What is the sin with the worst (long-term) consequences (to the soul)?

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distracted said:
Oh please! You have to be kidding

What I was protesting was you saying that the priest didn’t know any more than you did and only God knows if that person will go to hell.
Perhaps I misunderstood but I took that to imply that a priest could not preach on the mind of Jesus. That they could not preach the spirit of the law as well as the letter (catechism). I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not closely read my prior postings before you commented.

the church teaches that no one knows who is in Hell…

The legalistic view that you and others have put forth imply that you know a person is going to hell if they die with an unrepented mortal sin on their soul regardless of how they spent the rest of their life.
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momor:
ever prayed about that antagonistic spirit you seem to have???
 
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mormor:
The legalistic view that you and others have put forth imply that you know a person is going to hell if they die with an unrepented mortal sin on their soul regardless of how they spent the rest of their life.
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You seem to be thinking of a mortal sin as an action alone. It is more than that. It is an action taken with “full knowledge” and “full consent.” Only God can judge the heart and determine if the person truly had full knowledge. We could guess based on what we know, but there isn’t often much value in that. Also, God alone knows whether we repent in our hearts truly and perfectly before we die. The Church teaches that either Confession or “perfect contrition” can save a soul ensnared by mortal sin. We can’t judge the souls of people. We should pray for them though, and we have an obligation to take good care of our own souls and seek growth in the love of God and our neighbors.
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mormor:
What I was protesting was you saying that the priest didn’t know any more than you did
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Some priests do deviate from Church teaching on various points, throwing their own spin in on theology that is contrary to Tradition. I watched on television as Pope John Paul II censured a priest publicly for doing that.

On this particular point, your priest was wrong. One mortal sin is indeed enough to take a soul to Hell. That is official Church teaching, and that trumps the opinion of any priest who strays from it. The Tradition is what cannot make mistakes, not individual priests. It is the infallible teaching that has been passed on to us from the apostles, teaching that never changes or errs. Priests have the responsibility to pass it on faithfully, and I’m not saying your priest is a bad man or an unfaithful Catholic. I’m just saying that on this point he isn’t teaching what the Church teaches and consequently is mistaken.

That’s all that can be said with objective knowledge.
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mormor:
and only God knows if that person will go to hell.
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That is true; we don’t know for sure whether a person is going to Hell or not when they die. Mortal sins are not actions alone, but rather are rendered mortal by the attitude of the heart. How much of the truth does the soul know, which it rejects by taking the bad course of action? How fully is the soul consenting to what they are doing? And does the soul perform a perfect contrition just before death? People don’t usually feel “perfect” contrition, but sometimes it happens. We can’t judge those matters. Only God can. So we can’t know whether a soul that dies goes to Heaven or Hell, though we can guess, and we’ll probably make some mistakes when we do, but the way people live their lives (faithful to the Church’s teachings and God’s charity or unfaithful) can be an indicator. Though that is not foolproof, as we cannot judge the heart like God can.

The fact is we don’t know where people end up when they die, except the canonized saints.
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mormor:
Perhaps I misunderstood but I took that to imply that a priest could not preach on the mind of Jesus. That they could not preach the spirit of the law as well as the letter (catechism). I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not closely read my prior postings before you commented.
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The Catechism is not just a law. It is the law of charity, the nature of charity, and deviating from it is contrary to the nature of love because everything it teaches is love. Deviating from the infallible guidance of Tradition is reckless disobedience, especially if one does this with full knowledge and consent of what one is doing. This is because deviating from the Church’s teachings is deviating from Christ’s teachings. As He said to His disciples, “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me.” Priests are appointed to their ministry with the purpose of passing on the Church’s teaching faithfully so that the faithful will hold to it and not fall into error. That is one of the great reasons for their authority.

When they deviate from the Church’s teaching on some point of doctrine, that is consequently very sad. Not something we have a right to judge the priest for, and who knows whether the priest has full knowledge of the authority of Tradition, the nature of Tradition on this point of teaching and of his obligation to it? We can’t know that. Priests sometimes make mistakes also out of ignorance, because they give their opinion on some matter where they don’t know or remember the Church’s teaching, rather than going and getting out their Catechism or other official source.
 
