What is so wrong with gay people?

[chessnerd321]

if god is so accepting is loving, and if he knew gay people would be a thing, why did he tell people to write it in the bible? did he purposely want to make gay people feel awful of themselves?

First, I’ll affirm what others have said that there is nothing. NOTHING sinful about “being gay.” God does not hate you for being gay, and neither do Catholics, when we’re at our best.

That said, the church holds all of its members to a very high standard of chastity, meaning using sex properly. Sex must always be 1) unitive (be an expression of genuine love between two people), 2) procreative (have the possibility in resulting in a baby), and 3) in the context of marriage. All three conditions must be met in every sexual act, and are applied to any sexual act. Masturbation is wrong because it violates all three. A married couple using contraception is wrong because it violates 2). A cohabitating and committed couple having sex is wrong because it violates 3).

Why then are homosexual relations wrong? Well, there’s no reason it couldn’t be unitive, that’s out. But can homosexual relations ever result in a baby? No, they cannot. Thus the very thing for which sex was created is being frustrated. In the same say a married couple using contraception is wrong, so it goes with homosexual relations. So ask yourself, is the church really singling out gay people, or is it applying a well-thought-out theology of the body (sex) to all persons equally?

I won’t deny that sometimes the Church has focused too much on calling out homosexual relations given that it is just one of many many sexual sins. And I understand why you might interpret that as hatred, but you are welcome here. As Bishop Barron says, the Church is radical in its demands–those 3 pesky rules are hard!–We all fail one way or another. However the Church is also radical in her mercy. Through confession she is always willing to forgive us, pick us up, and with her intercession and sacraments, send us on our way.

 

[brit_2911]

I have been working on this lately. There is no blanket condemnation of all homosexuality in the bible. In fact, there is zero mention of any gay couple who are in love and devoted to each other. It is perhaps that last great prejudice that has survived for thousands of years. What you need to ask yourself is if you are gay because you have a gay friend you are truly in love with, or is your gay identity focused only on sex for the sake of sex? If the former, have no fear of God or His love for you and your partner. If the latter, then you will have much soul searching to do.

Actually, acting on homosexual desires is directly condemned in Scripture… you are very confused.

 

[brit_2911]

Friend, this forum is not a place for you to get your answers. You need to talk directly to a priest. Even a few. They will love you and help you find peace. You are only going to confuse yourself listening to a billion different views of homosexuality on here with people who misinterpret the correct teaching. You can trust Mother Church. Look to the Catechism, and ask your spiritual directors who have experience in studying this topic thoroughly. You don’t even have to say you struggle with this. Just ask them about the topic, as it is a popular one. Tell them your concerns and they will explain. Until then, I strongly advise you to run far away from these forums. God bless you, @estevansilva!

P.S. I’d like to add, God did not make you gay. The desires are a part of the fall. I’m sorry that’s a cross you have to carry. We’re here to bear it with you in love! Praying for you.

 

[brit_2911]

@mrsdizzyd I recently replied to one of your posts, because I thought you were agreeing with him. I re-read it and see what you were saying now! I agree with you. Sorry about that!

 

[Cruciferi]

Uh, God doesn’t hate homosexuals. The inclination isn’t sinful. You’re called to a life of chastity just like unmarried heterosexuals.

 

[Cruciferi]

 

[semper_catholicus]

BYou’re conflating two things which are separate issues:

1: the inclination

2: acting on the inclination

It’s sinful for unmarried single people to act on their sexual inclinations as well as it is for gay people.

 

[chessnerd321]

People also don’t go around telling people that alcoholism or gluttony is who they are as a person. However, there are voices that tell gay people that their sexual orientation IS them. When your whole view of self is wrapped up in only a small part of you, any attack on that part of you is wrongly construed as an attack on the entire person.

And frankly, if the counter message people are getting from the church is that YOU, a gay person, are intrinsically disordered, then the Church has failed to communicate the truth properly.

 

[sewnolivette]

I really thought this was a good talk from Fr. Mike Schmitz:

 

[Kris34]

Jesus said divorce wasn’t from God. It was something Moses decided for man’s hardness of heart. I hope The stuff about hoomosexual acts similarly were out in because of the notions at the time. It does seem unfair to ask people to be celibate. Being gay isn’t the problem. It’s relations. If you can’t make peace with in the Catholic Church and your relationship with God is suffering, try a different church that doesn’t have a problem with it. Good luck.

 

[chessnerd321]

If you can’t make peace with in the Catholic Church and your relationship with God is suffering, try a different church that doesn’t have a problem with it. Good luck.

I’m sorry, but advice like this can’t go unchallenged. Who would be here if we gave up if there was a teaching we didn’t like, made us uncomfortable, or even angry at God?

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can accept it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. John 6:60-63

A rejection of the Church is a rejection of Christ. I don’t want to be one of those who rejected Christ, for whom there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

 

[Hereiam]

Cutting to the chase of “What is wrong with gay people”?

They are people. We all are fallen.

Why not ask “What is wrong with people”? Which includes all people without regard to sexual attraction.

Those of us who are hetro-sexual are no more closer to God than those who are not.

 

[Kris34]

God is more important than church. Church is supposed to help us know, love and serve God. It apparently isn’t for him. If it’s seeking God in an imperfect church it’s better than throwing away God or doing something wrong to himself.

You are free to think differently.

 

[casslean]

God is more important than church. Church is supposed to help us know, love and serve God. It apparently isn’t for him. If it’s seeking God in an imperfect church it’s better than throwing away God or doing something wrong to himself.

You are free to think differently.

I’m reminded of a quote, which I’ll have to paraphrase - if you pick and choose which of God’s teachings to believe, then you are really following yourself and not God.

God is important. But our relationship with God requires us to seek the truth, not find answers that are more palatable to us. His love for us means that even when we find those answers hard to take, He is there to help us through.

 

[Alex337]

Kris34:

God is more important than church. Church is supposed to help us know, love and serve God. It apparently isn’t for him. If it’s seeking God in an imperfect church it’s better than throwing away God or doing something wrong to himself.

You are free to think differently.

I’m reminded of a quote, which I’ll have to paraphrase - if you pick and choose which of God’s teachings to believe, then you are really following yourself and not God.

God is important. But our relationship with God requires us to seek the truth, not find answers that are more palatable to us. His love for us means that even when we find those answers hard to take, He is there to help us through.

I think this person has sought God and found Them in a different way to you. <3

 

[Heloisa]

St Paul to the Romans 1:

24Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

28And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. 32Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.