merely one who takes their faith seriously, lives it and has a relationship with Jesus that they try to put first in life.

God Bless
 
It seems to me that “True Devotion to Mary” has been elevated to the status of scripture or Church dogma. Is that how development of doctrine works?

I love Teresian spirituality and she is a Doctor of the Church, but does that mean her description of the “Interior Castle” is scripture? Will I fault someone if they adopt another Catholic spirituality?

So because one Saint wrote about the True Consecration to Mary, is that dogma? Must anyone who has a devotion to Mary do a True Consecration? Are they doing something wrong if they do not?

I don’t think because a Saint’s writings is pronounced well and good means that folks have to treat it like the deposit of faith.
 
ByzCath said:
One who does this separates themsevles from the mind of the Church which states that neither form of the Mass, Extraordinary/Ordinary, is superior.
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Please supply a magisterial document which states this.
 
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