If you need someone to talk to - PM me, OK? I am constitutionally unable to tolerate someone I care about finding a “permanent solution to a temporary problem”.
Thank you Gretta.
Benadam, this issue has not been treated substantially by the Church yet, but could definitely say something on the subject as it continues to unfold. It seems that they first want to have a fuller understanding of these medical conditions versus those thus far perceived as mere confusion. It wouldn’t be wise to make a statement without knowing both sides of the story. In Zoe’s case, having a medical condition would certainly seem to qualify as ambiguous.
Liraco, thanks for this gentle reminder. I’ve sometimes been less than charitable at times, and need to work harder on that. I fall so far short of who I’d like to be, but fortunately people here are very forgiving of that.
I’m relieved. I am particularly endeared to people suffering from an intersexed and transexed condition. They are the earth’s expression of disharmony between men and women. Through them the extent of loss becomes realized. For an only man his masculinity remains hidden to himself untill it is revealed by the only womans feminity. With the internal gaze of Original Innocense they are naked to one another and there was no ambiguity manifest and no cause for shame.
Holly, I really have to ask, if you “don’t know that the Church has an official position” on this subject, why in the world would you jump in here and give us this “opinion”
Can I transfer the balance to someone who needs it more than I do? Forget who’s owed what, or who deserves what, I see so very many in need, and I can help so few. Not that I’m not in need too, as we all are.
I’m not sure whether I mentioned it or not. He was born Intersexed, and required genital reconstruction early in life to relieve pain and enable him to urinate properly.
Makes me wonder about my birth.
It’s been a while since I’ve been here, so I’ve forgotten of what you’re accusing me. However, you are wrong about the “bearing false witness” thing: That means where you intentionally lie about something. It does not mean “you say something that wasn’t true”. It means being a false witness, i.e. “I saw this thing happen” when you know you didn’t: it refers to intentionally lying.
That’s garbage, dude. My views do not support murder. I understand you’re upset, but you’re not taking it out on me, although that was months ago… I guess that’s why I left: I didn’t want to waste time with a frivolous argument. And, since I don’t recall what the argument was, I guess I’m done with it.
Ah yes the same attitude of my father who wants the 800s Cathoic church back. You even said science doesn’t matter which puts your credibility in the toilet quickly. It’s attitudes like yours that wrongly put Galleo in prison, locked up other like autistics amungst others. Shame shame>
How dare you call this subject frivolous. I hope you are not in a occupation that involves working with children, you would be an obvious danger to all the non physical aspects of child health.
Wait – WHAT?! I’m getting a Bachelors of Science in Physics next year – precisely what did I say? (I may have said that bad science doesn’t matter – citing dozens of studies that are more politically oriented than scientifically oriented, for example. If I recall, that was the context.)
First of all, shame on you. Secondly, read: catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp Do not come across as an ignorant anti-papist.
I’m really not in a good mood, and your posts are not helping. You are not reading my posts carefully, and you are missing their context entirely. The argument to which I referred was the one with Brain who attempted to accuse me of “bearing false witness” due to a misunderstanding of the phrase.
Read it for your self, you are saying science is irrelevent. I rest my case.hyflyer, I think Elizabeth would be happier if you would place quotations from her posts in quote tags (highlight the text and click the dialog bubble in the post editor), instead of bold/red formatting. (The bold and red may come across as in The Scarlet Letter, “It’s bold and red because it’s wrong.”)
As for male and female, when looking at the Genesis story, we have Adam and Eve, man and woman. In a sense, it’s like you’re asking me to define the colors blue and yellow. It’s hard to define, but you know it when you see it. Don’t overanalyze reality, trying to force everything to fit square definitions. It leads one into endless spirals; what is the difference between sanity and insanity, reality and illusion, belief and faith? Life is complicated, but don’t overcomplicate it!
I’m supposed to grin and bear it, being transsexual, but I’m supposed to be worried about your mood. Now that has double standard written all over it. Zoe is one of the most mild mannered posters here is upset over your whole condescending attitude here. I think you have got to come to term with the fact that some us are sick and tired of being told to grit are teeth and bear it when it comes to gender issues. By the way don’t question my knowledge of science. I’m a degreed meteorologist, who happens to have big hobby with studieng history. We all know Galleo was put in jail for propsing the Earth is not the center of the Universe. Later Copernicus made the same proposal, but in a more diplomatic way to the Pope and it was accepted.