What is the difference in Protestants being "saved" and Catholic salvation?

[PJM]

KathleenGee;13207904]If you look at the world today…it is so bad…and so much slaughter in the name of religion and state…and free choice…worshipping the flesh without God.

Now beginning to understand with all this bloodshed…and such subsequent distortion of man that many now don’t even want to marry and have children…that Our Lord had to be come the Sacrificial Lamb, shed His Blood and die for us…and to live within us…in the Eucharist…so we could be restored to our own selves, our humanity and that of others…that we must forgive constantly and believe irregardless that Christ stands before the heart of every person.

We must realize that true Christianity is in essence…besides loving God with all our heart, soul and mind…that if we mistreat our neighbor…we are abusing God Himself.

Christ restores our faith in God that He is present among human beings, irregardless of today’s world’s behavior and slaughter.

Thank you! Nicely done.

Continued Blessings,

Patrick [PJM]

 

[eazyduzit]

Why do you separate the body from the spirit?

For the reason that it is only the spirit that is involved in the new birth. The body is not changed at all. It is neutral. The body will be redeemed at the second coming.

 

[eazyduzit]

NOT by Love alone. John 3:5 has Jesus mandating Christian Baptism as the essential and necessary [NORMAL] first step on what is a PROCESS of meriting salvation. Mt. 19:17 tells us that Obedience to ALL of the 10 Commandments [which by the way are 10 categories of sins; not the entire list of them. And each category holds the potential for at least one “Mortal sin.” [which have the effect of separating one from the Love of Jesus]. READ 1 Jn. 1: 6-7; 1 Jn. 5:16-17 & John 20:19-23

Salvation is a process. It begins with Sacramental Baptism’ and is then aided by the other sis Sacraments; each of which WAS instituted by Jesus to AID us in meriting His Salvation. Of these; The Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins[GOD’S desired and accepted WAY!] and the Most Holy Eucharist; Literally Jesus Himself; have an irreplaceable relevance and importance in this Process.

There is a GREAT deal more but space is limited.

As A FYI, I’m a trained and greatly experienced teacher of our Catholic Faith; now retired after about 30 years of Faith sharing; I offer A TOTALLY FREE OF ALL COST HOME STUDY e-mailed course. With a new Lesson mailed each Monday; and I answer all Faith questions is depth and with the evidence that proves our beliefs and practices.

The short story for your question is to 1. Be Baptized & 2 Die without any MORTAL sins not confessed and forgiven by a Priest as Jesus tells us in the passages I referenced above. There is more BUT…

Because God obligates Himself to offer at least sufficient grace so that everyone CAN know Him; grace which can be and OFTEN is refused; … One who is NOT Baptized AND therefore denies God through their OWN FAULT; [opportunities rejected]; and OR die NOT in the “Sate of God’s grace”; have chosen for THEMSELVES eternal Hell. Again this is the VERY SHORT version.

God Bless you,

Please consider my course; you’ll learn a great deal, and its backed up with the evidence of our faith. Just send me a private message my friend

PRAY much,

God Bless you,

Patrick

Here is a good example of our differences regarding salvation.

First, the Bible says it is by grace through faith. That is, it is accessed by faith and not by rituals. It is by grace and not merit so that no one may boast and God gets all the Glory.
It is the “FREE GIFT” of God Rm.5.

The Catholic attains.

The Evangelical obtains.

The Bible says there is a “rest to the people of God” (Heb.4:9) By faith we rest in the FINISHED work of Christ.

Savation does not begin with a ritual, but with an attitude of the heart; a godly sorrow that brings repentance or a change of direction.

 

[benhur]

Here is a good example of our differences regarding salvation.

First, the Bible says it is by grace through faith. That is, it is accessed by faith and not by rituals. It is by grace and not merit so that no one may boast and God gets all the Glory.
It is the “FREE GIFT” of God Rm.5.

The Catholic attains.

The Evangelical obtains.

The Bible says there is a “rest to the people of God” (Heb.4:9) By faith we rest in the FINISHED work of Christ.

Savation does not begin with a ritual, but with an attitude of the heart; a godly sorrow that brings repentance or a change of direction.

How about one proclaims a Christ who puts you in the Body (church), and one proclaims a church that puts you in Christ.

 

[Michael68]

The Protestants cannot “self proclaim and save” themselves. If they knew they were heaven bound, they would be JESUS. JESUS grants salvation, not a book. The bible teaches the Christian faith, which includes JESUS proclaiming that HE has formed a church, HIS church. Not multiple churches and not multiple flavors, nuances or essences of the HIS church - just ONE Church.
Our Protestant brothers and sister have to answer the question to themselves, that if JESUS formed ONE church, and the protestant church did not arrive upon the world for almost 1,500 after JESUS, how then can the claim of “self salvation” through the bible be true, when as a matter of fact and time, the protestant church cannot be the ONE church formed by JESUS.

