What is more Christian -socialism or Capitalism?

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Wrong. Automating just elemenates the need to concentrate human capital in a particular industry. It doesn’t not necessarily create the need for fewer workers overall in a general economy.

Again, look at agriculture. It’s a perfect example.
 
I’ll be sure to tell the folks that were laid off at the lumber mill when they introduced the new automated saw, or the guys from the king g factory that had similar happen. I mean if they could afford to uproot their whole family and somehow afford to also train in an unknown field maybe this would be true.
 
Alex337 said:
I’ll be sure to tell the folks that were laid off at the lumber mill when they introduced the new automated saw, or the guys from the king g factory that had similar happen. I mean if they could afford to uproot their whole family and somehow afford to also train in an unknown field maybe this would be true.
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Capitalism creates new jobs. The lumber mill might close but the computer industry will create new jobs. We can’t prevent technological development in order to save jobs. We need to use technology and create new jobs. Win Win.
 
I’m not saying some individuals Aren’t displaced, but it’s an overall economic benefit that sometimes take a generation or two to smooth out. Sucks for them but it creates more good overall. You can’t habe your cake and eat it too.
 
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I’ll be sure to tell the folks that were laid off at the lumber mill when they introduced the new automated saw, or the guys from the king g factory that had similar happen. I mean if they could afford to uproot their whole family and somehow afford to also train in an unknown field maybe this would be true.
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Capitalism creates new jobs. The lumber mill might close but the computer industry will create new jobs. We can’t prevent technological development in order to save jobs. We need to use technology and create new jobs. Win Win.
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I’ll step away as I have a bias in this. I came from a rural town, I left but simply put; computer jobs aren’t going there and most people are stuck in a hideous position.

Their only capital is their family home, so if they move they lose that (And it will sell for far lower than a place in a city or more prosperous town where they would need to go for a job). There’s not much opportunity to retrain and even if there were there are hardly any jobs left.

No where in this thread did I say to stop technology; I said we needed to work on how it integrates with society so these ghost towns don’t happen. And right now we’re no good at it.
 
Alex337 said:
I’ll step away as I have a bias in this. I came from a rural town, I left but simply put; computer jobs aren’t going there and most people are stuck in a hideous position.
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It’s horrible when an industry dies because the community often dies with it. People literally lose their identity when their livelihood goes away. However, sometimes industries simply aren’t profitable or sustainable. The world moves on and people have to adapt or die. I remember when I first read Think and Grow Rich. Napoleon Hill talks about the Great Depression and how every misfortune carries with it the seed of an opportunity. People just need to find the opportunities and have the courage to take them. There is always a good or a service that can be sold on the market.
 
There’s no room for sentimentality when we’re discussing economic policy that impacts billions of people. We have to make the decisions that will contribute to the most good with the least harm. And unfortunately there’s not a way to cause no harm in this world.
 
Yes, but that’s why we need to manage it better. Which is what I said.
 
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I worry that our current form of capitalism doesn’t cope well with our technology level.
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This here. And it doesn’t. Capitalism with our current technology level leads to ghost towns. What we need to the ability to train these folks up, to offer them the ability to do so in their town rather than force them to move with the whim of business.

There’s the added issue in Aus that many rural communities also have indigenous people whose history is the land. Moving them is not a great idea and leads to problems (I remember the Sydney Olympics when we resettled groups of folks for that, it had problems).

So yes, modern capitalism is not dealing with this problem well.
 
That’s nothing new. After the fall of the Roman Empire people fled the cities to rural areas. After the rise of European kingdoms people started moving back into the cities. Human history is a long tale of people moving back and forth where they can make the best living, this is nothing new.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
That’s nothing new. After the fall of the Roman Empire people fled the cities to rural areas. After the rise of European kingdoms people started moving back into the cities. Human history is a long tale of people moving back and forth where they can make the best living, this is nothing new.
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In this context it is. And capitalism isn’t coping well with it, we need to provide more opportunities for these people.
 
To the contrary, these people need to seek out new opportunities for themselves.
 
This will force families to uproot, which for many is not an economic reality, and also destroy indigenous tribal communities.
 
Europeans uprooted themselves and colonized entire continents. People just need to toughen up and understand you have to make great sacrifices for great gains.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Europeans uprooted themselves and colonized entire continents. People just need to toughen up and understand you have to make great sacrifices for great gains.
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I fear this doesn’t really understand indigenous needs and the history of uprooting our indigenous folks, this kind of thing destroys culture that are already on the edge. It’s not as simple as you make out.

Technology and industry should work for humanity, not the reverse.
 
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You’re assuming all cultures are worth preserving.
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Some cultures are totally garbage. Any culture that is not based on Christianity is seriously deficient and would benefit by Gospel-inspired change. People say that we must safeguard indigenous peoples; I say we have to convert indigenous peoples and give them the gifts of science, technology and modern medicine.
 
It’s a good thing the early church didn’t think that way or we’d have never converted pagans from their ancestral religion and built the modern world.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
It’s a good thing the early church didn’t think that way or we’d have never converted pagans from their ancestral religion and built the modern world.
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So. Because of this mentality we had the Stolen Generation and the genocide of the Tasmanian tribes. Not a thing I’ll be supporting. I think we’re done here.
 
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