what is the REAL reason why protestants reject mary?

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4given said:
Whatever y’all say. I’m in the minority here. The future will tell.
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This is your best response? Sheesh!

So if we fail to collapse into abject submission to the errors of the reformation and their step children then you cannot discuss with us?

Make your case if you have one…
Pax tecum,
 
4given said:
Whatever you want, or are told, to believe. I can’t share those beliefs.

bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm
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Uh huh - St Catherine’s Monastery in Sinai, was ROMAN CATHOLIC for some 600-odd years after the Codex Sinaiticus was written. The Orthodox had not yet parted ways with the Latin (Roman) Catholics - all were one under the headship of the Popes until that time. All were in essence Roman Catholic - it didn’t even become necessary to use the distinguishing term ‘Roman’ until after the schism between Catholics and Orthodox in the 1000s AD.

So it can’t be claimed the Roman Catholic Church was never in possession of the Codex Sinaiticus. And the site you link to is untrustworthy.
 
Church_Militant said:
This is your best response? Sheesh!

So if we fail to collapse into abject submission to the errors of the reformation and their step children then you cannot discuss with us?

Make your case if you have one…
Pax tecum,
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Ach, mon, ye stir the Scot reformer within me! Why do I get dragged into these arguments?

We fear that in going to the loving arms of Mary ye abandon the cause of Christ, putting your salvation in trust in her rather than Him, and that Catholics amply demonstrate that that fear is justified, more in practice than in teaching.

We fear that ye lose Christ in a forest of other things, notably Mary, and that hyperdoulia is but a pretext for idolatry, as it is sometimes hard again to differentiate the practice from the teaching, especially in the face of false teaching that is so prevalent within the Catholic Church, and even worse, syncretistic practices, even reported on CAF threads, wherein Marian worship is corrected by knowledgeable Catholics. The Protestant asks himself if it is sometimes corrected, what about where it is not? Though you strike down one of these idolatrous saplings, we fear the forest is not yet cleared.

We see kekharitmone and note all your arguments, compelling to a point, and what ye do with Revelation 12, and the rest, but we simply do not find them convinving, we Protestants, because the kit does not conform to the great cry of the Reformation, that salvation is through Christ alone, and ye have insisted it is through Mary first, and then through Christ, and that we cannot live with.

We acknowledge Mary is the Mother of God, we do, but we fear ye turn her into God the Mother. We see her as a godly woman; ye seem to turn her into the Mother God. No Catholic, you respond, believes she is divine, and then we find her to be called All-holy, Mother of mercies, who can hear every prayer directed to her, our joy, our clemency, our sweetness, and our light, and so in the austerity of our faith we maintain that God alone is all-holy, Father of mercies, who hears and acts on our prayers, our joy, our clemency, our sweetness, that Jesus is our Light.

So the Catholics argue that we have no room for her in the inn of our hearts, we anti-Marians, and shut the Mother of God out, and it seems that that is good to us. We are trying to be faithful to our God, and hold fast to what He has told us in His Word, only to be told we are mean to His mother, mean to our Mother, etc.

Ye have probably read some of my posts about Mary, and know that my Presbyterianism is a wild thing, as wild as the north wind on the North sea, and that whom God chooses to honor we should honor, and that even from the Bible alone Mary should have more honor, in my view, than Protestants typically grant her, and God has the right to do things without having put it in the Bible, even though it may be obliquely referred to, and if He wanted to make her Queen of Heaven, because He rewards people for their lives on earth, and hers was exemplary, so that her reward must be also, that is fine with me. I ain’t gonna argue with the Boss.

Mary, as I have said, is a whole lot easier to deal with doctrinally if you ever happen to meet her. She is the kind of person who, if God made her your mother and queen of the universe and all the other stuff the Catholics in their enthusiasm load her with, ye really ought to just stand up and cheer about. Not fear.
 
Has anyone submitted to the “if we have misrepresented anything about the Roman Catholic Church” button yet that is on that link our Protestant brother here provided we are all discussing now?

I shure did and if they send out some hit men for me you will know why if I drop off the boards within the week. :eek:
 
Damascus said:
Has anyone submitted to the “if we have misrepresented anything about the Roman Catholic Church” button yet that is on that link our Protestant brother here provided we are all discussing now?

I shure did and if they send out some hit men for me you will know why if I drop off the boards within the week. :eek:
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Damascus said:
Has anyone submitted to the “if we have misrepresented anything about the Roman Catholic Church” button yet that is on that link our Protestant brother here provided we are all discussing now?