Catholics are not guaranteed salvation by being Catholic. JESUS grants salvation, not the catholic church. But Catholics have the roots and facts and time that undeniably lead directly back to the day, month, moment and voice of JESUS declaring the formation of HIS church. Read the gospel of Matthew and you will see that GOD the FATHER chose Peter, not JESUS, JESUS " …for MY part I pronounce you Petra and upon this Rock I will build MY Church." paraphrase. GOD selected, and JESUS anointed. Just as GOD chose Abraham, and Moses so HE chose Peter.

Salvation is granted by JESUS to those who love. If you love you cannot be associated in any fashion with the murder of children, or any organization or party that supports the murder of children. If you love you cannot be racist, you cannot hate the “image of GOD” which is in each of us. If you love you must provide charity with mercy. Open the doors as everyone is welcome, turn no one away, but teach the truth of JESUS. If you love, you follow JESUS and HIS WAY, TRUTH , LIGHT and LIFE.

I agree! I have never understood why protestants think they are the church

 

[Michael68]

Ok, it still doesn’t make sense. Why does CCC 161 state believing in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation? But in other CCC paragraphs it says otherwise. You must agree, that CCC 161 is pretty clear.

CCC. 161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. “Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’”

Are you trying to say the catachism contradicts? Exercise in futility

 

[Michael68]

Here is a good example of our differences regarding salvation.

First, the Bible says it is by grace through faith. That is, it is accessed by faith and not by rituals. It is by grace and not merit so that no one may boast and God gets all the Glory.
It is the “FREE GIFT” of God Rm.5.

The Catholic attains.

The Evangelical obtains.

The Bible says there is a “rest to the people of God” (Heb.4:9) By faith we rest in the FINISHED work of Christ.

Savation does not begin with a ritual, but with an attitude of the heart; a godly sorrow that brings repentance or a change of direction.

First off, the bible is not the sole authority and was never intended to be!

 

[Michael68]

My wife is Roman Catholic (48 year old cradle Catholic, Catholic grade school/high school etc.) and to say that she is poorly catechized would be an understatement. How widespread would you say this problem is in Catholicism? What is the Catholic Church doing to address this issue?

Thanks

The Church offers adult classes all the time! I think the question should be, “what am I doing to strengthen my faith with all the tools available?” Don’t blame the Church if someone does not take advantage of the many learning opportunities offered. Most of these classes are free. The blame belongs somewhere else!

Maybe your question should be, " how am I prohibiting my wife from learning her faith?"

 

[eazyduzit]

Here my friend is both a short answer and a more detailed reply. THANKS for asking

Catholics hold and always have that Salvation is a PROCESS not a single step.

The Process is centered around the Seven Sacraments

Baptism
Eucharist
Confirmation
Penance [Confession of our sins John 20:19-23]
Marriage
Holy Orders [the priesthood extended from the time of Moses; now perfected
The Last rites

Each of which was Instituted By Christ either explicitly or implicitly Mt 16:015-19

Protestants hold very often to Once Saved Always Saved; Altar calls and the Sinners Prayer; none of which is biblically grounded when using the entire Bible.

Part of the difference is our different views of the necessity of Suffering.

Non-catholic s often take the position that Christ DID IT ALL, which is not biblical when using the entire New Testament.

Because GOD suffered so much for us Christ Himself TAUGHT that we too must expect to suffer in order to prove our love for Him.

Take Up your Cross and Follow Me

Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” Matt.5: 19 “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

Your question requires much further discussion but space is limited.

God Bless you!
Patrick

Here is what confuses Catholics in their zeal to merit salvation. Taking up a cross is not a condition for salvation. Jesus is not speaking to unbelievers, but to potential disciples. The word “life” in Mk.8:35 is actually “soul” from the Greek word psuche. So in this passage Jesus is telling us how to save our soul (mind, will, and emotions) from the world. It is not about eternal salvation, forgiveness of sins or the gift of righteousness.

But i agree that we work in some way to save our own soul.
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[Michael68]

Rampant. Macaroni pictures and saint posterboard projects replaced religious education for at least the last 50 years. It’s doubtful most heard anything more than a variation of “God is love” over and over, with further context or instruction. It was abysmal.

Veeeeeeerrrrryyyy slowly, it seems to be turning around. The younger priests appear to be more faithful, and seem to be preaching the full Gospel. Hopefully religious education starts improving as well. I expect to see even more improvement once the 60’s generation has passed on as the younger generations are more faithful.

Its not very slowly! We have classes in my area constantly. No, not slowly, maybe slowly to attend
The Church is doing her part!

