What is wrong with the west?

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I know that I can’t fix it. The best that I can hope for is to delay it, kinda like what Judea did.
 
These are only mere symptoms of the others and some, like the Alt-Right, came about because of the aggression on the left so now we have a new aggressive right, which didn’t exist before in recent history (in terms of decades). If you shout to someone “you’re stupid,” “you’re a monster,” “you’re so full of hate” and so on, eventually you will get exactly what you want, particularly when you try to silence and humiliate your opposition constantly. This is happening in both Europe and America now. Regrettably, this can only result in a further radicalization of the left. Both movements are highly deluded and hold no true solutions to the worlds problems.
However, the lack of faith isn’t the result of the left or the right. I believe it is the Church itself, which has corrupted itself. The horrors of the Second World War left the Western Church in a position where it couldn’t answer to many horrors which had taken place, shaking the faith of millions and allowing existentialism to seep in funded, promoted and aided by some of the most villainous people to walk this earth to be sure who took full advantage of a disaster they helped to create. Western Christianity, rather than combating this problem accomodated it, diluting the Gospel message to a point that many “churches” are no longer “churches” but social clubs claiming to be Christian. Vatican II is one example of this watering down process, as well as the many Protestant denominations and how they change their theology every ten seconds to fit the times and seasons.
In the east however, this is not much of an issue or at least doesn’t seem to be. Even after communism and all of its genocides, terrors and attempts to annihilate the Orthodox Church, today you see a complete reverse in east and west. The west gave in to what the east was forced at gun point to give in to without firing a shot. Eastern Europe and Russia are some of the most Christian places on this earth today and their numbers are only growing in these regions.
The West’s Christian decline has nothing to do with scientific advancements or even social issues, of course those have been manipulated into being the case leading millions astray, but it’s the Church itself. That’s my opinion anyway. I don’t mean to offend anyone BTW, this is only my opinion and I feel very strongly about it. Counter it if you will and let’s start a conversation. God of Peace be with you all.
 
It doesn’t mean you ignore it either and lay down pretending to play martyr.
 
Apathy. People don’t care anymore. About moral issues, anything goes, they don’t care for religion, family life etc.
 
jackfitz316 said:
Oh. So then why weren’t the members of the clergy excommunicated?
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American Bishops have always been hesitant / wary of excommunicating Catholic political leaders because of America’s anti-Catholic history.
 
Our hope is not for this world, it is done for. Our hope is in ourselves and others being able, with Gods help, to transcend this world and live in the next. I’m not saying one should give up charity or evangelization in this world because it is inevitably doomed. I’m saying you cannot hope for the culture you can only hope for your own transcendence and help others individually to realize theirs as much as you are able.
 
Not only cant you fix it, you cant delay it. God has set the length of his patience and the path foretold is fixed. Our purpose is to transcend this world for the next not delay the next God purified worlds realization by attempting to delay the demise of this one.
 
I agree except I would say the Roman Church became corrupt long before world war II. I personally see some true Christians in most Christian denominations. Christ said he’d rather us be hot or cold rather than luke warm. I believe true Christians seek Christ in innocence and sincerity and God weighs their hearts individually in all denominations, Catholic and Protestant. The individual is the center of importance not the particular Christian institution you adhere to which gives you your title.
 
Not sure how one pretends to play martyr? I’m not advocating inactivity given the inevitable demise of this world. You don’t ignore it, you transcend it. Your action is not in trying to fix an unfixable spiraling demise but in ensuring your own transcendence of this world and assisting others as much as possible in their own transcendence to the purified world to come. What is wrong with the west? It is founded on sand and the rain is inevitably starting to erode the foundations. How do you fix it? You don’t, you move your house to a stable location and help others to do the same if they will.
 
19th century progressivism.

Lots of things led to that but that is where it really accelerated.
 
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I agree except I would say the Roman Church became corrupt long before world war II. I personally see some true Christians in most Christian denominations. Christ said he’d rather us be hot or cold rather than luke warm. I believe true Christians seek Christ in innocence and sincerity and God weighs their hearts individually in all denominations, Catholic and Protestant. The individual is the center of importance not the particular Christian institution you adhere to which gives you your title.
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True Christians are in every denomination that is certainly true and only God can determine the hearts of people of any religion, or lack of religion. The Roman Church did start way earlier, perhaps with the filioque controversy of the 9th century. Who can forget the Renaissance Papacy? None of these these events/incidents, however, left the Church in a state of spiritual dereliction like we see today. However, I truly do love the Roman Church because it is beautiful in many ways but it’s leadership has become spiritually lax and I believe this is a consequence of WW II and Vatican II.
 
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Not sure how one pretends to play martyr? I’m not advocating inactivity given the inevitable demise of this world. You don’t ignore it, you transcend it. Your action is not in trying to fix an unfixable spiraling demise but in ensuring your own transcendence of this world and assisting others as much as possible in their own transcendence to the purified world to come. What is wrong with the west? It is founded on sand and the rain is inevitably starting to erode the foundations. How do you fix it? You don’t, you move your house to a stable location and help others to do the same if they will.
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When you say ‘move’ do you mean physical or spiritual? We can’t fix it even if we wanted to, like Livy said in the 1st Century AD, we have reached a point in our history where we can no longer endure our vices, nor face up to the remedies with which we can cure them. I am sorry I said that. I suppose I did because so many Christians do that nowadays, while people like me are becoming more frustrated and begrudgingly considering other options but I like your way better.
 
the generations that were brought up catholic weren’t catechised properly, no-one was taught to fear God , sin and hell. It was all wishywashy and still is. Therefore no-one goes to mass, prays for sinners, makes sacrifices anymore, thus faith decreases everywhere-

Just my opinion
 
We’ve got some real problems if Buddhism has made us susceptible to relativism.

I’m not so sure Buddhism is okay with moral relativism and they really don’t do that much outside of their own areas of practice. So they really aren’t even trying that hard to influence the culture at large.

What has happened is that people used to turn to Buddhism because it was the flavor of the month and so they could stick their nose up at Christianity.

But it’s kind of old news now.
 
I would say the decay of the west began with the protestant reformation. The reason i say this because this eventually led to more people rebelling against religious authority. In turn the enlightenment era also did a lot of damage as well. It focused upon man and not God. For example things like secular governements. That led to things like the french revolution. Which persecuted Catholics greatly and forced secularism into the west. Resulting in further deprivaties to rise such as the “sexual revolution” of the 60s.
 
awww, I liked the versions of cats and kittens neocat brought to my mind much better!
 
This has long been my idea as well.

But of course, we all know western decline started with that bite of the apple…
 
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