What is the problem with magic if it is not evil magic?

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I have to agree with almost all answers posted. The only ones I cannot agree with are those that claim magic is not “real”. It’s as real as a heart attack. I have done a lot of ‘studying’ of magic and the occult on my own over the past 40+ years. When I was young (late teens/early twenties) I dabbled a little in fortune telling with playing cards, because I was fascinated by it. I was actually pretty good at it, which made me want to dabble even more into the occult. So, I started reading a lot of other things about magic and the occult, even though deep down inside it scared me.

I was born and raised Catholic, so I had a very strong feeling that it really wasn’t a good thing to be doing. Some things happened to me that really got my attention. I could see that the devil was using all of those things to drag me away from God. That’s when I started reading a lot more about it from the Church’s perspective, particularly about how it often led to demonic obsession, oppression or even possession. I finally stopped dabbling in all of it. I have no idea what would have happened to me if I had continued, but I have no interest in finding out.

My advice is to stay away from it, because in the end it’s your immortal soul that’s at stake. Hell is a horrible place and no one would ever want to go there.
 
Moses prophesied of his people in Deuteronomy 32:

16 With strange gods they incited him, with abominations provoked him to anger.
17 They sacrificed to demons, to “no-gods,” to gods they had never known, Newcomers from afar, before whom your ancestors had never trembled.
18 You were unmindful of the Rock that begot you, you forgot the God who gave you birth.
19 The LORD saw and was filled with loathing, provoked by his sons and daughters.

Habakkuk wrote in Ch.2:

18 Of what use is the carved image, that its maker should carve it? Or the molten image, the lying oracle, that its very maker should trust in it, and make mute idols?
19 Ah! you who say to wood, “Awake!” to silent stone, “Arise!” Can any such thing give oracles? It is only overlaid with gold and silver, there is no breath in it at all.

And St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:

14 Therefore, my beloved, avoid idolatry.
15 I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.
16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17 Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
18 Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar?
19 So what am I saying? That meat sacrificed to idols is anything? Or that an idol is anything?
20 No, I mean that what they sacrifice, [they sacrifice] to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to become participants with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and also the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons.
22 Or are we provoking the Lord to jealous anger? Are we stronger than he?

These gods are demons, & these spirits will only serve to end your life.
 
I don’t know who Zachary King is.

But if magic were real, don’t you think the nations of the world would bypass elections and the nuisance of laws and police and simply control everybody by magic spells?
 
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That’s flawed logic. That’s like saying if Catholicism were real wouldn’t the whole world be catholic?

Magic is real. It’s dangerous and definitely demonic.
 
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SacredHeartBassist said:
That’s like saying if Catholicism were real wouldn’t the whole world be catholic?
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It’s not the same and here’s why.
Catholicism is a system of learning the Truth, drawing closer to God and growing spiritually.

There are very few material benefits to being Catholic.

But magic seeks to bend the material world to the desires of the practitioner.

If it were real (actually worked), the nations of the world would be all over it, the way they stockpile money and weapons.
 
Just because spells don’t always work doesn’t mean they’re real.
 
LOL you’re a better person than me.

I’d seek world domination and everybody would be calling me “Lord High Empress Scarlett Dominator of the Universe”
 
I think you meant to say “doesn’t mean they’re not real”.

Then in that case, it’s a very weak and flawed system and nobody should pay it any mind whatsoever.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I don’t know who Zachary King is.

But if magic were real, don’t you think the nations of the world would bypass elections and the nuisance of laws and police and simply control everybody by magic spells?
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Oh, you mean that magicians and spiritualists really don’t control the powers they dabble in? This is true.
That doesn’t mean they aren’t dabbling in anything real. It means they don’t know what they’re doing, that they think they are the masters when in effect they are being lured away to be the slaves.

The luckiest thing that could happen to someone trying to perform real magic (as opposed to sleights of hand for entertainment) is that God will bid their guardian angels to keep them isolated from the powers they are trying to contact, so that their foolishness doesn’t result in domination by an evil spirit.
 
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I totally agree with you on this.
Practitioners and the person’s they lure in are being very deluded…
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There are those who lie about spiritualism in the belief they are the only ones doing any deception.
It brings to mind the Tarkaan in C.S. Lewis’ “The Last Battle.”
“Thou hast called me into Narnia, Rishda Tarkaan. Here I am. What hast thou to say?”
 
:scream:This brings to mind that scene from the LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring:

 
hplunaphaedra said:
What is the problem with using magic to help and heal and guide people? Why do Catholics consider this wrong.
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It is a violation of the first commandment. It is also centered in the ego - the desire for power and control.
hplunaphaedra said:
Im not a Roman Catholic. Please.
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Actually, you are.

You bear the indelible mark of Catholic baptism, so whether you decide to embrace the gifts that came with it or not, it changes nothing.
hplunaphaedra said:
As I have asked before, please treat me with the same respect I have you, and please dont ask me to jump through hoops or just read old threads
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The obligation of new members to search previously posted material for answers to their questions has nothing to do with whether one is Catholic. It is inappropriate to post duplicate threads, and disrespectful toward those who have already invested time, energy, and expertise to answer questions.

I don’t know why you should feel so entitled to special treatment. Maybe High Priestesses always get special treatment?
hplunaphaedra said:
I have my own forums about Wicca, and I respect non Wiccans that go there. I dont do that to them and I respectfully request you do not be rude and do it to me.
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You might want to consider it for the future. If there are very good posts, well done, referenced, or with quality content, it is appropriate to direct users to them.

On this forum, posts are not purged, and members are expected to anticipate that whatever they post will be permanent.
AdamP88 said:
Because the only beings that offer us supernatural powers are demons. There is no “good” magic.
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There is supernatural power available to those that believe, but it is given by God’s discretion, not ours.
 
AdamP88 said:
There is no “good” magic.
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Not unless you count miracles that are granted by God. Those aren’t called magic; those are called miracles.

Other than that, the only good magic is the surprise thoughtfulness that brings about awed gratitude. (Like “Christmas magic”…that is actually a mixture of awed delight and gratitude.)
 
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