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If you are seriously interested in the subject an excellent and easy to understand book is:I have never in my 40 plus years ever had a clear answer or one that I can understand anyway on why the jewish population rejects Jesus Christ. I find it so very sad.
All I have ever heard is that they think he is not the messiah.
But no one has ever been able to explain it to me in DUMMIE terms.
But I always find it interesting that there are jewish people out there who put up Christmas trees. shrugs
26 Reasons why Jews don’t believe in Jesus by Asher Norman
Large extracts of the book may be read for free on google books:
books.google.co.il/books?id=tx5qrKz6dRMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=iw&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Yes, its been a long road and one that I know that God has kept me quite busy. When I was a kid, I use to like to walk for hours - so I thought I would go visit my grandmother. I knew the route from driving in the car with my mother. When I was about 3/4th of the way there some kids in a car drove up next to me and asked if I wanted a lift - it seemed so easy to get into the car and have them drive me the rest of the way, but…I thought, I walked this far I can make it the rest of the way. When I finally got to my grandparents house, I could remember my grandmother at the kitchen stove cooking dinner for my grandfather and my uncles.
It took me half the day to get there - but, all I had to do was follow the routes. We have all the tools/directions to follow God - in the end, all paths lead but in one direction.
Shalom, Meltzerboy! There’s the truth.
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thechristianrabbi.org/index.htm
You guys might find this link interesting. The site is about a Rabbi who converted to Christianity. He claims to find evidence of the trinity in the Zohar. I have heard of other Kabalists who have converted to Christianity after studying Kabbalah…then again some have supposedly gone insane from Kabbalah study as well
Christians like Pico de Mirandola developed a kind of Christian “Cabala” in order to prove the trinity. Something to do with the Shekinah and Metatron, etc.
You guys might find this link interesting. The site is about a Rabbi who converted to Christianity. He claims to find evidence of the trinity in the Zohar. I have heard of other Kabalists who have converted to Christianity after studying Kabbalah…then again some have supposedly gone insane from Kabbalah study as well
Christians like Pico de Mirandola developed a kind of Christian “Cabala” in order to prove the trinity. Something to do with the Shekinah and Metatron, etc.
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…and yes, I would stay away from it, as a personal note. There are kabbalist that are a division of Hasidic group - European (some from eastern and western) and then there are other divisions of Kabbalist, that have had their split, Satmar (Hasidic dynasty). (Satmar succession feud)thechristianrabbi.org/index.htm
You guys might find this link interesting. The site is about a Rabbi who converted to Christianity. He claims to find evidence of the trinity in the Zohar. I have heard of other Kabalists who have converted to Christianity after studying Kabbalah…then again some have supposedly gone insane from Kabbalah study as well
Christians like Pico de Mirandola developed a kind of Christian “Cabala” in order to prove the trinity. Something to do with the Shekinah and Metatron, etc.
Satmar - are very well educated in both Kabbalah and in Torah, as much as the Hasidic groups. Although, there are many stories that circulate around about the effects of Kabbalah, and granted this is something that is eventually taught to Torah student - in their education. A much wider range of study is taught to specific students - and certain Rabbi’s only take in a few students. Now, there is the Haredi - a much different group:Haredi Judaism comprises a diversity of spiritual and cultural orientations, generally divided into Hasidic and Lithuanian-Yeshiva streams from Eastern Europe, and Oriental Sephardic Haredim. Its historical rejection of Jewish secularism distinguishes it from Western European-derived Modern Orthodox Judaism.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_Judaism
When you watch the movie, the Chosen - starring Robby Benson, he is really Jewish however, he’s not Orthodox but he’s plays the role of a Satmar - not a Hasidic.
Read:
Kabbalah and Hasidism: myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theology/Kabbalah_and_Mysticism/Kabbalah_and_Hasidism.shtml
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Which of these things, and why?
