What Is The Most [traditional] Catholic Place In The Usa?

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rlg94086 said:
American Protestants first rejoiced at the impending destruction of the papacy by Napoleon, and later mourned the pope’s restoration by the British
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Once again, thanks for proving my point.
 
Jean_Marie said:
Once again, thanks for proving my point.
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I don’t think so. Your point was…
America was founded on the very principle of destroying the Catholic Church. One can not be proud of the US Constitution and government, and be a devout Catholic, the two are opposed to one another.
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Please show something anti-Catholic in the US Constitution, or something in the founding documents calling for the destruction of the Catholic Church.

If it’s true, then why would the first and third presidents write letters thanking their fellow Americans in the Catholic Church? Why was Maryland (founded by Catholics) allowed to have a Bishop (from the same family as one of the founding fathers who signed the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution, btw)?

You have proved nothing. If you want the world to be more Catholic, then live your faith and evangelize.
 
Jean_Marie said:
Once again, thanks for proving my point.
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What is your point?

And I will gladly pitch in for your ticket out of America. Its people like you that make this country awful to begin with, and “Catholics” like you that scare people away from the faith with your stupidity, lack of understanding of anything historical and government related, and prejudices.

I’ll pray that you make your journey out of here asap.
 
rlg94086 said:
You are absolutely, 100% in error. The founding fathers were rebelling against England, not the Catholic Church. They did not want an official church for the government. Certainly, the number of Catholic founding fathers was quite small (3), but so were a lot of other denominations. The largest number were Anglican.

There have been anti-Catholic movements in this country, but they have been crushed because of our shared belief in freedom of religion. There is a small minority (athiests) who would like freedom from religion, but it is not the basis of our government or our country.

Anyway, as a Catholic, you shouldn’t be looking for the perfect Catholic location here on earth. We are “in this world, but not of this world.” That is true regardless of what country you live in.

I am really serious about the offer to buy you a one-way ticket…I won’t even ask anyone else to kick in money. You show me your approved application for a work visa and then PM me, and I will gladly buy you a ticket.
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Judeo-Christian Freemasons did indeed have a huge part in setting up the U.S. government. And are still in force today. Look at your dollar bill. It’s practically written in Masonic. “Annuit coeptis- Novus Ordo Seclorum” with the eye over the pyramid. Does that ring a bell?

If you’re familiar with some of the Rites, I believe it’s the Scottish, where the members have to spear two skulls, one representing the king and the other representing the Pope, in order to attain the next degree.

Also, look at the map of Washington, DC. It’s the Freemason symbol or draw your own conclusions.

Of course, you are free to deny Freemason activity if you want. But they’re here and in a lot of countries, for that matter.
 
I did not deny that Freemasons had a part in the founding of our government.

If you have evidence that “the “founders” were*** all anti-Catholic Freemasons,” ***please proivide it.

If you have evidence that "America was founded on the very principle of destroying the Catholic Church. One can not be proud of the US Constitution and government, and be a devout Catholic, the two are opposed to one another. "…please provide it.

I happen to thankful to be in a country which has Freedom of Religion. Btw…for “a country founded on the principle of destroying the Catholic Church,” they did a lousy job…
BobP123 said:
Judeo-Christian Freemasons did indeed have a huge part in setting up the U.S. government. And are still in force today. Look at your dollar bill. It’s practically written in Masonic. “Annuit coeptis- Novus Ordo Seclorum” with the eye over the pyramid. Does that ring a bell?

If you’re familiar with some of the Rites, I believe it’s the Scottish, where the members have to spear two skulls, one representing the king and the other representing the Pope, in order to attain the next degree.

Also, look at the map of Washington, DC. It’s the Freemason symbol or draw your own conclusions.

Of course, you are free to deny Freemason activity if you want. But they’re here and in a lot of countries, for that matter.
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BobP123 said:
I read somewhere that Archbishop Carroll’s brother was a Freemason. I’ll see if I can find the source. (It was a book actually.)
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Who cares if the Archbishop’s brother was a Freemason? My brother is an athiest. It has no impact on my Catholicism.
 
rlg94086 said:
Please show something anti-Catholic in the US Constitution
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papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

Condemned proposition: ’55. The Church ought to be separated from the .State, and the State from the Church. — Allocution “Acerbissimum,” Sept. 27, 1852.’

And more:

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10cst.htm

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10law.htm

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10por.htm

fisheaters.com/apostolicmandate.html

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sta.htm
 
Still no proof of your earlier assertions. The alternative to Freedom of Religion in the United States would not have been a Catholic government…it probably would have been Anglican. I don’t think that would have been good for Catholics.

Now, if you can find a Catholic monarchy to move to…just let me and homewardbound know…🙂
Jean_Marie said:
papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

Condemned proposition: ’55. The Church ought to be separated from the .State, and the State from the Church. — Allocution “Acerbissimum,” Sept. 27, 1852.’

And more:

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10cst.htm

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10law.htm

papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10por.htm

fisheaters.com/apostolicmandate.html

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sta.htm
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Jean_Marie said:
It took you less than 8 minutes to read those encyclicals?
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They have no bearing on your earlier assertions. And a more recent Pope wrote a letter addressing the importance of Freedom of Religion in the world today:
rc.net/rcchurch/popes/johnpaul/jp2freed.txt

You can long for a Catholic monarchy of the past (who the previous popes were addressing), or you can live out your Catholic faith today in a country where you are free to do so.
 
Interesting set of quotes, JM. The first four “And more” quotes might be more applicable if we were French or Portugese.

I don’t mean to make your argument for you (since I find it specious), but the encyclical you might have wanted to cite is Leo XIII’s Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, on “Americanism”, where he condemned some of the American prelates for their making an accommodation to non-Catholics in a non-Catholic Christian United States.

John
 
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Jean_Marie:
It took you less than 8 minutes to read those encyclicals?
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Jean,

An important thing to note in reading encyclicals is the addressee line. This has an effect on several things, among them infallibility. For instance nothing addressed to less that the Church as a whole can be infallible.

John
 
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anamchara:
I’d say you would find larger Irish Catholics back east in NY…many old Irish families go way back…back there.
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Thanks, AC, (I can’t call you anamchara, since I have one of my own 😉 ), for reminding all of the leadership of the Irish in the Catholic Church of the United States. (I am looking and I am probably kin to Cardinal Gibbons.)

Jean,

At any rate, the United States is not a Catholic country. There’s a Catholic majority on the US Supreme Court, how’s that?

Just because stores don’t close on Sunday or Good Friday does not necessarily mean we have fallen into secularism. While you’d doubtless find my parish WAY too liberal, we have a very active and faithful youth organization which has expanded from our parish throughout the country.

So, Jean, welcome to the forums, you’ve made a bang in your entry.

John
 
Jean_Marie said:
Well, it’s more accurate to say they wanted to be free FROM religion.

You do realize, do you not, that the “founders” were all anti-Catholic Freemasons?

America was founded on the very principle of destroying the Catholic Church. One can not be proud of the US Constitution and government, and be a devout Catholic, the two are opposed to one another.
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Sigh! Not completely historically accurate. If you’ll recall one of the 13 colonies was actually a Catholic colony. The third president and author of the Declaration of Independence actually allocated government money to a Jesuit priest who was a missionary to an indian tribe.
 
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