What is the book of Mormon all about

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Finrock said:
Your initial sentiment wasn’t about prayer, it was about my supposed inability to tell Jesus that I love Him.
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Finrock, I caught your dodge is all. The half-truths you have to tell because you already know that prayer is not an acceptable way for you to talk to Jesus.
My prayers are to the Father, in the name of Jesus, by the power of the Holy Ghost, just as is my worship. All three members of the Godhead are involved in my prayers and in my worship. Furthermore, I talk to Jesus and praise Him when I pray to the Father and when I testify of Him.
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Good enough for you I guess. I would hope that you consider one day to talk to the one who is your Hope and your Salvation.
I will kneel before Him in worship and in awe if in His mercy He sees it fit to allow me in His presence. I will surely kneel in worship and in awe, when He comes again to the earth.
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He is here Finrock. He is present in His Church.
Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” Therefore I am worshipping and telling Jesus that I love Him when I keep His commandments.
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How is obedience = worship? If your children obey you, are they worshiping you?

I do agree it is a way to show love. You can show people that you love them, but don’t you think it is good to tell them once in a while?
I’m curious. Are you suggesting that in Catholicism if you worship the Father, you aren’t worshipping the Son? Are you further suggesting that if you pray to the Father, you are somehow not praying to the Son also?
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I never suggested any such thing.
In Mormonism, we believe that when we pray to the Father, it’s as if we are praying to the Son, because they are one (of course not “one” in the trinitarian sense). But, it seems your mode of worship is different, but that doesn’t mean that my mode of worship doesn’t include worship to the Son or an expression of my love for Him. I do this both by worshiping the Father and by worshipping the Son directly.
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I would say you’ve modifed LDS teaching to suit your own beliefs. Nowhere does your church teach that you are praying to Jesus.
Your expression of Mormon belief is a false notion of Mormon belief. It simply isn’t reflective of what the reality is. I don’t hold this against you, but I am simply wanting to correct the false idea that you have. In Mormonism, Jesus Christ and His atonement is the central tenant of our religion. He is the most important part. We worship Him as our God and as our Savior. This is manifested not only in word, but as well as in deed. That we may not be worshipping Him in the same way that you do, is irrelevant to this very simple, yet fundamental truth about Mormonism. 🙂
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Kind Regards,
Finrock
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Finrock, I believe that you believe this. My point is only that you deny yourself an important aspect of Christian life.
 
Oneheartway said:
As for my explanation of Johm Whitmet…Peyote. sorry, in a amused mood today

Forgive me, I am just having fun with you. As for my thoughts on the matter, I will research and comment later.
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And david whitmer, although he left the lds church, had his testimony of the book of the book of mormon put on his gravestone. He was also one of the witnesses.

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You will need to scroll down to the last image.
 
Finrock said:
Thanks for taking the time to read and to respond to my post.

If your post is suppose to indicate how my position was flawed, I’m not seeing it. It appears that you have changed the subject matter. My comparison was not to equate “modern revelation” with Sacred Tradition. My comparison was used to illustrate that both religions have multiple sources of doctrine. Also, I illustrated that doctrine and gospel are not necessarily the same thing, just as dogma and doctrine are not necessarily the same thing. In short, I think you’ve committed the logical fallacy of missing the point. Please, let me try and put this another way.

Both Mormons and Catholics believe in multiple sources of doctrine. When speaking of the gospel of Jesus Christ, you aren’t necessarily speaking about all of the doctrines. This can be illustrated by looking at Catholicism. The Bible contains the gospel of Jesus Christ, according to Catholics, but it does not necessarily contain all of the doctrines of the Catholic church. All I am saying is that this same scenario exist when speaking about the Book of Mormon. It contains the *fullness of the gospel *of Jesus Christ, yet it does not contain all of the doctrines of the LDS church. All gospel is doctrine, but not all doctrine is gospel. The gospel is the “good news” of Jesus’ atonement. The Mormons understand the fullness of the gospel to be: 1. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 2. Repentence. 3. Baptism for the remission of sins. 4. Receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost. 5. Enduring to the end. With this definition of the “gospel” it becomes clear that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, even though it does not contain all of the doctrines of the Mormon church.

You made the statement that the Catholic church is upfront about the fact that it has multiple sources of doctrine. If by this you are implying that the Mormon church doesn’t, then I simply don’t agree. First, it is no mystery that the Book of Mormon does not contain all Mormon doctrine. Further, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints makes it abundantly clear that we have different sources of doctrine. It is a major declaration of our religion that we believe in multiple sets of scripture and also in modern revelation. This is taught by the missionaries, it is posted on our website, it is declared in our Articles of Faith. I would almost say that if there is anything that people know about the Mormons, it is the fact that Mormons don’t just believe in the Bible, but they have other scriptures too.