This gives Catholics a bad name. When I read “they all land you in Hell” I knew I had to respond.

Isn’t Catholicism moving away from Puritanical thinking, such as seeing sin and the Devil in everything? For God’s sakes, I read people posting how they worry about watching certain TV shows or if it’s a mortal sin to drive five over the speed limit.

Chill out! Live your life! Concentrate on things that actually matter and that God would actually want, like treating everyone in a good way and being patient and loving. Worry about the important stuff, people, not if you’ve masturbated a few times.
 
alongexpected said:
This gives Catholics a bad name. When I read “they all land you in Hell” I knew I had to respond.

Isn’t Catholicism moving away from Puritanical thinking, such as seeing sin and the Devil in everything? For God’s sakes, I read people posting how they worry about watching certain TV shows or if it’s a mortal sin to drive five over the speed limit.

Chill out! Live your life! Concentrate on things that actually matter and that God would actually want, like treating everyone in a good way and being patient and loving. Worry about the important stuff, people, not if you’ve masturbated a few times.
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Oh, boy - you’re gonna get hammered now!

But I’m with you; the mindset you described is one of the reasons I left the Church.
 
alongexpected said:
This gives Catholics a bad name. When I read “they all land you in Hell” I knew I had to respond.

Isn’t Catholicism moving away from Puritanical thinking, such as seeing sin and the Devil in everything? For God’s sakes, I read people posting how they worry about watching certain TV shows or if it’s a mortal sin to drive five over the speed limit.

Chill out! Live your life! Concentrate on things that actually matter and that God would actually want, like treating everyone in a good way and being patient and loving. Worry about the important stuff, people, not if you’ve masturbated a few times.
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Goodie Goodie Gumdrops, more moral relativism.
 
Lief_Erikson said:
…Priests are appointed to their ministry with the purpose of passing on the Church’s teaching faithfully so that the faithful will hold to it and not fall into error. That is one of the great reasons for their authority.

When they deviate from the Church’s teaching on some point of doctrine, that is consequently very sad. Not something we have a right to judge the priest for, and who knows whether the priest has full knowledge of the authority of Tradition, the nature of Tradition on this point of teaching and of his obligation to it? We can’t know that. Priests sometimes make mistakes also out of ignorance, because they give their opinion on some matter where they don’t know or remember the Church’s teaching, rather than going and getting out their Catechism or other official source.
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I guess you don’t think a priest knows more than you either, in fact less so in this case.
If you personally knew of the holiness of the priest I was speaking of you would be ashamed of your arrogance. Then again, maybe not.
 
distracted said:
I have been wondering about this for some time…

not sure what my answer is yet… they all seem SO bad…:hypno::hmmm:
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The answer has probably been staring you in the face…

Ready??

The fully consented and unrepented sin.

Ta-daaaaaaaaaaa.
 
mangy_dog said:
The answer has probably been staring you in the face…

Ready??

The fully consented and unrepented sin.

Ta-daaaaaaaaaaa.
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***actually i think believing in OSAS is the sin with the worst consequences… ***
 
***no wait…

believing there is no such thing as sin is the worst… ***
 
Looking at all the Poll Options I would say there is one sin that ties all the listed Poll Options together. It’s the same SIN that got Lucifer the Archangel (“SATAN”) thrown out of heaven in a flash of lightning. Namely; PRIDE.
 
centurionguard said:
Looking at all the Poll Options I would say there is one sin that ties all the listed Poll Options together. It’s the same SIN that got Lucifer the Archangel (“SATAN”) thrown out of heaven in a flash of lightning. Namely; PRIDE.
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yes i should have menitoned that one because it leads to the unforgivable sin… not repenting…

but when i wrote that… i was thinking of sins that Christians could fall into… people who had already repented… but were back sliding… didn’t realize i was thinking along those lines until i read your post…

hmmm…
 
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