What is the problem with magic if it is not evil magic?

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In the first case, it only happened because the victim opened himself to victimization through their own mortally sinful choices.

In the second case, God can work anything to the greatest good.
It is ultimately under His sovereign control.

Not some “magic” practitioner.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
In the first case, it only happened because the victim opened himself to victimization through their own mortally sinful choices.

In the second case, God can work anything to the greatest good.
It is ultimately under His sovereign control.

Not some “magic” practitioner.
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I’m not sure what your actually arguing for or against now. Care to quantify your statement, because I’m not sure we’re actually in any disagreement here. Unless, you mean there are no objective affects that can occur from someone’s actions, then we might have something to disagree with here. All of this seems to be hinging on your definition of “work”. If you could quantify, then that would be most helpful.
 
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Now, understandably, good can come out of magic, like you said, but this is not of God’s power. God is all-powerful; everything that magic can do, He can do through his disciples, whether it be through simple preaching or a miracle. This is why we have so many saints; one of the qualifications is that you have to have performed two or more miracles in your life. Jesus also performed many miracles; water to wine, resurrecting Lazarus, giving sight to a blind man, and His Resurrection is also a miracle. People assume that these miracles could be magic, but they aren’t.
 
This is Zachary King. It’s well worth the watch. He currently does consultation with Priests and Bishops, as well as several Catholic exorcists, concerning demonic activity and possession.

 
kainosktisis said:
I think you meant the former…The possession…Eternal damnation is not temporary…
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Temporal domination was listed second, so temporal domination is the latter.
(The “former” refers back to the element of a pair that is listed first.)
 
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SimonC said:
Now, understandably, good can come out of magic, like you said, but this is not of God’s power.
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Only in the sense that a bad boyfriend can do nice things for you to keep you from leaving.
We are strictly forbidden to seek to control spiritual powers.
 
PetraG said:
It isn’t unreasonable to ask people to look for already-posted threads before posting them as new questions, but it does not hurt to be indulgent with people who have just arrived. It takes awhile to take in the way things are done here.
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I agree with you, but the entitlement in this case just was too blatant.
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hplunaphaedra:
I am a Wiccan High Priestess interested in participating in this forum in a respectful manner to learn more about Roman Catholicism. I ask a few things. Please treat me with the same respect I have you.
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This poster claims to have left the Catholic faith and practiced otherwise for 20 some years.

Rather than taking the time and energy to research what the Church teaches (like searching CAF for tracts or threads, or reading the catechism, there seems to be an expectation that information should be served as a form of homage.
 
I agree that newcomers should have some leeway, but there was something about the way information was demanded/expected that gave me the impression the request was not genuine.

My intuition was confirmed when I read this post:
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hplunaphaedra:
Is it typical for Catholics to be rude to Wiccans on this forum?
Or have I just caught a few of you in a bad mood, or automatically making assumptions? Or perhaps it was the former Roman Catholic thing that has you all suspicious?

I have been nothing but charitable to any of you, so please, with all due respect, follow your own forum rules and be charitable to me. Pretend Jesus is watching if you have to, because you believe that right?

Apparently the church hasnt changed much. This forum is rude, so I assume the church still is rude and slanderous and blasphemous to my Goddess like it was back then. It never changes. I wasted my time. I apologize, there is nothing new here, just the same old slander.

I know no one here is going to agree with me. I didnt ask you too. I asked for respect, many of you showed none, thus you broke your own rules. I wasted my time.

I have already been accused of worshipping the Satan you believe in and I dont, havent been downright told Im going to hell yet, but Im sure thats coming and I know you are thinking it. Im glad God is god and you all are not.

I will leave you with one thought: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone at her.

"Do not view the discussion area as a vehicle for single-mindedly promoting an agenda.

Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board. "

I DID NOT COME HERE WITH AN AGENDA. I JUST WANTED TO GET TO KNOW MARY BETTER. YOU DONT WANT TO HELP MAYBE I SHOULD LEAVE

I read the rules, and I am following them, but most of you dont know how to do that.