As far as arguing points of doctrine, that wasn’t or is it my objective here. I understand that there are differences of beliefs between Catholicism and Mormonism. I respect your right to have and to live by those beliefs. My objective isn’t to say that your faith is wrong, but rather it is to help correct misunderstandings and misrepresentations made about my religion. 🙂

Kind Regards,
Finrock
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Finrock,

Thanks so much for your reply. However, the Missionaries are anything but upfront. I was never…I repeat NEVER let in on the more shall we say “unconventional” doctrines of the lds sect. I didn’t learn much of this until I had spent quite some time (over a year) in lds land.
 
cdyblr said:
Finrock,

Thanks so much for your reply. However, the Missionaries are anything but upfront. I was never…I repeat NEVER let in on the more shall we say “unconventional” doctrines of the lds sect. I didn’t learn much of this until I had spent quite some time (over a year) in lds land.
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Not to mention the “holy lies”
 
po18guy said:
Are you sure that you are not actually zerinus, or BDawg? Your snarky, cut and paste LDS response is almost word for word what they have posted when backed into a corner with no apparent answers. We are all waiting for LDS answers. This is Catholic Answers, so we have them.
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Instead of making such comments, you could attempt to have a dialogue with what he wrote. But it is a good tactic: always attempt to use the white pieces and your opponent the black pieces through an aggressive statement.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Are you sure?
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Pretty much.

[edit] The most interviewed Book of Mormon witness
Because Oliver Cowdery died in 1850 at age 43 and Martin Harris died in 1875 at age 91, David Whitmer was the only survivor of the Three Witnesses for 13 years. At Richmond, Missouri, he sometimes received several inquirers daily asking about his connection to the Book of Mormon, including Mormon missionaries who were traveling from Utah to the eastern United States and Europe. Despite his hostility toward the LDS Church, Whitmer always stood by his claim that he had actually seen the Golden Plates.[11]

Nevertheless, his testimonies differed from one retelling to another. Recounting the vision to Orson Pratt in 1878, Whitmer claimed to have seen not only the Golden Plates but the “Brass Plates, the plates containing the record of the wickedness of the people of the world…the sword of Laban, the Directors (i.e. the ball which Lehi had) and the Interpreters. I saw them just as plain as I see this bed…”[12] On other occasions, Whitmer’s vision of the plates seemed far less corporeal. When asked in 1880 for a description of the angel who showed him the plates, Whitmer replied that the angel “had no appearance or shape.” Asked by the interviewer how he then could bear testimony that he had seen and heard an angel, Whitmer replied, “Have you never had impressions?” To which the interviewer responded, “Then you had impressions as the Quaker when the spirit moves, or as a good Methodist in giving a happy experience, a feeling?” “Just so,” replied Whitmer.[13] A young Mormon lawyer, James Henry Moyle, who interviewed Whitmer in 1885, asked if there was any possibility that Whitmer had been deceived. “His answer was unequivocal…that he saw the plates and heard the angel with unmistakable clearness.” But Moyle went away “not fully satisfied…It was more spiritual than I anticipated.”[14] Yet Whitmer ordered his testimony to the Book of Mormon placed on his tombstone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Whitmer

This is not a prolds site at all since it skews his testimony.
 
why_me said:
Instead of making such comments, you could attempt to have a dialogue with what he wrote. But it is a good tactic: always attempt to use the white pieces and your opponent the black pieces through an aggressive statement.
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Still no answers.
 
why_me said:
What does this verse mean to you?

King James Bible
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

bible.cc/john/10-16.htm

Who is Christ talking about?
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Thank you for providing the bible link, it was useful and saved me some time. Every good biblical scholar will answer your question with “The Gentiles”

The calling of the Gentiles.

i.e. not of the Jewish fold, but Gentiles. Jn 10:4 Isa 56:8 Jn 17:20 Acts 15:7-9.

-He means the perishing Gentiles

Not of the Jewish Church or nation, but Gentiles

bible.cc/john/10-16.htm
 
why_me said:
You will have to lecture our catholic friend who posted his ideas. He had my daughters in hell or in purgatory for a long time. Not me.
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He never mentioned your daughters at all (bit of drama there?) and there is nothing wrong with what he said.
 
po18guy said:
In a court of law, or a forum, your “answer” is non-responsive to the question.
I did in no wise ask for a regurgitation of Mormon beliefs. Please, just answer, truthfully and directly, focusing like a laser beam, the following:
  1. Did your god have sex?
  2. Is your god only one of many in the universe?
  3. Are you on a path to become god of your own planet?
  4. Are you permitted to worship the man you call “Jesus”?
You can answer with only four words. Simple.
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I was busy for a while, Po18Guy, but here you go:
No.
No. Not in the sense you have written your question.
No.
I don’t call Jesus a man. I worship Jesus Christ, your Savior and mine, as the literal Son of God, our Advocate with the Father, the Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, the Great I Am, the Word; the Way, the Truth, and the Life and Light of the World.
 
ParkerD said:
I was busy for a while, Po18Guy, but here you go:
No.
No. Not in the sense you have written your question.
No.
I don’t call Jesus a man. I worship Jesus Christ, your Savior and mine, as the literal Son of God, our Advocate with the Father, the Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, the Great I Am, the Word; the Way, the Truth, and the Life and Light of the World.
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The BoM states that The Father had a sexual relationship with Mary to conceive the Son…
 
ParkerD said:
I was busy for a while, Po18Guy, but here you go:
No.
No. Not in the sense you have written your question.
No.
I don’t call Jesus a man. I worship Jesus Christ, your Savior and mine, as the literal Son of God, our Advocate with the Father, the Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, the Great I Am, the Word; the Way, the Truth, and the Life and Light of the World.
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Well according to Bruce Mcconkie and his speech at BYU you are not supposed to worship Christ or the Holy Spirit.

The site had this to say about Mcconkie:

*Bruce R. McConkie was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when this devotional
address was given at Brigham Young University on 2 March 1982. *

About worshiping Christ he said the following

*"We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense–the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator. "*
 
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