 

[eazyduzit]

First off, the bible is not the sole authority and was never intended to be!

That is a shocking statement. There is no use discussing anything with someone who is able to add whatever to God’s word. I would have expected a cult member to claim that.

 

[eazyduzit]

How about one proclaims a Christ who puts you in the Body (church), and one proclaims a church that puts you in Christ.

Sure,but these are not conditions for salvation according to scripture.

 

[Michael68]

Here is what confuses Catholics in their zeal to merit salvation. Taking up a cross is not a condition for salvation. Jesus is not speaking to unbelievers, but to potential disciples. The word “life” in Mk.8:35 is actually “soul” from the Greek word psuche. So in this passage Jesus is telling us how to save our soul (mind, will, and emotions) from the world. It is not about eternal salvation, forgiveness of sins or the gift of righteousness.

But i agree that we work in some way to save our own soul.

And here is what confuses protestants. We know what that means!

 

[Michael68]

That is a shocking statement. There is no use discussing anything with someone who is able to add whatever to God’s word. I would have expected a cult member to claim that.

Quite shocking that we have Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magistrate for issues concerning the bible. What is shocking is the idea you can intepret any way you want to. That is purely shocking! By the way, i don’t belong to a cult. Which protestant cult do you belong to?

 

[Elizium23]

That is a shocking statement. There is no use discussing anything with someone who is able to add whatever to God’s word. I would have expected a cult member to claim that.

For 1500 years*, all of Christendom accepted Sacred Tradition, which is a Biblical practice and you should not denigrate it by calling it “adding whatever”.

*And most of the Jews for thousands of years before Christ.

 

[Michael68]

That is a shocking statement. There is no use discussing anything with someone who is able to add whatever to God’s word. I would have expected a cult member to claim that.

Clearly you are somewhat hostile towards Christ’s Church. Explore this sight and discover how you have been misled. I say this to help you! You have been fed misinformation about Chist’s Church and you are in a good place here! Here there is truth

 

[powerofk]

That is a shocking statement. There is no use discussing anything with someone who is able to add whatever to God’s word. I would have expected a cult member to claim that.

Here’s the thing - the canon of books included in Sacred Scripture is, in and of itself, Sacred Tradition. Before the Ecumenical Councils, there were many books claiming to be sacred scripture. Many were well-read, and thought to be scripture by many (such as the Letter of Clement to the Corinthians and the Shepherd of Hermas), some were pious fiction (such as the Infancy Gospel of James and the Acts of Paul and Thecla), and some were written by heretical groups (such as the “Gospels” of Thomas, Mary, Barnabas, etc.). Even many books that ended up in the New Testament (such as 2 Peter, Revelation of John, etc.) were hotly debated. The question is, truly, in regard to the Protestants (and pseudo-Christian sects such as JW’s and Mormons) who believe that there was a “Great Apostasy” in the Church that occured no later than the First Council of Nicaea, if the Magesterium of the Church was not directed by the Holy Spirit, then how can you be sure that the canon of scripture that you accept (which was determined by the Magesterium itself) is the proper canon of scripture? Because the canon of scripture was not determined until well after the time the “Great Apostasy” supposedly took place. And if there was a “Great Apostasy”, then that would have meant that the Holy Spirit could not have been working through the Church when the Church was determining what writings were scriptural, which writings were simply “spiritually enriching, but not scriptural”, which writings were spurious, and which ones were heretical.

 

[benhur]

Sure,but these are not conditions for salvation according to scripture.

Exactly, and the conditions for salvation are defined differently by churches.And some stream the conditions thru their churches more than others.

Again, it is not the conditions I am referring to, but the proclamation of them. It is about the emphasis of one’s gospel . Is the emphasis meet my Christ, or come to His Church ?

Blessings

 

[zz912]

How about one proclaims a Christ who puts you in the Body (church), and one proclaims a church that puts you in Christ.

How do you separate the Body of Christ from Christ?

 

[zz912]

Here is what confuses Catholics in their zeal to merit salvation. Taking up a cross is not a condition for salvation. Jesus is not speaking to unbelievers, but to potential disciples. The word “life” in Mk.8:35 is actually “soul” from the Greek word psuche. So in this passage Jesus is telling us how to save our soul (mind, will, and emotions) from the world. It is not about eternal salvation, forgiveness of sins or the gift of righteousness.

But i agree that we work in some way to save our own soul.

1. Catholics don’t believe they can merit salvation. Please educate yourself on what the Catholic Church actually teaches about salvation.
2. So if you refuse to take up your cross, can you be saved?
3. Is picking up your cross a command of Christ?
4. Can you be saved if you do not love Christ?
5. Do you love Christ if you do not follow His commands?