I shure did and if they send out some hit men for me you will know why if I drop off the boards within the week. :eek:
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i say that they have missrepresented the catholic church the miniute they denied it as the true church
 
Damascus said:
:hmmm: Indeed. Why are you?:rolleyes:

ITs not like you will get 56 different responses from Catholics! I bet I can outside of the Catholic Church on any topic.

You are right, I did forget a few on that list!

Maybe 60.

To vote or not to vote?
To be allowed into the military or not?
To be allowed to be a politician or not?
To have female priests/pastors or not?
To have a creed or not?
To use buttons or zippers on your clothes or not?
To get an abortion or not? And in what conditions?
To use ABC or not?
To have communion weekly or not?
To have communion at all?
To believe in the Real Presence or not?
To use bread or crackers?
To use wine or grape juice?
To pray with non christians or not?
To use aids to the bible or not?
To Celebrate Christmas in Church or at home?
To have priests or not?
To go door to door or not?
To be restricted to celebrate holidays or not and which ones?
To allow divorce or not?
To baptize infants or not?
To baptize a second time or not?
To handle snakes or not?
To be a member of the Masons or not?
To have punishments handed down or not? (getting kicked out- like an excommunication)
To have a tithe requirement or not?
To attend other faiths services or not? which ones yes and which ones no?And if so can it replace your sunday obligation?
To have a sunday obligation?
Recite the Our Father or not in worship service?
Repetitive prayers ok, or not?
Insence or not?
Candles or not?
Crucifix or Cross?
Baptize dead by proxy or not?
7 Sacraments or 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6? or just one? or none?
speaking in tongues or not?
interfaith marriage ok or not?
marriage outside of the Church ok or not?
fasting yes or no?
almsgiving- required?
evangelize or not?
Only one version of the Bible allowed or several?
Medical treatment or not?
Mary and related questions may be 20 questions right there and not all the same answers.
Personal interpretation of scripture allowed totally?
Is a rejection of the Trinity acceptable or required to believe in to be considered Christian?
I can come up with more… Maybe the number is even higher than I thought:(

Sorry ALL FOR HIM!

And you forgot:

Same sex marriage or not
Pray to saints or not
Wear a scapular or not
Have statues, icons or pictures or not
Have a blood transfusion or not
Have holy water or not
Have holy oil or not
Have anointing of the sick or not
Be a vegetarian or not
Have a home altar or not
Be baptised only in the river or not
Allow pierced ears or earrings on children or not
Actual exorcism in a church or done by any lay person in the Radisson Hotel
Celibacy or not
Have consecrated bread at home or not
Wheat, rice or tofu hosts or not
Miracles and apparitions or not
Holy shrines such as Fatima or not
Heaven is your own planet or not
Pope is infallible or not
Magesterium is infallible or not
Independent bishops or not
Polygamy, bigamy, monogamy or not

😃

ALCOHOL use or NOT?
Smoking oK?
Drug usage? Is it wrong?

Heaven on earth in paradise? or not?
Predestination or not?

Gambling? Or did I already put that one on?
Homeshooling required or no?
Mom can work or no?
Can women preach it? or teach it?
I think there are plenty more I am missing here.

Porn, nude modeling OK? Or not?

Why all the confusion? :rolleyes:
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14 more. To be confused or to be amused. That is the question.
You also forgot-

Under infant and adult baptism-
Sprinkling with water, full immersion, or dry?

Original sin or no original sin
Is it inherited or not
Does the Holy Spirit proceed from, through, or with God?
Relics or no relics?
Marriage outside of the faith or not?
Physical restoration of Temple Mount or not
The temple of the Holy Spirit is within us or physically in Israel?
To rapture or not to rapture?
To leave the car idling or to turn off due to environmental reasons?
Animal civil rights or no
Animal equal rights or no
Embryonic stem cell research or no
To have African American Deacons or only white.

I am on a roll now.

Ecumenical or no
Evolution or no
Literal Genesis or no
First Cause or no
God was God first and then for our sake became man or in the case of mormons-
God was man first who for his own sake became God. (Now I am confused)
God the Father has no father. Or as in the case of mormons-
God had many fathers before he became God.

Are we done yet?
 
Speak to apostates or not? Who can and who cant and why?
House Churches? yes or no?
Music or not in service?
Tattos taboo or art? or not an issue?
Beards on priests or not?
Beards on Bishops? Patriarchs?
Yes or no?
Use of internet ok or dangerous?
Communion for menstruating women or NOT?
Date for Easter same for all or not?
 