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Meltzerboy----
Yes, I think I know what you mean about “…as well as story context concerning what exactly these prophets were talking about.” I had spoken of listening to Rabbi Tovia Singer (about 15 years ago) on another thread; he was helpful to me as far as challenging whatever assumptions I may have had about some reasons why Jews generally don’t believe Jesus to be the messiah.
I thought Rabbi Singer’s strength was in providing a story context for the Messianic and eschatological vision of the Hebrew prophets, which I will admit in some ways seems difficult to mesh with the NT eschatological vision. He gave me much food for thought, and helped me, I believe, be less intrusive and assuming when it comes to wondering why people believe the diverse things that we do.
It also seemed to me that in studying Christianity as unsympathetically as he does, he understands it a great deal less accurately than he assumes he does. I would say the same of, for example, Protestants who study up on Catholicism mainly with the intent of finding what’s wrong with it, and likewise Catholics who expend energy in reading up on Protestant thinking for the purpose of finding what’s wrong with it. So, that’s no unique failing of Rabbi Singer.
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Erudite information, as always, MorningSong, and much appreciated. Some of the non-Hasidic Haredim are pushing for not allowing their flock to use the Internet as it is a reflection of secular culture. Television was strongly discouraged years ago. Insofar as the film, The Chosen, is concerned, note too the magnificent acting of Rod Steiger, the Satmar father and rabbi (?), who was in real life Lutheran.
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LOL…yes, I know! I looked and looked again - is that Rod Steiger playing a Satmar father?
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Hi Bezant,
Are you asking me, which of the things in Kabbalah to stay away from? and why? O.K, The way that I feel (and just giving this a thought - again) and coming from a side point of view. I’m going to give you an example, the Levites - and definition:
“It was a natural development, therefore, that the task of the Levite became to accompany the Divine Presence and serve in the Temple. His role as teacher and spiritual example is to lead and, thereby, accompany others back to their spiritual purpose. The Midrash relates that in the future, Levites will lead the people of Israel back to their Father in Heaven.”
Right now I walking on egg shells - on this part. Certain aspects, I disagree with totally - you can’t take something out of what has been ordained, if this is understandable. An example, an easy one, at work there are position of authority as well as a non authority position, each person is responsible for their work - the flow of how the business runs. You can’t interchange the responsibility of another. (that’s one thought) and another is this, the law - law according to how the people should live, in a physical world, right? What are the laws that pertain to in a spiritual world - ? There are none - none, that we’re aware of… There have been “Alot” of questions regarding certain aspects of this mysticism - and the laws pertaining to it.
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John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"
Another quote - as to verify that the Messiah is considered to be called one of the sons of God - 1 Chronicles 28:
4 “Yet the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the tribe of Judah he chose my family, and from my father’s sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel. 5 Of all my sons—and the LORD has given me many—he has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. 6 He said to me: ‘Solomon your son is the one who will build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 I will establish his kingdom forever if he is unswerving in carrying out my commands and laws, as is being done at this time.’
8 “So now I charge you in the sight of all Israel and of the assembly of the LORD, and in the hearing of our God: Be careful to follow all the commands of the LORD your God, that you may possess this good land and pass it on as an inheritance to your descendants forever.
That’s why I can’t understand how the future Messiah could only be human without being divine? Look and also read about any prophet, and including Moses - even from the perspective of the 70 elders. In the passage, (Beha’alothekha - ) - God tells Moses to gather 70 elders, so that God could come down and put some of the spirit that rested on Moses upon them, so that they might share the burden of the people. (Numbers 11:16–17.) and even so, Exodus 34:29 When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands, he was not aware that his face was radiant because he had spoken with the Lord. 30 When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, his face was radiant, and they were afraid to come near him.
Any prophet - even Samuel, who had chosen the Messiah Saul and David - actually was the first prophet who chose the Messiah. If you read about these prophets, it was impossible (starting at first) that they had seemed to be leaders - and yet, look what God had developed and instructed - to become leaders of the people. Look even, from a Christian point of view, the apostles - even, in Paul.
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