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fhansen
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God’s purpose is to restore justice to His universe, not ignore it as if sin doesn’t matter
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Bahman
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How he could restore justice when he simply forgive our sins?
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fhansen
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Its not only forgiveness of sins. It’s to change, to turn to him in faith and allow him to work in us, placing his law in our hearts and writing it on our minds. That’s the “sin no more” part.
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Bookcat
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What is the point of God’s justice if all our sins are forgiven?
- they are?
- everyone’s…?
- who says?
- if a person refuses to repent - is he forgiven?
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Bookcat
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He does?
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MT1926
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NOPE! Depends on what they did. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Basically, if one of my kids trashed the kitchen they would need to say they are sorry to be forgiven but they would also be judged by me (my justice) based on what they do to clean up the mess. Whether they clean it up or not I am still going to love them and forgive them of other transgressions, but our relationship would be much stronger if they would clean it up. The love of God, and the way a Father is suppose to love, is always strong and constant. However, when we sin we pull away from that love. The love is the same we just aren’t close enough to feel it’s full effects. Same goes with kids. My parents love my 2 older brothers as much as they love me. It’s the same strong constant love. I get to feel that love daily because I choose to run to their house every day at lunch to help my mom take car of my dad. My one brother is loved just as much but he lives 5 hours away and can only see them every couple of months. My oldest brother, the prodigal son who has yet to return, lives locally and sees them once in a blue moon, usually just at holidays. He is equally loved. How do I know, because I am the executor of the will and all 3 of us get an equal share of the inheritance.
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CHRISTINE77
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What sort of justice are you looking for Bahman? If you are look for a kind of legal system that man made up, you aren’t going to find it in God. He sees into people’s hearts. Therefore a person who lead a bad life full of sins, but is fully sorry about it will be granted mercy. (And yes, I do think God loves atonement in people.) God sees the big picture, HE knows what’s REALLY going on. Don’t worry, God will provide both justice and mercy.
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HelenRose
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I see no point in it at all because I can not fathom God’s Mercy. It makes no sense to me that God would forgive my sins. I can only contemplate His love for me. I don’t question it. I am just thankful.
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Bahman
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So I repeat my argument again: How you can equate two persons, one with a few sins and another with sinful life?
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Bahman
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Yes they are forgiven considering the fact that the sinner sincerely confess.
Just only Christian. Jesus has already died for it. I don’t know why God’s mercy shines only for Christian!?
Your church.
No. This doesn’t happen if you are a rational believer. You are doomed if you are an non-believer.
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Bahman
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What if your children cannot possibly clean the mess they created?NOPE! Depends on what they did. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Basically, if one of my kids trashed the kitchen they would need to say they are sorry to be forgiven but they would also be judged by me (my justice) based on what they do to clean up the mess. Whether they clean it up or not I am still going to love them and forgive them of other transgressions, but our relationship would be much stronger if they would clean it up. The love of God, and the way a Father is suppose to love, is always strong and constant. However, when we sin we pull away from that love. The love is the same we just aren’t close enough to feel it’s full effects. Same goes with kids. My parents love my 2 older brothers as much as they love me. It’s the same strong constant love. I get to feel that love daily because I choose to run to their house every day at lunch to help my mom take car of my dad. My one brother is loved just as much but he lives 5 hours away and can only see them every couple of months. My oldest brother, the prodigal son who has yet to return, lives locally and sees them once in a blue moon, usually just at holidays. He is equally loved. How do I know, because I am the executor of the will and all 3 of us get an equal share of the inheritance.
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HelenRose
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Since I am not God and do not know the heart and the intentions of other human being, I can not possibly answer your question.
I have an idea that there are people in this world who have never actually committed a serious sin but never bothered to do one iota of good either. There are other people whose lives are beset with all sorts of sin but still manage to love and care for those around them.
I think of Christ telling us that He would prefer cold or hot water but would spew the lukewarm water from His mouth. A great sinner who repents and turns to Him is preferable to a lukewarm wimp who limps along through life without a caring for anyone while doing no harm does not do good either.
But, I could never know this about another soul. Only God knows. I am only grateful for His love and worry most of all that I am the lukewarm Christian. I give so little in return for His great love. That He could possibly love a petty sinner such as myself, is a Merciful mystery to me.
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Bahman
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So I repeat my argument again: How can you equate two persons, one with a few sins and another with sinful life?
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HelenRose
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So I repeat:
Since I am not God and do not know the heart and the intentions of other human being, I can not possibly answer your question.
I have an idea that there are people in this world who have never actually committed a serious sin but never bothered to do one iota of good either. There are other people whose lives are beset with all sorts of sin but still manage to love and care for those around them.
I think of Christ telling us that He would prefer cold or hot water but would spew the lukewarm water from His mouth. A great sinner who repents and turns to Him is preferable to a lukewarm wimp who limps along through life without a caring for anyone while doing no harm does not do good either.
But, I could never know this about another soul. Only God knows. I am only grateful for His love and worry most of all that I am the lukewarm Christian. I give so little in return for His great love. That He could possibly love a petty sinner such as myself, is a Merciful mystery to me.
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CHRISTINE77
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I don’t understand why you asked that question. The poster said all her children are loved equally no matter what they do. Nobody can “clean up the mess they created”. That’s the whole point. If we repent and try to atone for our sins we are showing God our good intentions, however, even when our intentions fall short, God will still forgive us if we are sincere. It’s people who try to “fake God out” by acting nice rather than doing good who are in trouble. God knows. And it’s not just Christians either. It’s everyone, including you.
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Bahman
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You don’t need to be God for sake of argument.
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fhansen
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They both miss the mark-any degree of sin is an anomaly in God’s creation, not meant to be. None of us were created to sin. We’re being guided by a merciful God back to full justice, from wherever we start. His mercy is necessary either way and if some people require more, some less, that’s not our concern-we can all receive it. In any case we must still respond to His overtures-we can reject God’s mercy.
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CHRISTINE77
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Like the Father equated his two sons in the tale of The Prodigal Son. Have you read it?
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Bahman
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So I repeat my argument again: How can you equate two persons, one with a few sins and another with sinful life?
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Bahman
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That is a story? How could you justify this?
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