Damascus said:
Speak to apostates or not? Who can and who cant and why?
House Churches? yes or no?
Music or not in service?
Tattos taboo or art? or not an issue?
Beards on priests or not?
Beards on Bishops? Patriarchs?
Yes or no?
Use of internet ok or dangerous?
Communion for menstruating women or NOT?
Date for Easter same for all or not?
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Jews can go to Heaven or no
Muslims can go to heaven or no
And my personal favorite-
Catholics can go to Heaven or no

Confess to God only or no
Confess to a priest or no
Confess or no

Repentance necessary for forgiveness or no
Able to sin after being born again or no
Works necessary or no
Sola Fide or no
Celebrate a birthday or no
Celebrate Father’s day, Mother’s day or no
Use Dad’s first name or no
Use Dad’s given name instead or no
Call Dad Dad or no
Sabbath on Friday only? Saturday only? Sunday only? Everyday only?
Memorial of Christ once a year, every month, every week
Pilgrimage to Holy Land required or no
Okay to paint holy pictures or no
Say God’s name or no
God’s name is Yahweh, Jesus Christ, I AM, Jehovah, She, God, Lord, Elijah, all of the above, none of the above, some of the above.

We are on a roll here, Damascus.😃
 
The real question here becomes —

Who has figured all this out correctly?

I will think about it and ask Mary for some help with this one.
 
She told me its due to a lack of a central authority and reminded me that Isalm has the same problem. She is working on that one too.😉
 
Damascus said:
She told me its due to a lack of a central authority and reminded me that Isalm has the same problem. She is working on that one too.😉
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Do you know what number we are up to now? 100 or more? I lost count.😃
 
tequilamac said:
Do you know what number we are up to now? 100 or more? I lost count.😃
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Unfortunately, I dont know if we SCRATCHED the surface here yet.

How about education requirements to be a pastor/priestess/minister/?
How about avoiding higher education because the world will end soon?
How about dietary restrictions from the OT?
How about what happens when you cant go to Church? Is it a sin or not?
How does one evaluate sins? Or should they?
 
Damascus said:
Unfortunately, I dont know if we SCRATCHED the surface here yet.

How about education requirements to be a pastor/priestess/minister/?
How about avoiding higher education because the world will end soon?
How about dietary restrictions from the OT?
How about what happens when you cant go to Church? Is it a sin or not?
How does one evaluate sins? Or should they?
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I don’t know.

Can a woman wear slacks to church or no?
Church service in latin, venacular or no?
Praise masses or no?
Dance during church or no?
Children in church or in another room?
 
tequilamac said:
I don’t know.

Can a woman wear slacks to church or no?
Church service in latin, venacular or no?
Praise masses or no?
Dance during church or no?
Children in church or in another room?
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I ask you, WWJD? or What DID he do for crying out loud people!!!

He did not want anarchy! THe “Good Fruit” of Protestant thought indeed!😛
 
Damascus said:
I ask you, WWJD? or What DID he do for crying out loud people!!!

He did not want anarchy! THe “Good Fruit” of Protestant thought indeed!😛
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Well we have offered over 100 reasons to agree with all the anti christs. I mean excuse me the anti catholics. But really soon or later we have to take a look at the opposition. For instance:

Catholics: God is the First Cause of all things.
Mormons: God had a father actually many fathers. Before God existed there were intelligences.

Catholics:God was always God but for our sake became man
Mormons: God was a man first who for his own sake became God.

A little too oppositional for my taste.

But the root cause? Really. What do they all have in common after all? A distaste, or disrespect, or disregard for the Holy Mother of God in one form or another.
 
tequilamac said:
Well we have offered over 100 reasons to agree with all the anti christs. I mean excuse me the anti catholics. But really soon or later we have to take a look at the opposition. For instance:

Catholics: God is the First Cause of all things.
Mormons: God had a father actually many fathers. Before God existed there were intelligences.

Catholics:God was always God but for our sake became man
Mormons: God was a man first who for his own sake became God.

A little too oppositional for my taste.

But the root cause? Really. What do they all have in common after all? A distaste, or disrespect, or disregard for the Holy Mother of God in one form or another.
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I think it was said that to deny even one aspect of CHRIST is to deny him in entirety.

:eek:

And this root you mention is the root of all chaos.
 
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