What is really Pro-Life?

[EvangelistVictor]

It does make voting way easier on my conscience if the abortion issue is largely off the table

Thats the way I see it as off the table now as law of the land. Prayer and Evangelization is our greatest weapons left.

Imagine if millions of Catholics were on fire for Christ, going door to door sharing about how Christ died for their sins. We could lessen the blow of abortion. I myself haven’t Evangelized in 10+ years, since I was with the Pentecostals. I’ve been restoring my faith these past few months. No excuse’s for me though.

 

[robertlnorman]

An AR-15 is NOT a fully automatic weapon. If you aren’t going to own guns, please at least educate yourself about the very basics.

 

[robertlnorman]

So any semi-automatic then?

 

[robertlnorman]

Ok, but that is already the case. There are lots of weapons only used by the military and barred for private ownership.

 

[RCIAGraduate]

That’s horrible to hear, they’re going too far (especially for liberals who are suppose to hold freedom as an ideal), I hope the situation changes for the better.

 

[RCIAGraduate]

I’m not the most informed about the issue but I believe fully-automatic guns have such restrictions, that said semi-automatics seem more common than one would think (and it appears the vast majority are law-abiding folks). There’s the question of fairness for them as well.

Pardon if I derailed the thread.

 

[Augustinian]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on this issue. But there are different pro-life people with different views on gun control, as well as a lot of other issues. Bringing up gun control- or welfare benefits- or scores of other items in the context of “pro-life” just takes the focus off of abortion, alienates some pro-life allies and makes successes less likely

 

[dallas_r]

Pro-Life means protecting children at schools from Gun violence. (What is being done to stop this NRA?)

You should really tell the parents of school shooters this. It is the parents fault for making their guns accessible to minors. It’s not “blame the NRA for everything that involves guns”, it’s blame the idiots who treat their guns like a toy. Many friends of mine carry their guns all the time, they don’t pop out and shoot someone.

Pro-Life means not enabling guns to be available to everybody. Guns ownership takes great responsibility, but many don’t lock them up safely, or there can be a mental breakdown, etc…

Guns, by right, are available to all who qualify. While I am for tighter regulations, there are always going to be accidents and lax gun owners. Simply taking away guns is not the problem, our boarders are over flowing with tens of thousands of illegal firearms which are used in 90% of crime. In addition, there will always be more ways domestic terrorists will strike, with knives, home made bombs, and more. Plus, if there is a terrorist with an illegal gun, how are the citizens who are unarmed supposed to defend themselves?

Otherwise, I agree with the stuff you said.

 

[Augustinian]

Lets say we were somehow we were able to stop abortion, conservatives Rebulicans will still not want any of the social issues on my list.

You are undoubtably right.

But if you were able to confiscate firearms, and achieve other social issues, you’d never get leftist Democrats to agree to any restrictions whatsoever on the abortion industry.

 

[Sean77]

In answer to your post:

For me, Pro-Life really means protecting all of Gods children, for we are created in the image of God

- Agree.

Pro-Life stands up for unborn babies in the womb. We are their voices.

- Agree

Pro-Life stands up for children after their born. Meaning, protecting their rights, even when the government says they have no rights. (Separating children from their families, etc.)

- Agree, but not on your example. One does not have the right to violate civil law or criminal law. When one does so they subject themselves to the authority of the state and forfeit their rights. Also, see the DHS Heads explanation of the policy for further understanding.

Pro-Life means protecting children at schools from Gun violence. (What is being done to stop this NRA?)

- Agree. Punish the offenders. To my knowledge the NRA has never participated in a school shooting and offers countless firearms safety courses.

Pro-Life means stopping the death penalty. Who are we to play God, especially if a person has been innocently convicted!

- Disagree. God instituted the death penalty. We you ask who are we, we are those that God has appointed as stewards and commanded to punish murder with the death penalty by His word. Apparently God takes seriously the offense of murder.

