The lurkers are eagerly awaiting, are there any Catholics up to the task of proving from scripture and/or history that “today’s CC is the One Founded by Jesus”?
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s I said earlier; you’re asking the wrong question; whu don’t you dear friend disprove it
St. Ignatius became the third bishop of Antioch, succeeding St. Evodius, who was the immediate successor of St. Peter. He heard St. John preach when he was a boy and knew St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna. Seven of his letters written to various Christian communities have been preserved. Eventually, he received the martyr’s crown as he was thrown to wild beasts in the arena.
“Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.”
“Letter to the Smyrnaeans”, paragraph 6**. circa 80-110 A.D**
ST. AMBROSE OF MILAN (Alt)
“You perhaps say: ‘My bread is usual.’ But the bread is bread before the words of the sacraments; when consecration has been added, from bread it becomes the flesh of Christ. So let us confirm this, how it is possible that what is bread is the body of Christ. By what words, then, is the consecration and by whose expressions? By those of the Lord Jesus. For all the rest that are said in the preceding are said by the priest: praise to God, prayer is offered, there is a petition for the people, for kings, for the rest. When it comes to performing a venerable sacrament, then the priest uses not his own expressions, but he uses the expressions of Christ. Thus the expression of Christ performs this sacrament.” The Sacraments" Book 4, Ch.4:14.
Bishop of Milan from 374 to 397
contributed by Eric Ewanco
eje@world.std.com
http://www.staycatholic.com/ecf_primacy_of_rome.htm
The Early Church Fathers understood from the beginning that Peter and his successors held a place of primacy in the Church.
Clement of Rome
Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobeys the things which have been said by him [Jesus] through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in no small danger. We, however, shall be innocent of this sin and will pray with entreaty and supplication that the Creator of all may keep unharmed the number of his elect (Letter to the Corinthians 58:2, 59:1[A.D. 95]).
Ignatius of Antioch
You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force (Epistle to the Romans
3:1 [A.D. 110]).
Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2** [inter A.D. 180-190]).**
G B U:thumbsup:
Not posting my whole statement could have given someone the wrong impression.
First of all, Jesus gives Simon a new name when He meets him for the first time, He calls him Cephas (Peter), rock. (John 1:42). There is no other church but the Catholic Church that “still” believes Matt.16:18-19 is referring to Peter (rock) being put into a position of authority in the newly founded Church of Jesus. Verse 19 speaks directly to Peter alone. Then in John 21:15-17, Jesus reiterates Peter as leader of Jesus flock (Church). “Feed my lambs, tend my sheep, feed my sheep.” I don’t even have to use history to prove it if I don’t want to, Scripture is more than sufficient to show what you are asking.
Certainly! I was just adding on to your post.