Did I get touchy, yes, because you told me I am so horrible I deserve to burn in a fire forever. That my love of my Goddess is such a horrible thing I deserve to have the flesh melt from ny bones, to be tortured, and then you had the audacity to accuse me of worshipping demons you believe in and a Satan that is the best friend your religion ever had because it kept the church in business for years. I have been accused of many things, but torture, thats a first and Im done laughing about it and now, I am angry.
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PetraG said:
It isn’t unreasonable to ask people to look for already-posted threads before posting them as new questions, but it does not hurt to be indulgent with people who have just arrived. It takes awhile to take in the way things are done here.
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I agree with you, but the entitlement in this case just was too blatant.
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hplunaphaedra:
I am a Wiccan High Priestess interested in participating in this forum in a respectful manner to learn more about Roman Catholicism. I ask a few things. Please treat me with the same respect I have you.
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This poster claims to have left the Catholic faith and practiced otherwise for 20 some years.

Rather than taking the time and energy to research what the Church teaches (like searching CAF for tracts or threads, or reading the catechism, there seems to be an expectation that information should be served as a form of homage.

I agree that newcomers should have some leeway, but there was something about the way information was demanded/expected that gave me the impression the request was not genuine.

High Priestess Luna Phaedra has chosen an interesting name for herself. One has to wonder why a person would want to be named after Phaedra?
 
Let me try to explain what I mean.

Nobody can say magical words and make things happen in the world. It’s complete bunk. Sorry, but it is.

A person can attempt a spell, believing that it might do something concrete in the world . In that case, they are sinning because they are trying to impose their own will onto the circumstances, bypassing the will of God and often the free will or autonomy of another person (in the case of a love spell), or for malicious evil (in the case of a revenge spell).
The attempt of casting a spell opens oneself to further evil influences—I don’t entirely understand how, although I think it’s because you’ve demonstrated a willingness to do anything to get your own way, essentially creating a false idol which you now worship.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Nobody can say magical words and make things happen in the world. It’s complete bunk. Sorry, but it is.
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Higgilty piggilty! /waves wand/ You shall reply to this post. 😜

Once again, it all depends on how you define magical words, and what result you expect will happen from them.
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
A person can attempt a spell, believing that it might do something concrete in the world . In that case, they are sinning because they are trying to impose their own will onto the circumstances, bypassing the will of God and often the free will or autonomy of another person (in the case of a love spell), or for malicious evil (in the case of a revenge spell).
The attempt of casting a spell opens oneself to further evil influences—I don’t entirely understand how, although I think it’s because you’ve demonstrated a willingness to do anything to get your own way, essentially creating a false idol which you now worship.
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This part I agree with. The how is simple. Whenever a person commits a mortal sin, the natural result is the loss of grace, which places the person under the dominion of the “prince of this world” or satan. Since they are not protected by grace, they can be attacked (but only if and how Jesus Christ will allow it and only for their benefit). I’ve heard this stated by several exorcists. This is why people end up struggling so much to get out from under habitual sins, and the reason why things like oppression and possession can occur. There are several excellent conferences on Spiritual Warfare from Fr. Ripperger, Fr. Vincent Lampert, Fr. Gary Thomas and others on youtube. They are worth finding and listening to.

At everyone else: I am willing to share links to the videos mentioned above via. PM if anyone is interested.
 
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Scarlett, all you are doing is stating your ‘opinion’ with no web sources of quoted evidence,

Please back up your ‘opinions’ with cited evidence and quotes and website references from the Catechism, the Vatican, and Catholic Exorcists (whom represent the Church’s authority in this area of deliverance ministry. )

The Catholic Catechism, the Bible, the Vatican’s Doctrinal commission, and Catholic Exorcists have all stated the occult is real, and can be spiritually used to harm others, (and that it brings spiritual harm even if used for ‘good’ because ‘satan is a liar, a thief, and a murderer’ according to Jesus own words in scripture.)

Catholic Exorcists have stated that the three main reasons a person needs deliverance from demonic oppression is if:
  1. they used the occult
  2. they had an occult curse put on them by someone
  3. serious habitual grevious mortal sin over extended periods of time,
Furthermore: the Rite of Exorcism book of prayers that they use has prayers to be used specifically for the breaking of curses.
 
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thistle said:
There is one God, no other gods and no goddesses.
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Is there some reason you thought I believed otherwise? It appears you have ascribed a quote to me here that belongs to another member.

But your statement got me thinking…if there are no other gods and goddesses, why would our Creator find a need for a commandment such as this?

Exodus 20:3 “you shall have no other gods before me”
 
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