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Anna_Scott
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Is there a way to get out of Hell, once you are sent there?Hell is a place where souls go after death who have died in the state of actual mortal sin. St Faustina was shown a vision of Hell, where she described seven tortures:
The amount of suffering a soul undergoes is determined by God’s mercy - it depends on the gravity of their sins. Therefore no two souls in Hell undergo exactly the same sufferings.
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NotTooSmart
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There are Scriptures that indicate hell is eternal torment.
However you have to balance these Scriptures out with the character of God as revealed in Scripture. I have to ask myself at what point am I making God to be a sadist which he certainly is not. He certainly is just, but he certainly is not cruel and is not sadistic.
Therefore I voted hell as eternal separation from God. Whatever torments exist in hell I believe to be a natural consequence of this separation, not of a sadistic God who delights in suffering.
This view of hell in my mind best balances the justice of God and the character of God as revealed in Scripture.
However you have to balance these Scriptures out with the character of God as revealed in Scripture. I have to ask myself at what point am I making God to be a sadist which he certainly is not. He certainly is just, but he certainly is not cruel and is not sadistic.
Therefore I voted hell as eternal separation from God. Whatever torments exist in hell I believe to be a natural consequence of this separation, not of a sadistic God who delights in suffering.
This view of hell in my mind best balances the justice of God and the character of God as revealed in Scripture.
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Janet1983
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No. There is no way to get out of hell…Is there a way to get out of Hell, once you are sent there?
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Anna_Scott
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Anna_Scott
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Many years ago, a friend of mine told me she read a book (wish I could remember title and author) that said those who are sent to Hell suffer according to theirs sins. After they pay the price for their sins, they are annihilated.
Has anyone heard of this doctrine or where it originated?
This doctrine is the reason I listed Purgatory/Temporal Punishment as options. It was pointed out earlier that this is not Hell.
Purgatory is the only doctrine I am aware of, that has to do with any kind temporary punishment.
Anna
Has anyone heard of this doctrine or where it originated?
This doctrine is the reason I listed Purgatory/Temporal Punishment as options. It was pointed out earlier that this is not Hell.
Purgatory is the only doctrine I am aware of, that has to do with any kind temporary punishment.
Anna
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2nd_Adam
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Well, not if you have friends that are of the Mormon religion.No. There is no way to get out of hell…
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2nd_Adam
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I believe this too. There are degrees of suffering since justice is being served.Hell is a place where souls go after death who have died in the state of actual mortal sin. St Faustina was shown a vision of Hell, where she described seven tortures:
The amount of suffering a soul undergoes is determined by God’s mercy - it depends on the gravity of their sins. Therefore no two souls in Hell undergo exactly the same sufferings.
Zebedee
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2nd_Adam
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What is your view about the wrath of God being poured out on sinners in Hell?There are Scriptures that indicate hell is eternal torment.
However you have to balance these Scriptures out with the character of God as revealed in Scripture. I have to ask myself at what point am I making God to be a sadist which he certainly is not. He certainly is just, but he certainly is not cruel and is not sadistic.
Therefore I voted hell as eternal separation from God. Whatever torments exist in hell I believe to be a natural consequence of this separation, not of a sadistic God who delights in suffering.
This view of hell in my mind best balances the justice of God and the character of God as revealed in Scripture.
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2nd_Adam
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The most solid and gifted Christian teacher that I know who believes in the unorthodox view of annihiation is John Stott.Many years ago, a friend of mine told me she read a book (wish I could remember title and author) that said those who are sent to Hell suffer according to theirs sins. After they pay the price for their sins, they are annihilated.
Has anyone heard of this doctrine or where it originated?
This doctrine is the reason I listed Purgatory/Temporal Punishment as options. It was pointed out earlier that this is not Hell.
Purgatory is the only doctrine I am aware of, that has to do with any kind temporary punishment.
Anna
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Janet1983
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Mormon doctrine does not affect the truth however… (And I have friends that are Mormon and I did not even have to say these things out loud to get them upset… I was told to never mention the topic religion again.)Well, not if you have friends that are of the Mormon religion.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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The Catechism mentions the “punishments of hell” (eternal fire) and goes on to say that the chief punishment of hell (meaning more than one) is the separation from God in whom alone man can possess life and happiness.I’m still a bit confused about the Catholic beliefs on hell. You mentioned both eternal fire and separation from God.
Do those condemned to Hell suffer the physical torment of eternal fire?
I am more concerned, first and foremost, with the eternal separation part, ie the “chief punishment” of hell.
God bless
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NotTooSmart
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That it is a passive not active pouring out of the wrath of God.What is your view about the wrath of God being poured out on sinners in Hell?
In other words, God is not sitting up in heaven as the eternal torturer-in-chief tormenting the souls in hell for eternity (let me send some more flames down there to torture these poor souls some more). That is sadistic. If torture is wrong from a human perspective, it is wrong from God’s perspective. God is not sadistic.
Instead, the eternal separation from God is and fulfills His just wrath.
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2nd_Adam
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I’m just kidding in regards to LDS Christians. I guess we are both Reformed Christians since you have mentioned Jonathan Edwards. I’m padeo baptist reformed too.Mormon doctrine does not affect the truth however… (And I have friends that are Mormon and I did not even have to say these things out loud to get them upset… I was told to never mention the topic religion again.)
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2nd_Adam
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Do you believe God poured out His wrath (active) on Christ (passive) at Calvary for the sins of those who would believe? If so, doesn’t God have to actively punish the sins of the unbeliever in the same degree that He did with Jesus Christ for believers?That it is a passive not active pouring out of the wrath of God.
In other words, God is not sitting up in heaven as the eternal torturer-in-chief tormenting the souls in hell for eternity (let me send some more flames down there to torture these poor souls some more). That is sadistic. If torture is wrong from a human perspective, it is wrong from God’s perspective. God is not sadistic.
Instead, the eternal separation from God is and fulfills His just wrath.
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GeorgeSword
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Eternal torment created by separation from God.
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Anna_Scott
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RomanCatholic:The Catechism mentions the “punishments of hell” (eternal fire) and goes on to say that the chief punishment of hell (meaning more than one) is the separation from God in whom alone man can possess life and happiness.
I am more concerned, first and foremost, with the eternal separation part, ie the “chief punishment” of hell.
God bless
Thanks for the clarification of Catholic Doctrine.
Anna
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NotTooSmart
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What do you mean that God poured out His wrath (active) on Christ (passive) at Calvary.Do you believe God poured out His wrath (active) on Christ (passive) at Calvary for the sins of those who would believe? If so, doesn’t God have to actively punish the sins of the unbeliever in the same degree that He did with Jesus Christ for believers?
What specifically did God do in addition to give His Son over to be crucified. Please be specific.
I have heard it said that God poured out His wrath on Christ at Calvary, but I have a hard time visualizing what it exactly is that God did other than (1) giving His Son over to man for crucifixion (2) separating His Son from His presence.
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Anna_Scott
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Eternal separation from God seems to be in the lead at this point.
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Janet1983
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Just a few questions:Eternal torment created by separation from God.
How can God be omnipresent if He is not present in hell?
How can God be omniscient if He is not present in hell and fully aware of what the results and just sentence for defying Him looks like?
How can God be omnipotent if He cannot punish and fulfill eternal justice where justice is due?
PS: My signature is an excerpt of a sermon given by Johnathan Edwards about “Sinners in the hand of an angry God” and thereby about hell…
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