What is wrong with the west?

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I disagree. First off, I don’t think that the whole abortion debate would’ve reared it’s ugly head because the instability that Kennedy’s assassination provided would be absent.
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You have to remember, it was a several dissent priests who convinced the Kennedys that they could be personally against abortion but politically support it. JFK and RFK were not theologians or more devout Catholics than the rest of the family. So it’s easy to assume that the dissenting priests would have been able to convince Jack & Bobby too. After all, if the priests convinced their mother, I’m sure Jack & Bobby would have fallen in line, just like Ted did.

http://patrickmadrid.com/sons-of-pe...lic-priests-turned-the-kennedys-pro-abortion/


And here is a great blog post from Bishop Barron (still a priest back then) Sen. Kennedy, Abortion, and the Party of the Little Guy

And this is a good article too: Library : The Enduring Costs of John F. Kennedy's Compromise | Catholic Culture

God Bless
 
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I never knew. Well then why weren’t the Kennedys excommunicated?
 
Oh. So then why weren’t the members of the clergy excommunicated?
 
I believe it is from a couple things: 1. because most Christians are not meeting the secular world on an intellectual level 2. The modern secular idea of masculinity is sleeping with as many women as possible, being hostile and violent toward others, and earning money to spend selfishly. 3. Marginalized people are not in a hurry to feel extra shame/guilt after a life of oppression, hence you don’t get converts from those most in need of God
 
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Like other commenters, I can’t choose from the list.

The reason being that they are symptoms and not causes.

As for causes, I offer two quotes:
“CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.” - “The Devil’s Dictionary”, Ambrose Bierce
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“I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It is just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - attributed to Ghandi (but there is no original evidence for it).
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I don’t deny the difficulty of living a true Christian life, but this is not a modern phenomenon. Saint Paul wrote about it in Corinthians:
“I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?” - 1 Corinthians 1:10-13
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goodcatholic said:
What is wrong with the west?

Embracing the East and influenced by its culture and values.
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Depends on what part of the East you are talking about. In Russia, the Eastern Orthodox Church has grown stronger and stronger with support from President Vladimir Putin. In 1988, there were 6000 Russian Orthodox parishes in Russia, whereas today there are more than 36000, or an increase of 600%. Recently the top news item on Russian state television was the fact that President Putin was commemorating the baptism of Christ. With temperatures of minus 30 degrees Celsius, Putin made the sign of the cross and jumped into a cross shaped hole cut into the icy waters of Lake Seliger.
 
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Modern culture in the West is very individualistic, many of us relocate and aren’t able to live near family and friends, many of us work too much to have the time to form new meaningful relationships. We have to be tough and independent to cope with this.

Organised religion may not appeal to people with this mindset even if they are open to spirituality.
 
Isn’t the secular world so busy, little time to stand still and collect ones thoughts of what is truly important in ones life. So many people are blinded, 2 Corinthians 4:4, states that Satan blinds those of the unbelievers.
 
I think it is a perfect storm of things: relativism, cultural Marxism, poor catechesis. But a key factor in my mind is materialism. It simply is true that when people have not only all the necessities of life but all their “wants” satisfied, they no longer feel any need for salvation. If you have no sense of needing to be saved (from what? many people will ask) you don’t need a savior. Of course people often feel something is wrong that needs fixing, but then they just take a pill or a therapy class or go on Whole30 or something.
 
Your Mum would be the exception to the rule. My mum left school at 13 or 14. Little or no education. No training in anything. Housewife, house bound looking after 7 kids. She did part time work in her 40s and 50s, mainly labouring jobs like cleaning. I think she would have aimed higher if she was born a baby boomer instead of raising 7 of them. 🙂
 
Yes, the early 1960s. Bad things were gearing up in 1966 and the great assault against religion and morality began in 1968.
 
You cant fix it. It was foreordained by God that in the latter days these things would happen. To fix it you would have to change Christ’s revelations.
 
We are to hope always and do what we can to expose evil and inform all people. Finally, don’t participate with evil. Avoid it.

Exodus 23:2:

New International Version
“Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd,”

New Living Translation
“You must not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you are called to testify in a dispute, do not be swayed by the crowd to twist justice.”

English Standard Version
“You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice,”
 
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