Pro-Life means helping the poor that really need help. Letting people starve and be homeless is not Pro-Life. Cutting off welfare programs to those really in need.

- Agree. However, we could argue on what is the most effective means of providing for those who are incapable of providing for themselves.

Pro-Life means being anti-war unless there’s an immediate real threat to our survival. Haven’t seen this since the cold war.

- Agree somewhat. No decision to go to war should be taken lightly.

Pro-Life means not enabling guns to be available to everybody. Guns ownership takes great responsibility, but many don’t lock them up safely, or there can be a mental breakdown, etc…

- Agree somewhat. Obviously some people should be disqualified from gun ownership; however, that doesn’t mean the rights of the many should be forfeit for the sins of the few.

Pro-Life is giving people a livable wage when a company can afford to, instead of hoarding millions and billions. How many billions do you need to be happy you wealthy?

- Agree. However, wages are dictated by skills, experience, and market value. It is what it is. Don’t want to make minimum wage, make wise decisions to have advanced skills and education.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

Don’t want to make minimum wage, make wise decisions to have advanced skills and education

I agree 100% brother. So lets give free University for all to make this happen!

 

[Augustinian]

I agree 100% brother. So lets give free University for all to make this happen

Not everyone needs to go to the university.

Floors still need mopped, drinks need served, streets need swept, and shoes need fixed.

Having legions of university trained janitors, bartenders, street sweepers and cobblers isn’t helpful.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

Not everyone needs to go to the university.

Floors still need mopped, drinks need served, streets need swept, and shoes need fixed.

Having legions of university trained janitors, bartenders, street sweepers and cobblers isn’t helpful.

Very true. But at least for those who do desire it at least then.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

Well if anything good can come from evil, looks like there’s a chance that Roe vs Wade can be overturned if Trump picks two ultra conservative justices. Though the news commentators said its extremely rare for justices to overturn previous decisions. Interesting times ahead for sure.

 

[Augustinian]

Very true. But at least for those who do desire it at least then.

Who wouldn’t desire it? Free university education would get those places packed.

I finished in 4 years, back in 1979, because I was paying for it.

 

[Ignatius64869]

I finished in 4 years, back in 1979, because I was paying for it.

I finished in three and a half years in 2015 because I worked hard. I wouldn’t have finished any faster if I were paying for it with cash. I still owed $30,000 at graduation, and I received the highest academic scholarship my university offered. Things have changed since 1979. My mom started grade school and tuition has gone way up. My tuition cost $40,000 a year, and that did not include living expenses. Granted, I went to a private Catholic university so free public college would not have helped me anyway, but tuition is way more expensive now than it was in 1979, and I do not know many college kids capable of raking in 40,000 a year while also taking 18 credits per semester. Maybe they are out there, but considering that I, as a full-time teacher with two master’s degrees, do not make that now, I cannot image there are too many of them out there.

Okay, now I am done with CAF, but boy is it somewhat addicting, especially when I get emails.

 

[Sean77]

I agree 100% brother. So lets give free University for all to make this happen!

I don’t work for free, so I would never compel someone else to do so. College costs money. Someone has to pay the tab one way or another.

 

[Sean77]

It is pretty much established case law. It would be surprising if they overturned Roe Vs. Wade, although it is my sincere prayer that they do so. My guess is that we may be able to limit and put restrictions on this new found “right” the founding fathers never remotely considered as a right. If it saves lives, I am for it.

 

[Shakuhachi]

What will become of the “Pro-Life” if Roe v Wade is overturned? Will it ebb into non existence or focus on other issues?

 

[EvangelistVictor]

What will become of the “Pro-Life” if Roe v Wade is overturned? Will it ebb into non existence or focus on other issues?

What some are saying is what will probably happen is a new case will be seen by the Supreme Court challenging it, then will send it back to individual states to decide who will keep abortion. So each state will have to make a law on it.